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Post by Yote 53 on Jul 1, 2022 8:20:20 GMT -6
When is the official announcement? The day after the population at large acknowledges hockey as a mainstream sport. I completely disagree with this statement. The sport may not be important to you but it is definitely mainstream as the NHL is a multi-billion dollar business with a national TV contract, actually it is international. Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, all have vibrant high school leagues and youth hockey programs. Also, look at the context we are discussing the sport, Midco and the state of Minnesota. Hockey is the most important sport in that state, they actually have a de facto state holiday celebrating it that is broadcast on Bally Sports North for an entire day. Midco's presence in Minnesota, UND Hockey (which has a huge following across northern Minnesota), University of St. Thomas, the Summit League, now Augustana in Sioux Falls starting a D1 hockey program and Midco's involvement in that, it is all intertwined and a relevant topic for USD fans to follow.
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Post by yote18 on Jul 1, 2022 10:12:37 GMT -6
No doubt hockey is big. But relevancy to USD is minimal. All of those schools are in conferences for hockey that USD isn’t associated with. So tv deals don’t really mean much to us. And as for UND it’s clear their baby is hockey so while a tv contract showing summit games is great it doesn’t again do much other than add some more espn + or 3 games occasionally for the vast majority.
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Post by fssd on Jul 1, 2022 21:23:18 GMT -6
No doubt hockey is big. But relevancy to USD is minimal. All of those schools are in conferences for hockey that USD isn’t associated with. So tv deals don’t really mean much to us. And as for UND it’s clear their baby is hockey so while a tv contract showing summit games is great it doesn’t again do much other than add some more espn + or 3 games occasionally for the vast majority. Actually I completely disagree, the UND/MidcoSN contract includes football and one of the topics being pushed by UND is televising conference road games. If this happens and it is successful for MidcoSN. Does MidcoSN expand this to both the South Dakota schools?
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Post by nodak651 on Jul 18, 2022 12:32:57 GMT -6
? Why do you feel the need to make a cheap shot on hockey? USD will benefit from this as well so I'm not sure how exactly that's relevant? It’s the fan forum for ….. (checks notes and title) USD….. who doesn’t have hockey. Which is the only Sport UND truly cares about. Even if true (it's not), the post still lacks any distinguishable argument or reasoning, and it contributes absolutely nothing. I've never trolled here or made any negative comments about USD, but If you guys aren't interested in having reasonable discussion, so be it. Enjoy your echo chamber. Lol sensitive much? Good grief. You do realize this is the sub forum for Summit League discussion, no? USD and SDSU have deals with Midco as well, no? Regardless, my initial post wasn't even about UND. Re read the post I first replied to.
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Post by yote18 on Jul 19, 2022 13:44:36 GMT -6
No doubt hockey is big. But relevancy to USD is minimal. All of those schools are in conferences for hockey that USD isn’t associated with. So tv deals don’t really mean much to us. And as for UND it’s clear their baby is hockey so while a tv contract showing summit games is great it doesn’t again do much other than add some more espn + or 3 games occasionally for the vast majority. Actually I completely disagree, the UND/MidcoSN contract includes football and one of the topics being pushed by UND is televising conference road games. If this happens and it is successful for MidcoSN. Does MidcoSN expand this to both the South Dakota schools? Haven’t most of USD’s road games been on espn+ though in recent years? Most Valley schools already have media contracts that air the games on espn 3 or +. The South Dakota schools, and NDSU, already have a lot of broadcasting rights with Midco that carry a lot of their games on MidcoSN.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Jul 19, 2022 13:45:19 GMT -6
Didn't NDSU drop out from Midco?
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Post by Yotes on Jul 20, 2022 11:51:54 GMT -6
I didn't realize NDSU completely dropped off Midco. They've had a football deal with a local ABC affiliate for years, and that affiliate has their home basketball games too now. This affiliate has been sending their production crew to nearly all NDSU road football games for many years.
UND is trying to compete with that. A dedicated crew following their football team around the country. I don't think there is any chance Midco would be on board. The costs would be astronomically higher to drive a crew out to IA/IL/IN/OH/KY several times a year, and by guaranteeing UND a spot on Midco every Saturday you then have USD/sdsu potentially getting bumped. It's not going to happen.
Midco has picked up feeds for our road games in the past (Fargo and Cedar Falls last year), and maybe UND can try to negotiate that kind of arrangement, but that is a risky proposition as it will reflect poorly on you sometimes. We have all seen how bad the broadcasts can get. Poor camera quality and operation, score overlays that are wrong or don't work, commentators who know nothing about the Dakota schools, blatant homers in the booth, sometimes it's the radio commentary, etc. It is easy to see why Midco wouldn't want to have their hands tied and slap their logo on whatever the home team puts up for a broadcast feed.
UND is dreaming to think a crew would follow their team around the country anytime soon, but they'll never get there without making it a goal. Maybe if they can become a national power the negotiations will go differently in the future.
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Post by Yote 53 on Jul 21, 2022 10:01:04 GMT -6
UND has the leverage of Midco broadcasting their hockey games in their negotiations. Whatever some here feel about that program it is a big deal and has a huge following.
That said, I don't see why Midco would send a crew to follow UND football around. First, it would tick off USD/SDSU to constantly get bumped. Second, how often does it happen that USD/SDSU/UND are all on the road on the same weekend at a place that is not in the Dakotas? Meaning, there is a high probability that one of our three teams will be playing in either Grand Forks, Fargo, Brookings, or Vermillion every Saturday where Midco can send a broadcast crew to do the game. No need to leave the Dakotas. Finally, sorry, but UND football isn't that big of a deal. I can make the case that USD and SDSU have larger followings.
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Post by fssd on Aug 5, 2022 12:36:13 GMT -6
www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/und-signs-expansive-television-rights-deal-with-midco-sports Here is the new contract for UND. I Think it helps USD and SDSU because they are now expanding into the Twin Cities. I Think it helped that St. Thomas is in the SL. Other details include - Broadcasting all UND MVFC games - minus MVFC game of the week. I believe that they would be looking to try and broadcast road nonconference games if possible. It looks like a very nice deal for UND. And this is in general a win from both USD and SDSU also.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 5, 2022 17:46:21 GMT -6
That is great to hear MidcoSN will be getting a channel on Comcast in the Twin Cities. Gives the Summit more visibility and an avenue for St Thomas to get on TV in their local market.
Big questions about MidcoSN airing all of UND's road fooyball games. I can't believe they agreed to do it. Will we now see less SD games broadcast because of this? I think the answer has to be 'yes' unless Midco is able to air different games in different markets (e.g. Midco ND & Midco SD). It's already bad enough when two games happen at once and one of them goes to MidcoSN 2. Airing 26 home basketball games in a season raises the same questions.
Is Midco happy to be in this situation or did they do this to guarantee they got the contract? How long until the SD schools demand the same treatment?
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Post by fssd on Aug 6, 2022 7:38:48 GMT -6
That is great to hear MidcoSN will be getting a channel on Comcast in the Twin Cities. Gives the Summit more visibility and an avenue for St Thomas to get on TV in their local market. Big questions about MidcoSN airing all of UND's road fooyball games. I can't believe they agreed to do it. Will we now see less SD games broadcast because of this? I think the answer has to be 'yes' unless Midco is able to air different games in different markets (e.g. Midco ND & Midco SD). It's already bad enough when two games happen at once and one of them goes to MidcoSN 2. Airing 26 home basketball games in a season raises the same questions. Is Midco happy to be in this situation or did they do this to guarantee they got the contract? How long until the SD schools demand the same treatment? I don't think you are going to see less coverage of UBD/UND/SDSU. I think you are going to see more. I think you are going to see noon, 3:30 and 7:00 games as in a full day of coverage and yes the use of both channels as needed MidcoSN and MidcoSN2. I really don't see a problem with this. The more successful MidcoSN is - the better it is for the 3 Dakota schools. To be honest, with Midco moving into the TC. I can see them signing up St. Thomas. Plus you have Augie hockey. MidcoSN is filling its sports schedule with compelling content. This is a good thing for everyone.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 6, 2022 8:37:32 GMT -6
Most MVFC games are played at around the same start time. It's difficult to see the whole conference coordinating kickoffs just so that people in the Dakotas can watch their team on cable.
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Post by fssd on Aug 6, 2022 10:56:44 GMT -6
Most MVFC games are played at around the same start time. It's difficult to see the whole conference coordinating kickoffs just so that people in the Dakotas can watch their team on cable. Hmm, not sure that is true looks like it varies from 11:00 to 3:00 most weeks. Early in the season numerous games starting @ 6:00. When you have three schools (two with Domes - so weather is not a concern late in the season) from one conference. I would think that there would be some coordination/leverage to increase the exposure for the schools (MVFC also wins - direct exposure in the MSP market - I am sure Drake (nonconference)/UNI/WIU don't mind). Plus, I think that it is up to the home team to determine start times Again, schools should be working with Midco to help make them be more successful. The more successful MidcoSN has is a good thing for all schools involved. Example with UND's contract Midco is moving into MSP. MSP is a strong college hockey market. UND is a known marketable asset for MidcoSN in this market. Now, USD and SDSU also get exposure in this market. It is a win/win situation.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 8, 2022 16:13:34 GMT -6
Most MVFC games are played at around the same start time. It's difficult to see the whole conference coordinating kickoffs just so that people in the Dakotas can watch their team on cable. Hmm, not sure that is true looks like it varies from 11:00 to 3:00 most weeks. Early in the season numerous games starting @ 6:00. When you have three schools (two with Domes - so weather is not a concern late in the season) from one conference. I would think that there would be some coordination/leverage to increase the exposure for the schools (MVFC also wins - direct exposure in the MSP market - I am sure Drake (nonconference)/UNI/WIU don't mind). Plus, I think that it is up to the home team to determine start times Again, schools should be working with Midco to help make them be more successful. The more successful MidcoSN has is a good thing for all schools involved. Example with UND's contract Midco is moving into MSP. MSP is a strong college hockey market. UND is a known marketable asset for MidcoSN in this market. Now, USD and SDSU also get exposure in this market. It is a win/win situation. I'm a couple days late getting back here. Conference play kickoffs are what is relevant, and I have listed them all below to see how things lineup in 2022. The grand majority of games do kickoff between 12 and 2:30 (31/38 games) and could cause broadcast slot issues. I have bolded any game that should fall under Midco coverage (games in Vermillion, Brookings, and all UND games). Week 1: 1, 2, 2, 3 Week 2: 12, 1, 2, 4, 6:30 Week 3: 12, 2, 2, 4, 5Week 4: 2, 2, 2:30, 4 (1 game TBA) Week 5: 12, 2, 3, 4 (1 game TBA) Week 6: 12, 1, 2, 2, 2:30, 3Week 7: 12, 1, 1, 2, 4 Week 8: 12, 1, 2, 2 (1 game TBA) Week 9: 11, 12, 12, 1, 2:30In this example, we have a maximum of 2 Midco games happening concurrently, which does happen 7 out of 9 weeks. There is somehow not a single Saturday where there is a game in both Vermillion and Brookings (something that happened 3 times last year). If there were a game in both Vermillion and Brookings on a given day then you would surely wind up with 3 games running concurrently. These schedules have been set for years in advance so it is wild to see something resembling coordination. So I guess this can work with light impact, so long as there is some kind of coordination with the league office. All future schedules need to be rewritten with Murray State joining. I hope the commissioner keeps Midco in mind while that happens.
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Post by nodak651 on Aug 8, 2022 23:22:45 GMT -6
That is great to hear MidcoSN will be getting a channel on Comcast in the Twin Cities. Gives the Summit more visibility and an avenue for St Thomas to get on TV in their local market. Big questions about MidcoSN airing all of UND's road fooyball games. I can't believe they agreed to do it. Will we now see less SD games broadcast because of this? I think the answer has to be 'yes' unless Midco is able to air different games in different markets (e.g. Midco ND & Midco SD). It's already bad enough when two games happen at once and one of them goes to MidcoSN 2. Airing 26 home basketball games in a season raises the same questions. Is Midco happy to be in this situation or did they do this to guarantee they got the contract? How long until the SD schools demand the same treatment? I don't think you are going to see less coverage of UBD/UND/SDSU. I think you are going to see more. I think you are going to see noon, 3:30 and 7:00 games as in a full day of coverage and yes the use of both channels as needed MidcoSN and MidcoSN2. I really don't see a problem with this. The more successful MidcoSN is - the better it is for the 3 Dakota schools. To be honest, with Midco moving into the TC. I can see them signing up St. Thomas. Plus you have Augie hockey. MidcoSN is filling its sports schedule with compelling content. This is a good thing for everyone. I agree. The signed contract also says that games can be distributed on their streaming platform, so I think that's where UND road games would go if there were a conflict with both SD schools playing at home. Most importantly, Midco's original proposal also stated that they were actively pursuing other affiliates, in addition to Comcast. The Comcast news is what I originally came to discuss, but you guys weren't very receptive. When is the official announcement? The day after the population at large acknowledges hockey as a mainstream sport.
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