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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 20, 2020 8:06:55 GMT -6
Last night guarantees that the Coyotes will finish below the Jacks. If this season isn't the season that the Coyotes finish ahead of the Jacks I don't see it happening any time soon. Lee is really going to have his work cut out for him when he has to use his own recruits in critical roles on the team. Is the D going to step it up next year. It is going to have to with all the offense that will be graduating.
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Post by usdcoyote on Feb 20, 2020 10:24:57 GMT -6
Last night guarantees that the Coyotes will finish below the Jacks. If this season isn't the season that the Coyotes finish ahead of the Jacks I don't see it happening any time soon. Lee is really going to have his work cut out for him when he has to use his own recruits in critical roles on the team. Is the D going to step it up next year. It is going to have to with all the offense that will be graduating. I am very concerned what this is going to look like when Lee is forced to rely heavily on his own recruits. While I am excited about our 3 redshirts, I don't know if I have seen anything that gets me too excited about all the foreign players we have added the last couple of years. It doubles the frustration knowing that a local kid, Freidel, would have liked to come here and we asked him to walk on. Meanwhile he might end up being the freshman of the year starting on a team that will finish ahead of us in the conference. If that isn't the ultimate kick in the nuts then I don't know what is.
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Post by easmus on Feb 20, 2020 11:26:46 GMT -6
There were so many things wrong with this game! Players - Everyone of the starters but Peterson seemed to have an off game. Hagedorn and Umude played poor games. Cody Kelley had a nice couple of minutes, but otherwise was non-existent. Simpson was not even enough of a factor to even be memorable. Officiating - Agree with all the other posters. It was so bad and inconsistent that neither team could figure how to to play. And at the end, the short referee took the game away from the players. He seemed to make every call at the end of the game. And what do you know, they all went against the Coyotes. Coaching - This is the biggest one for me! I may be wrong, but I think Lee it a major part of this teams struggles. He has players that won the conference two years ago and now they struggle. Some of that is on the players, but his coaching is causing the team problems. Examples - Game Management - The Coyotes trailed in the first half and subbed out the starters and subbed in Kamateros, Chisom and some others and they went on a small run to get the Coyotes back into the game. He immediately subbed them out and they lost the momentum. And then Kamateros never played again. In total, 3 reserved played 30 minutes. In a game where the starters we off and not playing well. I am really worried about next year, if we have no bench this year. Demeanor - Lee is doing his team no favors with his constant berating of the refs. I watched him the whole game and from before the tip off it seemed he was riding them. He does this every game. I can't help but think that all the calls that went against the Coyotes in the last few minutes weren't in some part due to his treatment of the refs. We can all think the refs don't officiate that way, but they are never giving the Coyotes the benefit of the doubt. Post game interview - Calling out players for playing poorly....not cool. After almost 2 years, I see nothing that leads me to think that Lee is going to do anything to change or improve the team. I was lukewarm when he was hired. And I am even more convinced that we could have and should have done better. Sorry for the rant. I am not a frequent poster, but I am a frequent reader of this board and appreciate all the insight it gives. I had very high hopes for this year with the players we have. But instead we are an under performing and poorly coached team. I couldn’t agree more about Lee’s demeanor and behavior on sidelines towards refs. I got a kick out of it when he got ejected at ORU last year, because it felt completely unwarranted. BUT he drives me insane with his constant yelling “foul” all the time. If it annoys me it has to get on the refs nerves. His body language is not great either. He always seems frustrated by what he is watching. You are the coach, how can they be confused out there?
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Post by easmus on Feb 20, 2020 11:27:50 GMT -6
Last night guarantees that the Coyotes will finish below the Jacks. If this season isn't the season that the Coyotes finish ahead of the Jacks I don't see it happening any time soon. Lee is really going to have his work cut out for him when he has to use his own recruits in critical roles on the team. Is the D going to step it up next year. It is going to have to with all the offense that will be graduating. I am very concerned what this is going to look like when Lee is forced to rely heavily on his own recruits. While I am excited about our 3 redshirts, I don't know if I have seen anything that gets me too excited about all the foreign players we have added the last couple of years. It doubles the frustration knowing that a local kid, Freidel, would have liked to come here and we asked him to walk on. Meanwhile he might end up being the freshman of the year starting on a team that will finish ahead of us in the conference. If that isn't the ultimate kick in the nuts then I don't know what is. I guess the question becomes whether you wanted to give AJ’s scholarship to Noah? It could’ve come down to that.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 20, 2020 11:33:06 GMT -6
I am very concerned what this is going to look like when Lee is forced to rely heavily on his own recruits. While I am excited about our 3 redshirts, I don't know if I have seen anything that gets me too excited about all the foreign players we have added the last couple of years. It doubles the frustration knowing that a local kid, Freidel, would have liked to come here and we asked him to walk on. Meanwhile he might end up being the freshman of the year starting on a team that will finish ahead of us in the conference. If that isn't the ultimate kick in the nuts then I don't know what is. I guess the question becomes whether you wanted to give AJ’s scholarship to Noah? It could’ve come down to that. Yeah, the timing of Noah's decommitment from Wright state just didn't seem to work well for us, and worked perfectly for the Jacks. Had it happened a little earlier, maybe we don't offer Koster and take both AJ AND Freidel. OTOH, we still would have had to offer the grey-shirt that both Koster and Plitzuweit took. I'm not sure Freidel was willing to do that. Our senior class was just too big this year.
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Post by yote18 on Feb 20, 2020 11:37:29 GMT -6
I couldn’t agree more about Lee’s demeanor and behavior on sidelines towards refs. I got a kick out of it when he got ejected at ORU last year, because it felt completely unwarranted. BUT he drives me insane with his constant yelling “foul” all the time. If it annoys me it has to get on the refs nerves. His body language is not great either. He always seems frustrated by what he is watching. You are the coach, how can they be confused out there? He's not the only one.
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Post by onthefarm on Feb 20, 2020 12:56:01 GMT -6
I guess the question becomes whether you wanted to give AJ’s scholarship to Noah? It could’ve come down to that. Yeah, the timing of Noah's decommitment from Wright state just didn't seem to work well for us, and worked perfectly for the Jacks. Had it happened a little earlier, maybe we don't offer Koster and take both AJ AND Freidel. OTOH, we still would have had to offer the grey-shirt that both Koster and Plitzuweit took. I'm not sure Freidel was willing to do that. Our senior class was just too big this year. I think you are right that at the time of the de-commit there were only the grey-shirt spots available, but that still falls on the staff for being stuck in that spot and not offering him originally. Other posts have said it was well known he wanted to stay close to home and wanted to wear red. Why wasn't there any interest then? I'm still cautiously optimistic about next year with the three redshirts as I've heard promising things. It's still going to sting knowing Friedel could have been a part of it as well. A nucleus of four good young players, and two local kids at that, could've been a real shot in the arm for the program. Given the potential consequences of last night's game, I was hoping for a much better environment than we had.
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Post by captaincoyote on Feb 20, 2020 13:16:33 GMT -6
Do I recall correctly that this is Todd's first head coaching job after many years of coaching? That raised a red flag for me at the time of his hiring and is again. He just doesn't seem to have the personality to build and maintain a positive- minded culture, and may be ruining that type of culture that Coach Smith had masterfully developed. The players need to feed off of their coach's confidence and feel like he is paying more attention to them than the refs.
I wonder what Herbster thinks of him.
So far I'd say he is not meeting expectations considering all the advantages he has had to work with this season. Next year will be very telling.
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Post by GoYotes on Feb 20, 2020 13:51:00 GMT -6
From the USD website "Prior to his time at Grand Canyon, Lee compiled a 154-81 record and competed in five-consecutive NCAA tournaments in eight seasons as the head coach at Kentucky Wesleyan. Highlighting his run was a trip to the Sweet 16 in 2012, a No. 1 national ranking, ending the season ranked in the top-25 on four occasions and 14-0 starts in consecutive seasons. Over his final six seasons, the Panthers averaged 22 wins and had a .736 win percentage (134-48)."
I recall some activity on Twitter of Todd's former players showing up at various USD games and commenting on what a positive influence Todd was on their live.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 20, 2020 14:08:16 GMT -6
I think you are right that at the time of the de-commit there were only the grey-shirt spots available, but that still falls on the staff for being stuck in that spot and not offering him originally. Other posts have said it was well known he wanted to stay close to home and wanted to wear red. Why wasn't there any interest then? I'm still cautiously optimistic about next year with the three redshirts as I've heard promising things. It's still going to sting knowing Friedel could have been a part of it as well. A nucleus of four good young players, and two local kids at that, could've been a real shot in the arm for the program. Given the potential consequences of last night's game, I was hoping for a much better environment than we had. Good point. And nice first post.
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Post by usdcoyote on Feb 20, 2020 14:20:53 GMT -6
From the USD website " Prior to his time at Grand Canyon, Lee compiled a 154-81 record and competed in five-consecutive NCAA tournaments in eight seasons as the head coach at Kentucky Wesleyan. Highlighting his run was a trip to the Sweet 16 in 2012, a No. 1 national ranking, ending the season ranked in the top-25 on four occasions and 14-0 starts in consecutive seasons. Over his final six seasons, the Panthers averaged 22 wins and had a .736 win percentage (134-48)."Something to keep in mind when considering Lee's record at Kentucky Wesleyan. That's a program that has won more national titles (8) than any DII team in America and he won one conference title and went to No Elite 8's. The guy who came after him even won 2 conference titles, and I think he was fired. One could argue that Lee was the least successful head coach in the history of Kentucky Wes.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 20, 2020 14:46:56 GMT -6
From the USD website " Prior to his time at Grand Canyon, Lee compiled a 154-81 record and competed in five-consecutive NCAA tournaments in eight seasons as the head coach at Kentucky Wesleyan. Highlighting his run was a trip to the Sweet 16 in 2012, a No. 1 national ranking, ending the season ranked in the top-25 on four occasions and 14-0 starts in consecutive seasons. Over his final six seasons, the Panthers averaged 22 wins and had a .736 win percentage (134-48)."Something to keep in mind when considering Lee's record at Kentucky Wesleyan. That's a program that has won more national titles (8) than any DII team in America and he won one conference title and went to No Elite 8's. The guy who came after him even won 2 conference titles, and I think he was fired. One could argue that Lee was the least successful head coach in the history of Kentucky Wes. Gotta take it in the context of the situation, though. They had just been sanctioned by the NCAA for "lack of institutional control" just prior to Lee being hired. Lots of eligibility/recruiting violations. It's why the coach before him who won a few national titles left to take an NAIA job. He inherited only a couple of players for his first team. Had to completely start from scratch. Sure, the school's reputation might have helped a little in recruiting, but it's not like he was handed a winner.
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Post by yotealum86 on Feb 20, 2020 14:50:00 GMT -6
Something to keep in mind when considering Lee's record at Kentucky Wesleyan. That's a program that has won more national titles (8) than any DII team in America and he won one conference title and went to No Elite 8's. The guy who came after him even won 2 conference titles, and I think he was fired. One could argue that Lee was the least successful head coach in the history of Kentucky Wes. Gotta take it in the context of the situation, though. They had just been sanctioned by the NCAA for "lack of institutional control" just prior to Lee being hired. Lots of eligibility/recruiting violations. It's why the coach before him who won a few national titles left to take an NAIA job. He inherited only a couple of players for his first team. Had to completely start from scratch. Sure, the school's reputation might have helped a little in recruiting, but it's not like he was handed a winner. I would say his head coaching resume is underwhelming: Head coaching record Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason Kentucky Wesleyan (GLVC) (2005–2013) 2005–06 Kentucky Wesleyan 7–19 4–15 12th 2006–07 Kentucky Wesleyan 13–14 6–13 12th NCAA Div. II First Round 2007–08 Kentucky Wesleyan 24–8 14–5 3rd NCAA Div. II First Round 2008–09 Kentucky Wesleyan 19–9 11–7 5th NCAA Div. II First Round 2009–10 Kentucky Wesleyan 29–5 16–2 1st NCAA Div. II First Round 2010–11 Kentucky Wesleyan 19–10 10–8 5th NCAA Div. II First Round 2011–12 Kentucky Wesleyan 23–8 12–6 6th NCAA Div. II Regional Final 2012–13 Kentucky Wesleyan 20–8 11–7 7th Kentucky Wesleyan: 154–81 (.655) 84–63 (.571) South Dakota Coyotes (Summit League) (2018–present) 2018–19 South Dakota 13–17 7–9 T–5th 2019–20 South Dakota 19-9 9-4 South Dakota: 32–26 (.552) 16–13 (.552) Total: 186–107 (.635) 3 good years...a bunch of middling years...hovering around a .600 record. I went back and read some of my posts when he was hired....I admit I was excited. I am not nearly as excited now.
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Post by fightsd on Feb 20, 2020 15:26:34 GMT -6
How did this thread turn into a Todd Lee lynch mob? So we lost 2 games in a row. We're still in position to make a run at the SLT.
We're 2 weeks away from the tournament and looking at a high seed. We beat the current 1 seed handily and should have beat the 2 both times we played them.
I would say Todd has done a great job this season. 19 wins so far. At what point do you blame the losses on the players that don't show up?
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 20, 2020 15:29:34 GMT -6
Gotta take it in the context of the situation, though. They had just been sanctioned by the NCAA for "lack of institutional control" just prior to Lee being hired. Lots of eligibility/recruiting violations. It's why the coach before him who won a few national titles left to take an NAIA job. He inherited only a couple of players for his first team. Had to completely start from scratch. Sure, the school's reputation might have helped a little in recruiting, but it's not like he was handed a winner. I would say his head coaching resume is underwhelming: Head coaching record Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason Kentucky Wesleyan (GLVC) (2005–2013)2005–06 Kentucky Wesleyan _7–19 __4–15 12th 2006–07 Kentucky Wesleyan 13–14 __6–13 12th NCAA Div. II First Round **2007–08 Kentucky Wesleyan 24–8 __14–5 3rd NCAA Div. II First Round **2008–09 Kentucky Wesleyan 19–9 __11–7 5th NCAA Div. II First Round **2009–10 Kentucky Wesleyan 29–5 __16–2 1st NCAA Div. II First Round 2010–11 Kentucky Wesleyan 19–10 _10–8 5th NCAA Div. II First Round 2011–12 Kentucky Wesleyan 23–8 __12–6 6th NCAA Div. II Regional Final 2012–13 Kentucky Wesleyan 20–8 __11–7 7th Kentucky Wesleyan: 154–81 (.655) 84–63 (.571) South Dakota Coyotes (Summit League) (2018–present)2018–19 South Dakota 13–17 7–9 T–5th 2019–20 South Dakota 19-9 _9-4 South Dakota: 32–26 (.552) 16–13 (.552) Total: 186–107 (.635) ** On NCAA probation for prior administration's infractionsFair points. Nice work. I just think we shouldn't forget the bad situation he was placed in for the first four years of his tenure there. Nothing was handed to him. He didn't set the world on fire, but he clearly righted the ship. We all had higher expectations for this season, but we also knew there was parity in the conference, and no "dominant" teams. I think this team has done a great job to get into a favorable seed in the SLT. Anything can and will happen there. I mean, we were picked #2 preseason, and we are #3 right now, so I'm not sure why everyone is so down. They had a bad game.
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