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Post by kiyoat on Dec 8, 2020 8:32:37 GMT -6
I get it. plenty of fans on both sides of the fence would never root for the other for any reason. That's why it's called a rivalry (whether they admit it or not). I don't mean to cast it as if that's not normal. It absolutely is. I work in an office that is dominated by State alumni, some of them are donors. The silence in the office after a Yote win over the Jacks is golden to me. Last season when we got over the hump on them in Football and the SLT Women's title felt great. The destroy-ification in the Showdown series was amazing.
Personally, though, I just choose to take a more pragmatic perspective. "technically speaking" having the Jacks (or any Summit team) succeed in the non-con helps us. Any Summit team that has a chance to get a high ranking helps us even more, assuming we have a shot to beat them (we do). Having two perennially elite mid-major programs from a very small state is.... pretty rare. I think that's cool.
That being said, if one of us has to go into decline, of course I'd rather it be them.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 8, 2020 8:34:36 GMT -6
I heard Douple is moving the Summit League Tournament to Brookings this year as well. You serious, Clark?
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Dec 8, 2020 17:39:25 GMT -6
I heard Douple is moving the Summit League Tournament to Brookings this year as well. You serious, Clark? No, but might as well since every game is up there anyways.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 8, 2020 17:48:35 GMT -6
I get it. plenty of fans on both sides of the fence would never root for the other for any reason. That's why it's called a rivalry (whether they admit it or not). I don't mean to cast it as if that's not normal. It absolutely is. I work in an office that is dominated by State alumni, some of them are donors. The silence in the office after a Yote win over the Jacks is golden to me. Last season when we got over the hump on them in Football and the SLT Women's title felt great. The destroy-ification in the Showdown series was amazing. Personally, though, I just choose to take a more pragmatic perspective. "technically speaking" having the Jacks (or any Summit team) succeed in the non-con helps us. Any Summit team that has a chance to get a high ranking helps us even more, assuming we have a shot to beat them (we do). Having two perennially elite mid-major programs from a very small state is.... pretty rare. I think that's cool. That being said, if one of us has to go into decline, of course I'd rather it be them. Pretty sure I'd quit that job if I had any options. You must be a saint.
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Post by captaincoyote on Dec 8, 2020 20:29:01 GMT -6
I don't care how good SDSU as long as we are better and they don't steal our 'croots. Bingo. That's actually not what I'm saying. The frustrating truth is that we feed off each other. I have my doubts that we would have had the determination or vision to develop an elite mid-major program if sdsu hadn't done it first. They could be ranked #2 in the country for all care as long as we are ranked #1. If they suck that's fine too, but hoping for them to decline so we can beat them is not the attitude I want to have. We have earned the ability to believe that we can beat them no matter how good they are or where we play them.
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 9, 2020 11:17:09 GMT -6
That's actually not what I'm saying. The frustrating truth is that we feed off each other. I have my doubts that we would have had the determination or vision to develop an elite mid-major program if sdsu hadn't done it first. They could be ranked #2 in the country for all care as long as we are ranked #1. If they suck that's fine too, but hoping for them to decline so we can beat them is not the attitude I want to have. We have earned the ability to believe that we can beat them no matter how good they are or where we play them. Disagree. We didn't need SDSU to be an elite volleyball program for us to build an elite, mid-major volleyball program on our own. We did that because we wanted to. In fact, SDSU has a very weak VB program. I get what you are saying, that steel sharpens steel and forces you to elevate your game, but I don't think what goes on at SDSU has any impact on any of our programs, including WBB. Remember, USD WBB was an elite level program coming out of D2 where we were competing for national titles. The motivation to have an elite level mid-major WBB program was already there. The one program at USD where I feel like we are chasing is the football program, and we're not chasing SDSU, we're chasing NDSU. Of course, every FCS school in the conference and in the country is chasing NDSU football.
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Post by captaincoyote on Dec 10, 2020 8:12:13 GMT -6
Good points, but I still think the ideal scenario is for SDSU to be good, but not as good as us. I wouldn't mind them being at least mediocre at volleyball as well. Look at FBS football. Non-power 5 conference teams can't go undefeated and make the playoffs without beating someone highly ranked in the process. Tough competition prevents complacency.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 10, 2020 8:34:18 GMT -6
Good points, but I still think the ideal scenario is for SDSU to be good, but not as good as us. I wouldn't mind them being at least mediocre at volleyball as well. Look at FBS football. Non-power 5 conference teams can't go undefeated and make the playoffs without beating someone highly ranked in the process. Tough competition prevents complacency. I agree. Look at the Summit League Tournament, and what an event and spectacle those title games have become. Nothing draws in local fans like an intense rivalry, where both sides are championship-level programs. That's how you draw in local and regional elite talent that have high-major options on the table. They want to play in that game. Nobody goes to SDSU Volleyball matches in Frost. Not even the Showdown series match. If they were mediocre and won 50 or 60 percent of their conference matches they could at least be competitive enough to have a puncher's chance against us. Then you'd probably see some Jacks fans start to go to those rivalry bouts. They do show up when there is a reason to.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 10, 2020 10:11:59 GMT -6
So after a week of Summit WBB, here are some interesting outcomes: Upset wins:-SDSU 76 ---------Iowa State 69 (AP #15) Omaha 66 Northern Colorado 64 (preseason #5 BSC) -NDSU 85 -----Northern Iowa 68 (preseason #3 MVC) Surprisingly competitive losses:USD 71 --South Carolina 81 (AP #1) UND 82 -------Marquette 90 WIU 66 -------Wisconsin 73 Surprising losses:Denver 74 Northern Colorado 75 Quality wins by NDSU and Omaha. Is this the year the Mavs crawl out of the basement? Can Jory Collins improve on his surprising first year? Will Denver fall from the 2nd tier? Will a Brewster-less Hawks improve? Will J.D. and the Leathernecks (great band name) take the 3-seed this season? I'm going to guess "yes" to all the above. Another week has shed some more light on the season.... Upset wins:NDSU 59 -Green Bay 51 (preseason #2 Horizon) NDSU 82 -Green Bay 66 SDSU 75 -Gonzaga 72 (AP #18) Denver 85 Colorado 84 Competitive losses:Denver 67 Wyoming 79 (preseason #5 MWC) Omaha 50 Illinois 53 Really bad performances:ORU 61 --Nebraska 90WIU 74 --Eastern Ill 88ORU 59 --Kansas 100UMKC 64 Rockhurst 67 (D-II school) WIU 51 --Indiana State 78 (preseason #9 MVC) 1. Looks like I was wrong, wrong, wrong about Western Illinois. Not sure if they have injuries, but they need to start playing some defense. 2. NDSU is proving they are the #3 team this year. Look out for them. and their hot shooting. Early plug for Collins COY? 3. Denver has been hot and cold, but I think they still belong in the 2nd tier. Nice job for a 1st year coach. 4. Omaha has to be the biggest surprise so far. Looks like they took their defense up three notches. Another new coach showing immediate improvement. Dark horse COY candidate? 5. ORU is without star player Lippe. They are getting curb-stomped. UMKC may also have a painful first season in the Summit. UND is somewhere in the low-middle. Same as last year. I see a coaching search in Spring to replace the interim coach...
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Post by gopheryote on Dec 10, 2020 20:22:15 GMT -6
Good point, Gopheryote. Because we play State twice on the road, they only have to be in the top-75 to be considered a "quadrant-1" win(or loss) for us. In the tournament they would have to be ranked in the top-50 to be a Q1 opponent. If they sweep their non-con (certainly possible) they should have a pretty easy road to a high NET ranking. Never mind, SDSU lost tonight to a bad K-State team. I give up trying to guess who is going to do what.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 11, 2020 1:34:10 GMT -6
Well someone just did the ice bucket challenge over the heads of the SDSU Women to damper their flame. They were already becoming the media darlings. I give them credit for beating Gonzaga but they were very fortunate to pull off that win. They needed some good fortune just to force OT and then to come back and win in OT. All in the friendly confines of Frost but once they have to be a true road team things don't turn out so rosey. Look like they forgot to pack the Rabbits foot for this one. So much for their ranking, LOL.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 11, 2020 8:20:11 GMT -6
Anyone watch that game? I only caught a little bit of the last couple minutes. It's on ESPN+, so I might go back and watch it sometime. Looked to me that the Jacks were going after rebounds and defense with a ton of team effort, but the Mildcats' size and athleticism was an issue for them. Will have to check out the box score.
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Post by captaincoyote on Dec 11, 2020 9:38:23 GMT -6
Anyone watch that game? I only caught a little bit of the last couple minutes. It's on ESPN+, so I might go back and watch it sometime. Looked to me that the Jacks were going after rebounds and defense with a ton of team effort, but the Mildcats' size and athleticism was an issue for them. Will have to check out the box score. I see that they had about an 8 minute scoring drought in which they only made 1 free throw. Not gonna win many games when that happens. Wish they would have saved that for us.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 11, 2020 10:08:32 GMT -6
Anyone watch that game? I only caught a little bit of the last couple minutes. It's on ESPN+, so I might go back and watch it sometime. Looked to me that the Jacks were going after rebounds and defense with a ton of team effort, but the Mildcats' size and athleticism was an issue for them. Will have to check out the box score. I see that they had about an 8 minute scoring drought in which they only made 1 free throw. Not gonna win many games when that happens. Wish they would have saved that for us. Sounds like both SD teams have some things to work on, offensively. Both teams seem to be playing decent defense. We'll need that defense to avoid upsets from the likes of NDSU and Denver.
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Post by gopheryote on Dec 11, 2020 11:25:59 GMT -6
I see that they had about an 8 minute scoring drought in which they only made 1 free throw. Not gonna win many games when that happens. Wish they would have saved that for us. Sounds like both SD teams have some things to work on, offensively. Both teams seem to be playing decent defense. We'll need that defense to avoid upsets from the likes of NDSU and Denver. I only caught the last few minutes. And that stretch was a combination of a rock fight and pee wee league basketball. K-State had no idea how to dribble or pass - it was amazing. The line drives SDSU was throwing up from 3 may have literally put dents in the back board and rim. Everyone was moving so slowly that I assumed they were all really tired from a physical game (comparing it to the pace of the Yotes game, which I thought was slow and rough).
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