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Post by aldewitt on Mar 1, 2019 9:53:37 GMT -6
UND is being rocked by more conflict with the Engelstad family saying they will no longer give to the University, they are worried about its' future and Kennedy should be fired. The stress is the UND president being uncomfortable with the finiancial arraignments with Engelstad that are draining its' sports coffers by collecting over 50% of all ticket revenues and handsome management fees. Of course there is trouble. The way things are set up Engelstads will more than recover the cost of the hockey rink at the expense of the athletic department. This is UNDs primary problem. They are starved for revenues and Engelstad is getting them. All their sports outside of hockey are affected by low coaching salaries and thread-bare budgets. This is why there is no womens hockey and they are no longer in the Big Sky. Their FBS schedule is a blessing. USD has a good schedule too. These things are kind of an equalizer when SDSU and NDSU are having troubles with the pay day games. Its definitely welcome money to all of the Dakota school budgets. Some FCS schools schedule more than 1. That hasn't happened to any Dakota schools yet but I wouldn't be surprised to see it. There are open dates on the OOC schedules. www.sayanythingblog.com/entry/plain-talk-engelstad-family-says-theyll-withhold-donations-to-und-calls-for-president-kennedy-to-be-fired/?fbclid=IwAR3zlJ_n-iNaPKUEmly5-u0z0Vf-cXCZmfPLAKIFeLZjx5e7jgsmWZBVpow
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Post by elcoyote on Mar 1, 2019 15:40:47 GMT -6
I think back in the pre MVFC days USD had more than one FBS came scheduled in one or two seasons.
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Post by easmus on Mar 1, 2019 15:51:42 GMT -6
Played Central Florida before the big Minnesota victory.
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Post by gorabbits on Mar 1, 2019 18:15:21 GMT -6
Played Central Florida before the big Minnesota victory. NDSU has also play two FBS games in at least one season, 2007 against Minnesota and Central Michigan.
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Post by aldewitt on Mar 2, 2019 5:55:50 GMT -6
I had forgotten those historic facts. What has changed? I wonder if the fact those were transition teams without playoff eligibility made any difference on the willingness to schedule a couple FBS games. Maybe the fact they were transition teams and seemed like patsies made the difference for the FBS teams? It’s been nearly a decade since those games were played. Why isn’t it being done now especially where the budget is in free fall like UND?
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Post by elcoyote on Mar 2, 2019 10:15:52 GMT -6
I think back then when a team was a non qualifier a team scheduled who was willing to play. Result: one week a team is playing a Wisconsin or some such P5 and the next an NAIA school. If two of the big dogs were willing to play and playoffs aren't an issue, why not show up and collect the check?
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Post by aldewitt on Mar 3, 2019 3:44:46 GMT -6
Scheduling was a nightmare in those days. The Great West helped filling some of those dates. The FBS was generous with paydays too but seemingly no more. Transition teams looked like easy wins. For the most part they were and some still are.
The games do help with the paydays though. Sioux vollys claim the paydays are higher if you move up is true too, but where is the value? An extra $100,000 per OOC game to foot a 5 million dollar annual budget increase to be in the FBS? Plus you play some of your OOC games at home. Unless you fill out with “cheap” FCS teams you too will have to pay the guarantees so there is no gain. More likely a loss if you play more OOC games at home.
Playing in the FBS would be a financial disaster but scheduling these FBS games as FCS teams is profitable. That’s why Im a little surprised that teams bad enough to get the FBS games easily don’t schedule more of them as budgetary enhancers.
Other teams are looking elswhere for these revenues. The Target field games are opening some eyes to new concepts. NDSU will make over a million on their game. I have no idea what St Thomas made when they used it but lt must have been a ton.
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Post by yoteforever on Mar 3, 2019 7:37:13 GMT -6
Scheduling was a nightmare in those days. The Great West helped filling some of those dates. The FBS was generous with paydays too but seemingly no more. Transition teams looked like easy wins. For the most part they were and some still are. The games do help with the paydays though. Sioux vollys claim the paydays are higher if you move up is true too, but where is the value? An extra $100,000 per OOC game to foot a 5 million dollar annual budget increase to be in the FBS? Plus you play some of your OOC games at home. Unless you fill out with “cheap” FCS teams you too will have to pay the guarantees so there is no gain. More likely a loss if you play more OOC games at home. Playing in the FBS would be a financial disaster but scheduling these FBS games as FCS teams is profitable. That’s why Im a little surprised that teams bad enough to get the FBS games easily don’t schedule more of them as budgetary enhancers. Other teams are looking elswhere for these revenues. The Target field games are opening some eyes to new concepts. NDSU will make over a million on their game. I have no idea what St Thomas made when they used it but lt must have been a ton. Why do you think NDSU is going to net over $1M with their game in Minneapolis? What do you base that on? I have a hard time believing these venues would let the $$$ escape their grip. I do know a little more about the St. Thomas game and it was not a financial windfall. What it was was a marketing coup to open up to their alumni in an attempt to promote their program.
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Post by aldewitt on Mar 3, 2019 7:41:56 GMT -6
NDSU gets the gate which is pushing $700,000. Target Field pays the guarantee to Butler. NDSU also has media advertisements, sponsorships and broadcast rights. It’s a big deal money wise.
It also has all the other benefits St. Thomas enjoyed.
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Post by yoteforever on Mar 3, 2019 11:47:39 GMT -6
NDSU gets the gate which is pushing $700,000. Target Field pays the guarantee to Butler. NDSU also has media advertisements, sponsorships and broadcast rights. It’s a big deal money wise. It also has all the other benefits St. Thomas enjoyed. I assume you have inside knowledge of this so if you’re correct that’s certainly a win/win for NDSU. I don’t understand why Target Field would give up revenue and pay the other teams guaranty. To me it makes zero sense. To get the field ready would be a big expense and the number of personal required to run gameday is big. I think there’s more to it then just having the Bizun show up, but then again, maybe not.
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Post by aldewitt on Mar 4, 2019 3:42:41 GMT -6
That was information posted at the time the game was announced. The thread at BV is worth revue. There may be revenues directed at set-up/take down for the field but basically that’s the deal. It looks like a slam dunk now but there was a lot of resistance to the idea from the Bison fans. All seem comfortable with it now that the game is basically sold out.
Target May get the suite rental money but the tickets needed to get into the suite are NDSUs. Suites are all sold out. All stadium concessions and suite catering belongs to Target field. The beers will probably be $8. Game production expenses are all in the rent paid by concessionaires as reflected by their prices.
Target has offered the field to UND as well. Their dates were November. I don’t Know if they have accepted. I’m also not sure if anyone else has been offered the stadium. A game there could easily flop but NDSU has a huge population of Alumni there and the Bison crowds at the Gopher games were huge.
I think in some ways this game is a trolling on the Gophers by NDSU. It will be an embarrassing day for them if they are in town too. Crowd comparisons are inevitable either way.
This could be a regular game for the Bison and morph into other stadiums in other cities. It’s an interesting idea and a way for NDSU to virtually increase stadium size.
According to Bison Sports Information these games may even show up in other cities. These are the very early days of this concept although smaller FBS programs like Boise State have been using it for a while.
I have no inside information but after following this situation thats my understanding.
Just like FBS games it’s a source of new and much needed revenues. FCS programs that can get the FBS schools on their schedule are luckey and have an easier time of it.
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Post by aldewitt on Mar 6, 2019 2:39:08 GMT -6
We need Augi.
WIU is laying off 6% of its workforce including tenured faculty. 132 people. Enrollment has fallen 23% since 2015 to a little over 8,000.
the state of Ill is bankrupt and doesn’t pay bills. SIU is another university not in great shape. It may live to regret its stadium investment if they don’t already. That investment was going to revitalize a program Jerry Kill had turned around. When we all joined the MVFC they were a top program.
i wonder if a bankrupt campus could be sold?
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Post by easmus on Mar 6, 2019 15:49:47 GMT -6
Not sure the MVFC needs Augie. Losing 1 or 2 teams really wouldn’t hurt scheduling. Would allow for a true round robin with UND coming in 2020. But certainly wonder how WIU or SIU to a lesser degree will stay D1.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 6, 2019 19:03:27 GMT -6
Augustana to the MVFC is an absolute pipe dream. Even if the conference needed a team they would be nowhere on the list of potential invites. I'm not sure Augustana would even accept if offered. No way they have the money to compete with the western MVFC teams.
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Post by elcoyote on Mar 6, 2019 20:16:57 GMT -6
I worry about the financial viability of Southern and Western as they seem to be hemorrhaging money, students and personel, but I'd sure hate to see them go, especially WIU. I would, however, like an MVFC where everyone played every other member every season though. The school I wouldn't mind seeing being kicked to the curb would be Youngstown. They're so far out of our footprint and are the only school in neither the MVC nor Summit. I don't know if they'd mind all that much either.
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