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Post by kiyoat on Dec 23, 2021 10:42:52 GMT -6
Every year the Summit seems to do a brand-new bonehead scheme for scheduling in it's most important sports (MBB & WBB). In the past there have been issues with the odd number of teams, Covid, facility conflicts, experimentation with double-headers, rivalry games on weekdays, etc.
I thought I'd create an ongoing thread for people to rant about discuss what they love and hate about the current scheme...
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 23, 2021 10:47:58 GMT -6
So having the MBB and WBB teams alternating road/home vs the same opponent with travel partners is new this year. I can see the advantage for fans having home games every week. For the rivalry week between NDSU/UND and SDSU/USD it should probably be broken up to different days, I think. Fans are forced to choose between attending one game or the other.
Personally, I like men's/women's double-headers, but I realize that many fans don't.
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Post by sdyotefan on Dec 23, 2021 14:11:15 GMT -6
I like the double headers too having to drive 600 miles round trip!!
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 23, 2021 15:21:31 GMT -6
I like the double headers too having to drive 600 miles round trip!! Wow, I thought I had it bad. My hats off to you
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Post by Yotes on Dec 23, 2021 18:38:24 GMT -6
I dare someone to draw up the ideal schedule and send it into the league office so that they can punish us with weekday rivalry games over break.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 24, 2021 15:08:08 GMT -6
So having the MBB and WBB teams alternating road/home vs the same opponent with travel partners is new this year. I can see the advantage for fans having home games every week. For the rivalry week between NDSU/UND and SDSU/USD it should probably be broken up to different days, I think. Fans are forced to choose between attending one game or the other. Personally, I like men's/women's double-headers, but I realize that many fans don't. This season more than ever if the Summit League or USD wants fans to attend Men's Basketball home games in Vermillion it would be wise to put them as part of a double header with the women. At this point I would rarely choose a Men's game over a Women's game. Just the reality of the situation and I believe many have the same feeling. If the men's program gets it together that might change. Double Headers are marketing gold and work. They usually work to market the women's programs better but at USD it works the opposite. I would absolutely watch a men's game as part of a double header but wouldn't travel just to see the men's team. This isn't taking a poke at the Men's team but is just reality. Just to add an additional note. The Men need the most energy they can possibly get and having more fans in the building for them would definitely help them more than ever.
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 1, 2022 1:06:07 GMT -6
Here’s another vote against our current setup:
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Post by oldhare on Jan 1, 2022 9:28:57 GMT -6
It would seem possible to have Saturday doubleheader games on the USD/SDSU week. It certainly would be a gate success for either program. The NDSU/UND week is likely not as easy to pull with the mirror schedule and Thursday/Saturday games. Hopefully the coaches and Summit administration could bend for the "rivalry" games play outside the mirror frame.
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Post by yoteforever on Jan 1, 2022 10:19:17 GMT -6
I understand everyone’s viewpoints on the doubleheader discussion. Let me throw out a couple of reasons to keep it as it is. And just because I throw out these ideas doesn’t mean I endorse it, it’s just more or less food for thought.
The first is our fan base is a older. The “die hard” fans that make most every game, this may very well be their source of entertainment. As an example, my mother in law lives in Vermillion and goes to the vast majority of the games. So therefore from the end of December till the first of March, when the weather is the coldest, she has 2 nights of going to games and being entertained. She has that every weekend. So for that kind of fan, they love it. For me, it’s a 4 hour round trip. I try to make 50-75% of the games so that gets a little tiring being on the road so much. I’d spend the night but there’s 2 days in between, not like the old days of Friday / Saturday matchups.
The second thought is with double the home nights of games vs the doubleheader’s, I would think there’d be lost revenue. I don’t know that, but just feel it would be.
I hate to say this but in all honesty if we don’t start increasing ticket sales and other avenues of revenue generation, not only in basketball but football as well, we will not be relevant in the not to distant future. It takes money, and quite honestly I think we have a lethargic fan base that only comes when a team is good, and they don’t do that very well at times. Our administration needs to generate more revenue…period. If by having doubleheader’s that cuts down on revenue, I’d bet they’re opposed to it.
This is a good topic for continued discussion. I love the fact we are relevant now in 3 of 4 ticket sports. Hopefully men’s basketball can get it back. I for one will continue to support them, because they are our team. But common sense says they have to get better quickly, and be more competitive or they’re at risk. Which means the entire department is at risk. Somehow, someway, we have to get fans engaged and jump on the train.
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Post by usdguy99 on Jan 1, 2022 10:41:39 GMT -6
I understand everyone’s viewpoints on the doubleheader discussion. Let me throw out a couple of reasons to keep it as it is. And just because I throw out these ideas doesn’t mean I endorse it, it’s just more or less food for thought. The first is our fan base is a older. The “die hard” fans that make most every game, this may very well be their source of entertainment. As an example, my mother in law lives in Vermillion and goes to the vast majority of the games. So therefore from the end of December till the first of March, when the weather is the coldest, she has 2 nights of going to games and being entertained. She has that every weekend. So for that kind of fan, they love it. For me, it’s a 4 hour round trip. I try to make 50-75% of the games so that gets a little tiring being on the road so much. I’d spend the night but there’s 2 days in between, not like the old days of Friday / Saturday matchups. The second thought is with double the home nights of games vs the doubleheader’s, I would think there’d be lost revenue. I don’t know that, but just feel it would be. I hate to say this but in all honesty if we don’t start increasing ticket sales and other avenues of revenue generation, not only in basketball but football as well, we will not be relevant in the not to distant future. It takes money, and quite honestly I think we have a lethargic fan base that only comes when a team is good, and they don’t do that very well at times. Our administration needs to generate more revenue…period. If by having doubleheader’s that cuts down on revenue, I’d bet they’re opposed to it. This is a good topic for continued discussion. I love the fact we are relevant now in 3 of 4 ticket sports. Hopefully men’s basketball can get it back. I for one will continue to support them, because they are our team. But common sense says they have to get better quickly, and be more competitive or they’re at risk. Which means the entire department is at risk. Somehow, someway, we have to get fans engaged and jump on the train. When we sold our "soul" to Learfield, that hamstrung us from some of the fundraising we could do as a department. Not saying that Coyote Sports Properties are doing a bad job, I do believe their is a high level of complacency with existing customers and little, to no, business development. We should be seeing 4-5 new corporate sponsors/year to help make up for any attrition and revenue growth. Sometimes the status quo for many, many years is not a good thing.
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Post by elcoyote on Jan 1, 2022 11:09:45 GMT -6
I understand everyone’s viewpoints on the doubleheader discussion. Let me throw out a couple of reasons to keep it as it is. And just because I throw out these ideas doesn’t mean I endorse it, it’s just more or less food for thought. The first is our fan base is a older. The “die hard” fans that make most every game, this may very well be their source of entertainment. As an example, my mother in law lives in Vermillion and goes to the vast majority of the games. So therefore from the end of December till the first of March, when the weather is the coldest, she has 2 nights of going to games and being entertained. She has that every weekend. So for that kind of fan, they love it. For me, it’s a 4 hour round trip. I try to make 50-75% of the games so that gets a little tiring being on the road so much. I’d spend the night but there’s 2 days in between, not like the old days of Friday / Saturday matchups. The second thought is with double the home nights of games vs the doubleheader’s, I would think there’d be lost revenue. I don’t know that, but just feel it would be. I hate to say this but in all honesty if we don’t start increasing ticket sales and other avenues of revenue generation, not only in basketball but football as well, we will not be relevant in the not to distant future. It takes money, and quite honestly I think we have a lethargic fan base that only comes when a team is good, and they don’t do that very well at times. Our administration needs to generate more revenue…period. If by having doubleheader’s that cuts down on revenue, I’d bet they’re opposed to it. This is a good topic for continued discussion. I love the fact we are relevant now in 3 of 4 ticket sports. Hopefully men’s basketball can get it back. I for one will continue to support them, because they are our team. But common sense says they have to get better quickly, and be more competitive or they’re at risk. Which means the entire department is at risk. Somehow, someway, we have to get fans engaged and jump on the train. Get it back? Tough crowd. The 'Yotes started out 9 and 0 last year in conference and were in the driver's seat for the conference crown until the end when AJ went down. Still my contention that they would have won the title and at least made it to the championship with a better than even chance of winning in the Summit Tournament if he'd been available. Obviously missed on the court this season too, but we're only two games into conference. Our men, while maybe not the most talented, play extremely hard, play great defense and if someone doesn't enjoy watching them play, they're not really fans of the game but only attend if they think they'll be able to revel in a victory. I'll get off my soapbox now.
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Post by yoteforever on Jan 1, 2022 11:47:50 GMT -6
Didn’t mean anything disrespectful. Simply meant playing at a more competitive level in terms of wins and losses. I just want all our teams to be able to compete for titles knowing full well we probably won’t win titles every year. I stated I will go and support our men’s team this year and every year.
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Post by oldhare on Jan 1, 2022 11:54:26 GMT -6
I looked at the USD/SDSU doubleheader attendance for Vermillion and I saw 5300-6000 in 2019 & 2020. Would the individual games draw better? The mirror schedule will certainly reduce the Jackrabbit travel for these contests. It seems that even the older crowd will come for afternoon doubleheaders since that is the only game for the week. It is physically possible(although harder on older crowd) to attend the women's game at 1pm & make it back to Brookings for the men at 6pm(why not 7pm?).
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 16, 2022 11:16:44 GMT -6
Mirror scheduling is back, baby! Love it or hate it...
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Post by Yotes on Dec 16, 2022 15:21:45 GMT -6
What even is the argument in favor of mirrored scheduling? It keeps travel costs as expensive as possible, and limits the ability for fans to watch their teams. What is the positive to this? The ability to draw up the schedule in 8 seconds flat?
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