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Post by elcoyote on Nov 29, 2019 23:01:37 GMT -6
There is a current ESPN article about how Notre Dame WBB is trending to miss the NCAA tournament. They appear to be currently struggling, but still a solid win for SDSU. The goal is always to win the next game on the schedule. Now time to go 1-0 against Northern Illinois tomorrow. Go get them Yotes!! Sometimes it seems to me that for a Power 5 team to make the NCAAs all they have to do is go .500 in conference and win a conference tourney game. Completely different mindset from that of us peons.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 30, 2019 11:30:39 GMT -6
Maybe both State and U WBB teams are good and deserve more respect on a national level?
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Post by wrj on Nov 30, 2019 11:46:12 GMT -6
Maybe both State and U WBB teams are good and deserve more respect on a national level? I have to agree.
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Post by usdcoyote on Nov 30, 2019 14:38:49 GMT -6
Maybe both State and U WBB teams are good and deserve more respect on a national level? I agree with this. Both teams are really good again this year. State lost a heartbreaker today against a very good Florida gulf coast team. State led by 5 with 30 seconds left. FGCU hit a shot with 6 seconds to win by 1. Should be similar to last year in terms of the conference race.
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Post by gopheryote on Dec 12, 2019 6:59:16 GMT -6
I saw that SDSU WBB struggled at home against a bad Chattanooga team, but pulled away late to get to 6-4. While them being an average team can be good for USD's chances of running wild through the conference, it creates a problem if SDSU's RPI is below 50, since it takes away 2 or 3 chances for Quadrant 1 wins. WN predicts them to finish 20-9 with an RPI of 79 (beating Central Mich, losing to Marquette & Green Bay before SL). Maybe if they win those 3 their RPI will steer towards Top 50? All the sudden I'm worried that SDSU isn't winning?!?!? (until conference play starts, then it doesn't affect USD anymore)
Predicted RPI's for SL teams is pretty bleak, as usual, but for a team that is looking for an at-large resume and a good seed, having only 3 other teams with an RPI under 200 is a killer.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 12, 2019 8:30:19 GMT -6
I saw that SDSU struggled at home against a bad Chattanooga team, but pulled away late to get to 6-4. While them being an average team can be good for USD's chances of running wild through the conference, it creates a problem if SDSU's RPI is below 50, since it takes away 2 or 3 chances for Quadrant 1 wins. WN predicts them to finish 20-9 with an RPI of 79 (beating Central Mich, losing to Marquette & Green Bay before SL). Maybe if they win those 3 their RPI will steer towards Top 50? All the sudden I'm worried that SDSU isn't winning?!?!? (until conference play starts, then it doesn't affect USD anymore)
Predicted RPI's for SL teams is pretty bleak, as usual, but for a team that is looking for an at-large resume and a good seed, having only 3 other teams with an RPI under 200 is a killer.
I'd just clarify we are talking about WBB, since I stupidly combined M & W Summit BB into one thread (probably too late to separate?) I'm not too worried about RPI, since literally 3/4 of the formula is just the W/L of the teams you play and the teams they play. Only 1/4 is your own W/L record. State outdid themselves again with a brutal schedule, so that helps their own RPI weather they win or lose those games. Sure, it would be better if they had a better W/L themselves, but I don't think it will be enough to deny us an at large this year. We created and took advantage of enough Q1 wins already, IMHO. OTOH, 1/2 of the formula is just our direct opponent's W/L, so yeah, the Jacks affect that for us a good deal. (might play them 3X) Would definitely behoove us if they win one or three of those tough games left on their schedule. Take a deep breath and root for the Jacks for a few more weeks. So I guess I didn't really answer the question. Worry but don't worry. Once we enter conference play it won't matter one iota what the other teams are doing (as it relates to RPI), since we all play each-other round-robin style. We just have to focus on us at that point, and avoid upsets. The thing that worries me more is if the Jacks have things rolling come tourney time. It would be quite cathartic to have all of the big three sports "get over the hump" on the Jacks in the same season, wouldn't it?
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Post by usdcoyote on Dec 12, 2019 8:31:52 GMT -6
I saw that SDSU struggled at home against a bad Chattanooga team, but pulled away late to get to 6-4. While them being an average team can be good for USD's chances of running wild through the conference, it creates a problem if SDSU's RPI is below 50, since it takes away 2 or 3 chances for Quadrant 1 wins. WN predicts them to finish 20-9 with an RPI of 79 (beating Central Mich, losing to Marquette & Green Bay before SL). Maybe if they win those 3 their RPI will steer towards Top 50? All the sudden I'm worried that SDSU isn't winning?!?!? (until conference play starts, then it doesn't affect USD anymore)
Predicted RPI's for SL teams is pretty bleak, as usual, but for a team that is looking for an at-large resume and a good seed, having only 3 other teams with an RPI under 200 is a killer.
I do agree that it would help USD to see SDSU's RPI be as high as possible. I don't agree that they are just an average team. Their losses are at #3 Oregon, at Creighton, at Drake, and with no Larson they blew a 5 point lead with 30 seconds to go to lose by one to a really good Florida Gulf Coast team. State beat #21 South Florida and Notre Dame--who is down this year but has beaten some ranked teams themselves. So State might not be as good as last year, but our games with them will certainly be no sure thing, especially in Brookings and at the SLT. Thankfully we won a bunch of really close games that could have gone either way, otherwise our record would be looking much different right now. With State's RPI not being what it used to be I do worry what that could do to us if they did happen to knock us off in the SLT. Being they had a good RPI last year it wasn't such a damaging blow to us to lose to them twice. I'm hoping we've built up enough of a preconference resume that we could sustain an upset in the SLT if that were to happen. (I say this as of Dec. 12 and how I expect the season to go from here on out, obviously a lot can change in between now and the SLT).
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Post by gopheryote on Dec 12, 2019 12:11:37 GMT -6
I should have clarified - average in that their predicted RPI is very average. We will get very little credit for beating them (#20 should beat #80), and a loss to them if they get it rolling by the end of the year will be viewed poorly for at-large (again, #20 has no business losing to #80). And the are - at least at this moment - very average compared to any team they have put on the court the last what, 7 or 8 years? But can be dangerous in SLT, which was my concern.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 12, 2019 12:37:26 GMT -6
Well, THIS is curious:
Yikes! Wisconsin is 6-3, but all three losses were to the only P-5 schools on their schedule. We don't need Wisconsin looking for a new head coach....
The Bison could be turning a corner, too.
Also, the graphic says "Braves" instead of "Badgers" curious, indeed.
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Post by elcoyote on Dec 12, 2019 15:22:20 GMT -6
Well, THIS is curious: Yikes! Wisconsin is 6-3, but all three losses were to the only P-5 schools on their schedule. We don't need Wisconsin looking for a new head coach....The Bison could be turning a corner, too. Also, the graphic says "Braves" instead of "Badgers" curious, indeed. Don't even go there.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 12, 2019 15:47:17 GMT -6
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Post by hoopsmom on Dec 13, 2019 7:42:54 GMT -6
Wisconsin is dealing with injuries of a few of their players. Courtney Fredrickson should have been back at the start of the y ear, but has been delayed. Carmen Backes sat out all last year with an injury, and it looks like she may sit out again this year. As a BIG team, they can recruit very good players, but it does’t help when those players can’t get on the court.
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Post by yote18 on Dec 16, 2019 14:50:05 GMT -6
With the non con coming to a close what’s everyone’s opinions on the women’s side? This could be a year where SDSU loses a game or two to other schools in the league besides us I think. I do have one gripe about other league schools, except SDSU, that they could start pulling their weight as well in terms of playing the RPI game. I know it’s not always easy but they have two excellent role models in USD and SDSU to help guide them. Because as of now we only have 3 in the top 200. With USD in top 20, SDSU at high 80’s and ND at 120 with one more week to go until regular season.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 16, 2019 17:16:21 GMT -6
With the non con coming to a close what’s everyone’s opinions on the women’s side? This could be a year where SDSU loses a game or two to other schools in the league besides us I think. I do have one gripe about other league schools, except SDSU, that they could start pulling their weight as well in terms of playing the RPI game. I know it’s not always easy but they have two excellent role models in USD and SDSU to help guide them. Because as of now we only have 3 in the top 200. With USD in top 20, SDSU at high 80’s and ND at 120 with one more week to go until regular season. Could be a few surprises, once the season gets started. I haven't been able to follow it closely yet. SDSU will be good, but they have a number of question marks that are typically ironed out for them by now. Arc shooting hasn't been special. Their defense is good, especially given the level of competition. By far the most head-scratching stat is their awful free-throw shooting. Worst in the league right now. That could be a factor. Also, Selland has missed some recent games due to some kind of nagging foot issue (just like last year). I feel bad for her, as this would likely have been a real breakout year for her offensively. Riley C-J's assist-Turnover stats look fantastic again this year, so they have that going for them. As of now, I like our chances. Denver looks good, and Madison Anderson is in the top-10 for double-doubles. They will probably be a conference race factor. Potentially another upset risk. I could see them beating us, but losing to a team or two they shouldn't again, just like last year. Live by the 3, die by the 3. Not someone I'd like to meet in the tournament, though. ORU and WIU have potential, but I'm disappointed so far. They should be teams that are pulling upsets in the non-con. North Dakota has been surprisingly good in the non-con. I think their schedule is weak, but just winning games can help with RPI, too. I don't think much of Brewster as a coach, so I figured they would struggle without Klabo. I could be wrong. Omaha should be better than they were before, ... which isn't saying much. They have added a lot of size, and could be a factor later in the season if the newer players develop. Murdie is good. NDSU and Ft Wayne.... no. Jordy will bring in some talent, and then we will see what he is trying to do in year 2, I think.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 16, 2019 17:22:19 GMT -6
As far as scheduling for RPI, Here are the Women's Summit League's records vs Quadrant-1 teams:
3-1 USD 0-4 SDSU 0-3 WIU 0-3 Omaha 0-2 NDSU 0-1 UND 0-1 Denver 0-1 ORU 0-0 PFW
So it looks like WIU and Omaha have at least tried to schedule some tough teams. I'd maybe put UND, ORU and Denver in the "weaker schedule" group. Hard to fault Fort Wayne.
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