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Post by usdcoyote on Mar 7, 2020 23:25:12 GMT -6
Very Happy to see the Jack's lose but I can't help but leave pissed every time I see Freidel play. It's inexcusable that he is not a yote. I know I'm beating a dead horse here but I'm extra fired up after tonight. We almost saw the top 2 seeds lose tonight. Felt ndsu got some calls down the stretch to bail them out. If we were to make the finals I don't know if I rather play ndsu or oral.
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Post by teamsd on Mar 7, 2020 23:31:47 GMT -6
Easy now, folks. Let’s beat UND first.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 7, 2020 23:50:02 GMT -6
well lets look at it this way. since the jacks are out from a fan perspective this just became the Coyote invitational. the yotes need to pounce now because if not it may be a handful of years before this team is good enough again to win this tournament.
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Post by captaincoyote on Mar 8, 2020 2:06:51 GMT -6
I'm torn. Our path just got easier (still need to beat UND), but I guess we'll need to wait for another year to knock out the jacks, which I think we would be very capable of accomplishing.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 8, 2020 5:27:01 GMT -6
Why is it that so many people just simply want to knock off the Jacks. The goal of this tourney is not to beat the Jacks but instead get to the NCAA tourney and they best way to accomplish that is to not have to go through SDSU. Even if they were to beat the Jacks they would still have to win another game and a Jacks game would be full or emotion and empty the tank much more than a game again Fort Wayne would. Coyote fans just need to get the Jacks out of their head. I would say now that the Yotes have about a 50/50 chance to get to Tuesday Night but before tonight that chance was about 10%. Why anyone would want to have to rely on the Coyotes beating a team they have never beaten outside of Vermillion (in the D1 era) is beyond me. It a self defeating prophesy and one for the life of me I simply don't understand. If you want the Coyotes to have to face SDSU than you want the Yotes to face much longer odds of winning this tourney.
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Post by gopheryote on Mar 8, 2020 5:45:38 GMT -6
Interesting. NDSU gets the call on both of their last two full speed, head down, going to the hoop drives from Ward and Shahid and then the refs swallow the whistle on Denver's similar drive at the end. Also 26 free attempts to 8 for Denver. Ouch! Thought the same thing.
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Post by gopheryote on Mar 8, 2020 5:57:13 GMT -6
Why is it that so many people just simply want to knock off the Jacks. The goal of this tourney is not to beat the Jacks but instead get to the NCAA tourney and they best way to accomplish that is to not have to go through SDSU. Even if they were to beat the Jacks they would still have to win another game and a Jacks game would be full or emotion and empty the tank much more than a game again Fort Wayne would. Coyote fans just need to get the Jacks out of their head. I would say now that the Yotes have about a 50/50 chance to get to Tuesday Night but before tonight that chance was about 10%. Why anyone would want to have to rely on the Coyotes beating a team they have never beaten outside of Vermillion (in the D1 era) is beyond me. It a self defeating prophesy and one for the life of me I simply don't understand. If you want the Coyotes to have to face SDSU than you want the Yotes to face much longer odds of winning this tourney. You appear to the only one who thinks the past is as relatable to right now. Most of us can see that those SLT L's were against SDSU's 'all-timer' type of teams that were bad match ups for USD, and that simply isn't the case this year. If you think you are going to win anyway, it is more fun to have a State/U game thrown in.
P.S. - this also applies the WBB. Anything can happen of course, but we have an 'all-timer' level team that is a really bad match-up for SDSU, which isn't the same as the past...
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Post by yoteforever on Mar 8, 2020 5:57:32 GMT -6
Why is it that so many people just simply want to knock off the Jacks. The goal of this tourney is not to beat the Jacks but instead get to the NCAA tourney and they best way to accomplish that is to not have to go through SDSU. Even if they were to beat the Jacks they would still have to win another game and a Jacks game would be full or emotion and empty the tank much more than a game again Fort Wayne would. Coyote fans just need to get the Jacks out of their head. I would say now that the Yotes have about a 50/50 chance to get to Tuesday Night but before tonight that chance was about 10%. Why anyone would want to have to rely on the Coyotes beating a team they have never beaten outside of Vermillion (in the D1 era) is beyond me. It a self defeating prophesy and one for the life of me I simply don't understand. If you want the Coyotes to have to face SDSU than you want the Yotes to face much longer odds of winning this tourney. SERIOUSLY? Since you have come back to the board, almost with entirety your posts have been about how the Coyotes can’t beat the Jacks. Almost 100% of your posts center around our so called inability to beat SDDU. Then you call out others for bringing up beating the Jacks? Since your return to the board you are very simply Debbie Downer. I haven’t said a word until now but quite frankly I get sick of your negative posts.
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Post by gopheryote on Mar 8, 2020 6:05:12 GMT -6
What in the.... It doesn't appear anyone on the bench (including coaches) is yelling "FOUL HIM", so we can't even just say Key didn't foul when he was supposed to. It looks like they were going for a trap/steal - without any TO's - and without the one guy who was scoring on the floor. Not great.
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Post by fightsd on Mar 8, 2020 7:25:37 GMT -6
Gotta agree with CF here. What's the goal here? Is it to beat state or to make it to the tourney? I would like to beat them as much as anybody, but remember what happened in Brookings? The SLT is just a bigger home game for state. Why would we want to make it harder on ourselves to win the tournament? I would much rather play the bison, who we've lost to twice this season, than have to play state again.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 8, 2020 7:33:41 GMT -6
Gotta agree with CF here. What's the goal here? Is it to beat state or to make it to the tourney? I would like to beat them as much as anybody, but remember what happened in Brookings? The SLT is just a bigger home game for state. Why would we want to make it harder on ourselves to win the tournament? I would much rather play the bison, who we've lost to twice this season, than have to play state again. Pretty sure if you asked most Coyote fans they'd tell you that they are ecstatic about last night's result.
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Post by captaincoyote on Mar 8, 2020 8:54:07 GMT -6
The whole reason that I said I'm torn is that I understand that the ultimate goal is to win the tournament no matter how. But is the point of a rivalry not to want to play each other - especially on the big stage? Wouldn't we rather defeat all three other Dakota schools in the process - as we had the potential to do so - than achieve glory through victories over IPFW and ORU/Omaha? I don't care if it's harder and scarier. I sure hope that our players don't have the same self-defeating attitude about playing state as some of you. Give me guys who can have lost every other previous match up in their career and still wake up the next morning wanting another chance. Go Yotes.
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Post by fightsd on Mar 8, 2020 9:15:00 GMT -6
The whole reason that I said I'm torn is that I understand that the ultimate goal is to win the tournament no matter how. But is the point of a rivalry not to want to play each other - especially on the big stage? Wouldn't we rather defeat all three other Dakota schools in the process - as we had the potential to do so - than achieve glory through victories over IPFW and ORU/Omaha? I don't care if it's harder and scarier. I sure hope that our players don't have the same self-defeating attitude about playing state as some of you. Give me guys who can have lost every other previous match up in their career and still wake up the next morning wanting another chance. Go Yotes. I don't give a rats who we have to play to win the SLT. Just win it. Playing state in SF is just like playing them at Frost. Heavy home court advantage for the blue team. When was the last time the boys won a game at Frost? 2002? Let's win a couple tournaments before we start wanting to make things more difficult on ourselves. Sound like a bunch of Vikings fans. "Who cares that we've never won a championship, our main goal is to beat the Packers."
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Post by captaincoyote on Mar 8, 2020 9:31:16 GMT -6
The main goal is not to just beat the jacks in the tournament, but I'll be damned if I ever actively want to avoid playing them. As stated, I'm happy to have an easier path ahead of us, but I'd be lying if I said I'm not disappointed that we won't get a shot at playing state this year when it is probably the most favorable match up we've had and will have likely have for a few years. Sounds like a few of you are developing a syndrome.
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Post by gopheryote on Mar 8, 2020 11:17:25 GMT -6
This is a weird discussion. It isn't either/or. A fan can both want to win the SLT and want to beat a rival along the way. That same fan can also see a path to winning the SLT being easier if someone else already beat that rival - doesn't change the part about wanting to win the SLT. Everyone agrees with all of it - what is the debate about?
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