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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Apr 3, 2019 18:46:31 GMT -6
It makes sense for athletes at schools in transition to place their name in the portal, as they are always able to withdraw from the portal if the new coach arrives and it's a good fit. They can measure the interest from other schools until the new coach is named/arrives. It's rare that they return rather than transferring if they have submitted their name.
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Post by yotefan on Apr 3, 2019 20:05:28 GMT -6
Yotefan you must be a proud Pierre governor if you had mr mick for Latin. Bingo lynn. Go Govs! Always fun watching Governors become Coyotes. It is also pretty fun watching Coyotes become Governors too. =)
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Post by coyote70 on Apr 3, 2019 21:20:49 GMT -6
I'll second that. Well stated, yotefan.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 4, 2019 8:52:35 GMT -6
KWSN had a very interesting guy on their show yesterday. His name is Greg Buxton, and he is a retired talent scout for basketball. Here is the link to the podcast.
While the focus of the conversation was about the Fred Hoiberg hire at Nebraska, and how it has probably been in the works for weeks (with some shady recruiting going on in preparation), This guy made some very insightful general observations about AAU and transfer culture in American basketball today: (Greg section starts @ 14:30) "John, I've been involved in a lot of coaching searches over 30 years. I was involved with Nebraska when they hired Barry Collier (2000). I wanted them to hire a young upstart guy, they said 'we gotta keep it under budget'. I said: I've got the best young coach in the country, Gregg Marshall. Well, they didn't take my advice. They hired Barry Collier...." Gaskins: Were you an NBA or College scout for years?Buxton: College. I specialized in evaluating high school talent, projecting those kids into college, and of course, when Kevin Garnett broke on the scene, that changed everything. I was fortunate enough to discover him, and he changed the drafting and scouting structure of the entire NBA. Him being the first player to go pro straight out of high school in over 20 years since Bill Willoughby. [...] more in next post...
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 4, 2019 9:32:55 GMT -6
Gaskins: So you're at the National Coaches Convention, which is all part of the Final Four. So much wheeling and dealing with regard to coaches trying to get jobs, and doing interviews.... With the shoe scandal, and how much rampant cheating goes on, ... give us an idea. Because you're there as an advocate to try and stop this..... take us behind the curtain. How rampant is cheating, and what can be done about it?
Buxton: That sh!t's gone on forever, John, and it's only escalated. If you're watching a college basketball game and you think you're watching amateur sports, you're wrong.
I find it very ironic when you come to a national gathering of the NABC, and you attend the "issue summits" where there's a constant outcry for Mark Emmert and the NCAA people to "clean up our game". This is a great game. I love this game, and that's why I do what I do. We have GOT to take back our game from shoe prostitutes....
Basketball is supposed to be about teamwork, movement, building a program, providing great enjoyment to people all over this world. It's a world-wide game that we have. To see our game sold-out...
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 4, 2019 9:33:54 GMT -6
It's all about "moving units" now, John. That's all it's about. When you've seen what's happened at the AAU level, with all of these shoe deals,... kids going to literally THREE different High Schools, and three different colleges? Look at the (transfer) portal! It's ridiculous.
Kids aren't being coached. The teams from the 70's: Coach Knight, Kent Benson, Scott May teams would wax the floor with these teams today. As would the Jordan/ Worthy/ Perkins teams. It's because kids are not being coached. They don't WANT to be coached anymore, John. Because as soon as someone tells them something that they don't want to hear, they just want to pack up their bag and move on to the next place.
And when you have players telling you 'well It's not a Nike school' or 'I'm an Adidas guy', it's preposterous! Our players should be going to get an education, and be coached, and develop. That's what this game was invented for, and it's just sickening what's happened to it. It's amazing John. I love watching coaches stand in front of podiums and talk to people about: 'well, we need to clean up our game', and in the meantime, down in the hospitality suite, their agent's down there trying to get another half-million out of a shoe company.
I tell coaches all the time: 'If you want to stop it, and you want to change it, then why don't you NOT take your shoe check this year?'
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 4, 2019 9:37:03 GMT -6
It's a little bit of a rant, but he's not wrong. I wonder if there are any shoe companies getting in DJJ's ear right now? Or Matthew Mors? Most of the corruption is happening at the P-5 schools, but it trickles down to us anyway, I think.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 4, 2019 9:44:57 GMT -6
So if the shoe companies are funneling money to players then there is no reason for the colleges to have to pay the players. Jay Bilas and the rest can get off their "we need to pay the players" rant.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 4, 2019 10:55:20 GMT -6
So if the shoe companies are funneling money to players then there is no reason for the colleges to have to pay the players. Jay Bilas and the rest can get off their "we need to pay the players" rant. Actually it's quite the opposite. Those few cases where bribes were made to elite players to go to elite schools is only a very small fraction of the money being exchanged between shoe companies and universities/coaches. Most players never see anything outside of their scholarship. The shoe companies just do a good job of sorting and herding the best prospects to schools. Here's a lengthy article that explains it fairly well: www.npr.org/2018/10/25/660499130/corruption-scandal-and-the-multi-billion-dollar-business-of-college-basketball
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 4, 2019 11:05:12 GMT -6
From that article:
Obviously, now many schools (USD included) will pay cost of attendance too, so that helps. But it is still dwarfed by the amount of money flowing through the system between the shoe contracts, coaches, AAU coaches, scouts, handlers, agents, etc. It's all pretty shady.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 10, 2019 12:53:59 GMT -6
I'm glad he ended up back home, but it must be a bummer that he went from being committed to the University of San Fransisco (WCC), to USD, and now will be at a Community College. I guess there is a strategy where JC recruits don't have to sit out a year, so maybe it will end up being a smart move.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 10, 2019 17:40:46 GMT -6
Must have been a bit of a culture shock? The transition to college is hard enough on its own for some, then add on a move from San Francisco to South Dakota. Hope he can find a good fit.
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Post by 605hoops on Apr 11, 2019 15:31:35 GMT -6
Noah Friedel to SDSU released from Wright St.
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Post by gorabbits on Apr 11, 2019 17:39:49 GMT -6
Good day for the Jacks to pick up Noah Friedel. Also their two juco transfers were named NJCAA all Americans today and one selected as juco player of the year. And Jenkins Jr. says he is still considering returning to SDSU. But he is getting lots of interest elsewhere so I am guessing he will pull a pull a Mooney..
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 12, 2019 5:35:06 GMT -6
Good day for the Jacks to pick up Noah Friedel. Also their two juco transfers were named NJCAA all Americans today and one selected as juco player of the year. And Jenkins Jr. says he is still considering returning to SDSU. But he is getting lots of interest elsewhere so I am guessing he will pull a pull a Mooney.. If he is able to pull a Mooney then we should all applaud his decision, since that involves an appearance in the national championship. The odds are against it, though.
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