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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 11, 2021 23:13:53 GMT -6
With Texas and Oklahoma moving to the SEC and BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and Central Florida likely headed to the Big 12 it appears that there is going to be a trickle down affect that may affect USD and the Summit/MVFC at some point. USD need to be ready to put themselves in the best possible position to land in a good situation when this is all said and done. I want our University to be forward thinking and don't think they have feel married to the Summit League. It looks like a big change in college football may be coming if not a change in college sports in general. UMKC just doesn't seem like the type of program that should be in the same conference as the Coyotes. Just by looking at the facilities they probably shouldn't be in the same conference.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 12, 2021 8:09:30 GMT -6
I'd wager that the Big 12 dissolves before its new members join, as there is no way the remaining 8 members are happy staying. That would lead to some schools getting edged out of the "power 5", creating a more crowded G5 landscape, which is something that shouldn't impact the FCS at all in my eyes.
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 12, 2021 10:13:48 GMT -6
I'd wager that the Big 12 dissolves before its new members join, as there is no way the remaining 8 members are happy staying. That would lead to some schools getting edged out of the "power 5", creating a more crowded G5 landscape, which is something that shouldn't impact the FCS at all in my eyes. Respectfully disagree. The Big 12 presidents will be signing off on the agreement in the coming months. The penalty is to severe. That being said, and myself a Big 12 guy ( after USD ), long term the end result is better for the remaining teams. They are sick and tired of dealing with the BS of Texas. Ever since that school got in the Big 12 they have been that one that we all know from our past that says…”it’s my ball so I play”. Time will pass and it will settle down. Losing Oklahoma is a loss. Losing Texas is fine. You can argue football wise they strengthened not weakened in present day analysis. BYU knocks off #21’Utah last night. Cincinnati is highly ranked. UCF football is awfully good and Houston has had their moments. Texas football sucks. Hell lowly Arkansas beat the hell out of them last night. I will predict that Texas will flounder in the SEC. Very much like Nebraska has in the Big 10. Except I think it will be worse. Texas is irrelevant. Once football ends you now can make the case the new Big 12 could be the predominant league in basketball, challenging the ACC. BYU, CINCY, and Houston are all nationally ranked. The revenue stream from the NCAA tourney will make up part of the loss from football. West Virginia now has more regional games with UCF and Cincinnati. The Big 12 is just fine.
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Post by kiyoat on Sept 12, 2021 11:26:53 GMT -6
Football-wise the thing that would most affect USD is the MVFC. Many moving parts there:
How do the non-football members of the MVC view the MVFC? Is there a rift between the MVC members and the Summit members of the MVFC? What about Youngstown State as a wildcard? Can WIU continue to support football and membership in the MVFC/Summit? Do the XDSU schools still want to move on to a G-5 or P-5 level? Could they? Could the Summit sponsor football? and Would they want to?
many unknowns
In the non-football sports, it would be hard to not acknowledge that the Summit has become more stable and desirable in recent years. And that USD is more of a core member than an outlier. Could we still look at membership in other conferences? Sure, but the reasons for doing so seem to be less compelling now than in the past. Sometimes a bird in hand really is better than two in the bush. Or in another conference. Or whatever makes sense for that analogy to work.
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Post by kiyoat on Sept 12, 2021 11:28:29 GMT -6
....They are sick and tired of dealing with the BS of Texas. Ever since that school got in the Big 12 they have been that one that we all know from our past that says…”it’s my ball so I play”. Time will pass and it will settle down. Losing Oklahoma is a loss. Losing Texas is fine.... Agree with all of this. F Tex-ass.
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Post by elcoyote on Sept 12, 2021 12:47:19 GMT -6
If the entire state of Texas would just go ahead and secede from the rest of the USA, it would be fine with me.
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 12, 2021 13:09:59 GMT -6
That’s how I feel about California
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Post by elcoyote on Sept 12, 2021 13:52:22 GMT -6
California would be just fine on it's own. It would have the world's fifth largest economy.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 12, 2021 18:29:46 GMT -6
Summit football remains an intriguing idea to me. Snag a couple schools like Eastern Illinois and SE Missouri State and I think we could pull it off. Both are relatively in our footprint, seem generally okay in athletics, and would give us 7 football Summit schools (8 if St Thomas joined too).
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Post by kiyoat on Sept 13, 2021 7:49:56 GMT -6
Summit football remains an intriguing idea to me. Snag a couple schools like Eastern Illinois and SE Missouri State and I think we could pull it off. Both are relatively in our footprint, seem generally okay in athletics, and would give us 7 football Summit schools (8 if St Thomas joined too). That would be interesting. I'm sure that UST would rather play football in the Summit than in the Pioneer League. Maybe add Northern Colorado to your list as well. 6 teams minimum, 8 is better for football, 10 might be the ideal number. Above that and you can't do round-robin. SEMO and EIU are geographically the closest football-sponsoring members of the Ohio Valley Conference. The Geography makes sense given we have WIU, KC and ORU in the Southeast flank. And they are certainly better options than a Division-II school. Adding them and sponsoring football (plus UST joining in football) would bring Summit membership up to a nice even 12 members, and Summit Football to 8.... Yeah, I could live with that.
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 13, 2021 8:41:48 GMT -6
I'd wager that the Big 12 dissolves before its new members join, as there is no way the remaining 8 members are happy staying. That would lead to some schools getting edged out of the "power 5", creating a more crowded G5 landscape, which is something that shouldn't impact the FCS at all in my eyes. Respectfully disagree. The Big 12 presidents will be signing off on the agreement in the coming months. The penalty is to severe. That being said, and myself a Big 12 guy ( after USD ), long term the end result is better for the remaining teams. They are sick and tired of dealing with the BS of Texas. Ever since that school got in the Big 12 they have been that one that we all know from our past that says…”it’s my ball so I play”. Time will pass and it will settle down. Losing Oklahoma is a loss. Losing Texas is fine. You can argue football wise they strengthened not weakened in present day analysis. BYU knocks off #21’Utah last night. Cincinnati is highly ranked. UCF football is awfully good and Houston has had their moments. Texas football sucks. Hell lowly Arkansas beat the hell out of them last night. I will predict that Texas will flounder in the SEC. Very much like Nebraska has in the Big 10. Except I think it will be worse. Texas is irrelevant. Once football ends you now can make the case the new Big 12 could be the predominant league in basketball, challenging the ACC. BYU, CINCY, and Houston are all nationally ranked. The revenue stream from the NCAA tourney will make up part of the loss from football. West Virginia now has more regional games with UCF and Cincinnati. The Big 12 is just fine. Once this cycles through and the new media contracts are signed the Big 12 will cease being recognized as a Power conference. The same thing happened to the old Big East. I think the difference is the remaining Big 12 members have no where else to go as the other P conferences weighed the landscape and opted to not expand. There is a reason the Big 12 was not included in The Alliance. Maybe in a couple years it could change but I think we're seeing the end of realignment, for now, with just some minor movement to the AAC to pick up a member to get back up to 12 schools. I don't think this trickles down to the FCS level at this point in time.
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 13, 2021 10:06:10 GMT -6
The one and only reason The Alliance did not include the Big 12 is TV sets. I understand you’re a fan of the Big 10 but the only reason all this stuff happened is because of money. Pure greed.
That being said, one very strong possibility that could happen is when Ohio State and Michigan and perhaps Penn State pull out and either go independent or form a so called SUPER LEAGUE with Alabama, Georgia, and possibly Florida. Cable revenue will drop as it won’t be the primary source for delivering product. When Ohio State and Michigan see the revenue they can get from streaming and pay per view, the Big 10 and SEC will also diminish in stature. It will not stay as it is or how it looks for a long and stable period of time. Greed will win out. Just study Norte Dame. They can’t afford a football league.
Remove those 2-3 schools and the balance of the league will then merge elsewhere as they can’t generate the same revenue as the big boys. I said 10 years ago money will eventually ruin college football. The Alliance, if they were smart, would agree to never play an SEC team during the regular season. Force the SEC to play a full conference schedule or any out of conference games be played against mid majors or FCS schools.
FCS is going to be affected by The Alliance starting in the next 5 years or so. These so called ALLIANCE schools won’t be playing the likes of USD because the TV providers are going to demand power 5 vs power 5. So many schools like USD are going to lose out on guaranty games number 1. Secondly, they are going to be recruiting players off our rosters as opposed to high school players. . It’s already going on. Just study the trend. These schools are not going to recruit as many high school players as they’re used to. They will be watching film on the Coyotes, Jack’s, Bison, etc. it’s already happening.
Money and greed will kill the game we love. Make no mistake about it. And if you’re correct on the current Big 12 the demise will happen in a shorter period of time. When institutions like Oklahoma State and Kansas State and Iowa State and so on have invested millions and millions of dollars in their programs as they have, if you think they’re going down without a fight I think you’re dead wrong. I’d bet on it. Right now, if you’re not Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan or Clemson, you should be nervous as hell. Money will prove me correct and I think it sucks.
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Post by kiyoat on Oct 20, 2021 8:54:07 GMT -6
... I think we're seeing the end of realignment, for now, with just some minor movement to the AAC to pick up a member to get back up to 12 schools. I don't think this trickles down to the FCS level at this point in time. Looks like the AAC is planning to raid C-USA to the tune of 6 teams! 3 Texas schools (North Tex, Rice, UTSA) plus UAB, FAU and Charlotte. If that happens, C-USA will either implode and be cannibalized by the Sunbelt and others, or backfill with Sunbelt teams. Or they could pull a top FCS team? JMU and Sam Houston are in their footprint.
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 20, 2021 10:08:19 GMT -6
Missouri State is also in the current CUSA footprint. I would rank JMU as most likely to move up, with Missouri State 2nd. I really don't see Sam Houston making a move.
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Post by kiyoat on Oct 20, 2021 10:15:36 GMT -6
Missouri State is also in the current CUSA footprint. I would rank JMU as most likely to move up, with Missouri State 2nd. I really don't see Sam Houston making a move. MSU moving on would actually even the # of MVFC teams at 10. Plus it would give the 5 Summit teams a voting advantage over the 4 MVC teams. Plus it could open up another MVC spot? Then we would see Omaha and KC shamelessly propositioning the MVC again.....
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