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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 23, 2020 0:53:51 GMT -6
I’m also in the camp watching to see how Coach Lee does this year both on the side coaching during games, and overall with the new players. I’m not 100% sold on him and his coaching abilities yet. His first year was rough due to injuries so I’ll give him credit, but last year was year two with a decent roster, and the players more adjusted and we still made yet another early exit in Sioux Falls. Valid criticism. We severely underachieved last season. I believe the gpa has improved immensely under Lee, but the success on the court hasn’t materialized yet. Last season started so well winning the Rainbow Classic in Hawaii, but it didn’t finish strong. This was supposed to be his final year of the original 3 year contract, but I have heard a new 3 year deal that starts this year may have been executed over the summer. Why on earth would the administration not make him finish out his contract and decide from there. It just makes no sense to me. If Lee had come off a Summit title or a great Summit tourney than sure you extend him but the Coyotes have severely under achieved at the Summit tourney in both years under Lee. I don't know what it is with this admins fascination with this guy. That is especially true after the promise Craig Smith brought to the program.
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Post by kiyoat on Nov 23, 2020 6:41:20 GMT -6
If you don’t extend a coach’s contract in the final year, you potentially hamstring his/her recruiting efforts. Rival coaches can use it against you and sow doubt in recruits’ minds. Welcome to Division 1 basketball....$$$
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Post by kiyoat on Nov 23, 2020 9:38:55 GMT -6
One other note is that "having" a contract means something for optics, but if our AD is smart, and I think that he is, .... that contract should be structured in ways that benefit USD, and minimize our loss in the event of poor coaching performance.
I guess that would be the small upside of being forced to re-sign a coach that hasn't yet proven much.
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 23, 2020 10:34:38 GMT -6
Valid criticism. We severely underachieved last season. I believe the gpa has improved immensely under Lee, but the success on the court hasn’t materialized yet. Last season started so well winning the Rainbow Classic in Hawaii, but it didn’t finish strong. This was supposed to be his final year of the original 3 year contract, but I have heard a new 3 year deal that starts this year may have been executed over the summer. Why on earth would the administration not make him finish out his contract and decide from there. It just makes no sense to me. If Lee had come off a Summit title or a great Summit tourney than sure you extend him but the Coyotes have severely under achieved at the Summit tourney in both years under Lee. I don't know what it is with this admins fascination with this guy. That is especially true after the promise Craig Smith brought to the program. You, or no one else for that matter knows what his contract entails. Just let it play out and don’t assume you know
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Post by yotesbacker on Nov 23, 2020 10:36:13 GMT -6
Last 2 posts from kiyoat are so very true. End of that story. I believe Coach Lee has great national/international connections in the coaching and recruiting circles. In order to prove that he can 'do the job,' a coach needs 3 to 5 years. Agreed, last 2 years ended in major disappointment. Coach Smith had the same problem at USD when you look back at his 4 years. Big year lies ahead for the Yotes men. On paper, I like what I see.
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Post by usdguy99 on Nov 23, 2020 14:29:11 GMT -6
Why on earth would the administration not make him finish out his contract and decide from there. It just makes no sense to me. If Lee had come off a Summit title or a great Summit tourney than sure you extend him but the Coyotes have severely under achieved at the Summit tourney in both years under Lee. I don't know what it is with this admins fascination with this guy. That is especially true after the promise Craig Smith brought to the program. You, or no one else for that matter knows what his contract entails. Just let it play out and don’t assume you know If the contract is with the University and not the Foundation, it would be pretty easy to request a copy as a public document.
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Post by elcoyote on Nov 23, 2020 14:58:49 GMT -6
I expect the year to start out slowly given all the new players and in dealing with this covid mess that has caused players to miss multiple workouts and practice. That should make some "fans" happy because it'll give them the opportunity to whine and complain to their hearts content. Summit League Tourney is all that matters anyway and and hard as I try, I can't remember Coach Smith ever guiding USD to a tourney championship. I do seem to recall some of the most horrid basketball I've ever witnessed the last few games of his final season here. Also, I really don't think there are going to be many coaching changes anywhere in college athletics this season anyway. Wouldn't be a good look for a school's athletic department department to pay off a contract while cutting other sports because of financial difficulties.
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Post by sdyotefan on Nov 24, 2020 7:19:48 GMT -6
Anyone know which players are heathy and ready to go tomorrow night?
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Post by easmus on Nov 25, 2020 18:03:06 GMT -6
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 25, 2020 20:01:28 GMT -6
will it be a 3 year extention of excellence or irrelevance. remains to be seen. The longer craig smith becomes a speck in the rear view mirror the trend has been irrelevance.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 25, 2020 20:17:25 GMT -6
will it be a 3 year extention of excellence or irrelevance. remains to be seen. The longer craig smith becomes a speck in the rear view mirror the trend has been irrelevance. The Yotes trail a power program at halftime in the first game of a year where very few minutes return and a pandemic heavily disrupted preseason preparation. Better come out and say the team is irrelevant! No matter the situation we need to make dramatic doom posts if the Yotes are playing. I don't like Todd Lee. I'd ask you to think critically about what you've posted, but...
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Post by elcoyote on Nov 25, 2020 23:14:51 GMT -6
will it be a 3 year extention of excellence or irrelevance. remains to be seen. The longer craig smith becomes a speck in the rear view mirror the trend has been irrelevance. Although I really liked the guy, exactly what promised land did Coach Smith ever lead us to? The one conference championship in 2017 was nice, but conference tourneys were all either blah or disasters and the last few games of the 2018 season exhibited some extremely uninspired basketball.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 26, 2020 2:10:21 GMT -6
Many people are bitter that Craig Smith left. There is no comparison between Smith and Lee. I will give Lee the benefit of the doubt this year but I am not an excuse maker and I am not gonna excuse a bad season and that is where I am different from many. Everyone is playing under the same conditions this year. These are the times when good programs step up and bad programs don't. Lee has had 2 years under his belt to prepare for what awaits this season. It is not like he was just thrown in there. We need to see something THIS year and not make excuses. When Dawn lost darn near the whole team of mainly Williams recruits she stepped up and still coached a team to be pretty good. They weren't as good but still good and then from there we know the results. Dawn acquired a good program and made it better. Basically she carried the momentum forward. So far the program has regressed since Lee took over. We had all the momentum in the world after Smith left and I personally think we are squandering it, but lets see what happens.
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Post by gopheryote on Nov 26, 2020 7:32:27 GMT -6
Many people are bitter that Craig Smith left. There is no comparison between Smith and Lee. I will give Lee the benefit of the doubt this year but I am not an excuse maker and I am not gonna excuse a bad season and that is where I am different from many. Everyone is playing under the same conditions this year. These are the times when good programs step up and bad programs don't. Lee has had 2 years under his belt to prepare for what awaits this season. It is not like he was just thrown in there. We need to see something THIS year and not make excuses. When Dawn lost darn near the whole team of mainly Williams recruits she stepped up and still coached a team to be pretty good. They weren't as good but still good and then from there we know the results. Dawn acquired a good program and made it better. Basically she carried the momentum forward. So far the program has regressed since Lee took over. We had all the momentum in the world after Smith left and I personally think we are squandering it, but lets see what happens. Calm down a bit CF (though I see this was written at 2:10 AM). I don't think anyone is cheer-leading for Coach Lee. We are all just waiting to see how the season goes and see if he rises to the occasion or not.
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Post by gopheryote on Nov 27, 2020 11:21:13 GMT -6
Speaking of Coach Smith - did any of you watch some of USU's games against VCU or SDSU? Woof. I'd take the Yotes over them right now by double digits, and that was after a pretty uninspiring game against CU.
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