Drake

[yotenation]

Dec 6, 2022 19:57:23 GMT -6 fightsd said:

This is giving me 2022 Coyote football vibes. Outmatched and looking disinterested. We are making this drake team look like a final four caliber squad and I don't think they are. Just look lazy out there. Getting beat where hard working teams wouldn't - rebounding, getting blown by on defense, etc. The way the Yotes are playing, the halftime result wouldn't be much different in most SL games.

I saw some real effort and fight in the first quarter, then in the second when Drake started to go on a run we just looked shell shocked. Kind of a "here we go again" look.

[kiyoat]

Dec 6, 2022 20:19:41 GMT -6 yotenation said:

Dec 6, 2022 19:57:23 GMT -6 fightsd said:

This is giving me 2022 Coyote football vibes. Outmatched and looking disinterested. We are making this drake team look like a final four caliber squad and I don't think they are. Just look lazy out there. Getting beat where hard working teams wouldn't - rebounding, getting blown by on defense, etc. The way the Yotes are playing, the halftime result wouldn't be much different in most SL games.

I saw some real effort and fight in the first quarter, then in the second when Drake started to go on a run we just looked shell shocked. Kind of a "here we go again" look.

And then we finished the 3rd +2. Not enough to get out of the hole, but I’m at least seeing improvement. Baby steps.

[hoopsmom]

They did pick it up in the last half of the third-quarter. I saw a bit more defense and some quicker passing and shooting. If you wait too long to take the shot, Drake will defend you. You have to take it when they’re not expecting you to. I think they like a little bit of the confidence to take that shot and rather foul, though.

[kiyoat]

Drake is a well-oiled machine right now….and we aren’t. Very good ball movement, heady players, they know exactly what they want to do, and how to get there. I miss that.

[yote18]

For whatever reason we play well for 3 quarters and then just melt down in one them. In almost every game there has been one quarter where our opponents just run us over and hold us down and then we are competitive in the others. Unfortunately for us this has been exposed now multiple times and other teams now have plenty of film.

As others have said we knew this year was going to be different. But if I recall it’s because we didn’t think we’d have the scoring power we at least knew we were semi sound defensively. Ironically we have the scoring potential but don’t have a sound defense. Part of that is a new coach, new floor leaders, injuries etc. But it does strike me odd that even our remaining upper class players have also seemingly forgotten dawns defensive principals. I get its a new coaching staff, but isn’t the reason we went with Kayla because it was a little bit of continuity on that front?

[sdyotefan]

Don't think I've ever seen so many layups by one team (60 points in the paint). When you constantly give up the easiest score in BB it's going to be tough. We stand on O and they are in constant motion when they have the ball. They start 4 seniors. Not sure why we started out trying to run with them with us having a short bench. We played better D and O in 2nd half.

A lot of hard lessons which I think this team will learn from. Keep working hard and learning ladies!!

[elcoyote]

Dec 6, 2022 19:57:23 GMT -6 fightsd said:

This is giving me 2022 Coyote football vibes. Outmatched and looking disinterested. We are making this drake team look like a final four caliber squad and I don't think they are. Just look lazy out there. Getting beat where hard working teams wouldn't - rebounding, getting blown by on defense, etc. The way the Yotes are playing, the halftime result wouldn't be much different in most SL games.

Completely disagree with this. Drake has all five starters back and is definitely quicker, more polished and more experienced, but I don't perceive any lack of effort from the 'Yotes. We're putting players on the floor who've never set foot in a college game before this season including one who should still be a senior in high school. The Bulldogs would blow through the Summit with the possible exception of the bunnies, but even that would probably be a good matchup. 

[fightsd]

Dec 6, 2022 23:03:15 GMT -6 elcoyote said:

Dec 6, 2022 19:57:23 GMT -6 fightsd said:

This is giving me 2022 Coyote football vibes. Outmatched and looking disinterested. We are making this drake team look like a final four caliber squad and I don't think they are. Just look lazy out there. Getting beat where hard working teams wouldn't - rebounding, getting blown by on defense, etc. The way the Yotes are playing, the halftime result wouldn't be much different in most SL games.

Completely disagree with this. Drake has all five starters back and is definitely quicker, more polished and more experienced, but I don't perceive any lack of effort from the 'Yotes. We're putting players on the floor who've never set foot in a college game before this season including one who should still be a senior in high school. The Bulldogs would blow through the Summit with the possible exception of the bunnies, but even that would probably be a good matchup. 

Did you watch the game? Standing on defense while their girls were cutting in the lane for easy buckets. More points in transition than I could keep up with. They scored 60 points in the paint. It's not like they made 20 shots from behind the arc, they scored basically all of their points within 3 feet of the bucket. That's a lazy defensive effort.

Drake is a good team, but not as far ahead of our conference as you think. If the Yotes play like they did today, there will be multiple SL teams that do the same thing to them.

[elcoyote]

Dec 6, 2022 23:35:24 GMT -6 fightsd said:

Dec 6, 2022 23:03:15 GMT -6 elcoyote said:

Completely disagree with this. Drake has all five starters back and is definitely quicker, more polished and more experienced, but I don't perceive any lack of effort from the 'Yotes. We're putting players on the floor who've never set foot in a college game before this season including one who should still be a senior in high school. The Bulldogs would blow through the Summit with the possible exception of the bunnies, but even that would probably be a good matchup. 

Did you watch the game? Standing on defense while their girls were cutting in the lane for easy buckets. More points in transition than I could keep up with. They scored 60 points in the paint. It's not like they made 20 shots from behind the arc, they scored basically all of their points within 3 feet of the bucket. That's a lazy defensive effort.

Drake is a good team, but not as far ahead of our conference as you think. If the Yotes play like they did today, there will be multiple SL teams that do the same thing to them.

Yeah, I watched it. You claim disinterested which I think is a load of crap. And yeah, I saw the backdoor cuts, the slow rotations with Drake taking advantage, help, but slow to recover, overplaying when two passes away, but all that comes with experience.Have to do it without even thinking about it. As someone said, Drake is an experienced well-oiled machine right now, We're not. Doubt that the Summit has few, if any, teams like this. If you're expecting last year's team just skip this season and come back in a few years.  

[soofooyote]

Ten things wrong with the Coyotes. You can decide if it's lack of effort, coaching, inexperience, age, athleticism, talent, or all of the above. Bottom line is this is a .500 team in the Summit this year AT BEST. I'll take a 5 seed as a solid season for this group. This team has potential, but they need leadership, they need to get stronger, more experienced, and to gain confidence and an identity. I'll continue to support and cheer them on, but I will also watch with a critical eye. We have one of the best mid-major programs in the country, we should have expectations, albeit reasonable ones.

1. Not boxing out.
2. Not getting back on defense.
3. Lazy defensive rotations.
4. No movement on offense.
5. Poor screening on offense.
6. No confidence to take open shots.
7. No floor leadership.
8. Tons of individual play and very little cohesion and continuity on offense.
9. Fouling due to poor defensive positioning.
10. Turning the ball over due to poor offensive rotation.

[yotenation]

Dec 7, 2022 8:12:34 GMT -6 soofooyote said:

Ten things wrong with the Coyotes. You can decide if it's lack of effort, coaching, inexperience, age, athleticism, talent, or all of the above. Bottom line is this is a .500 team in the Summit this year AT BEST. I'll take a 5 seed as a solid season for this group. This team has potential, but they need leadership, they need to get stronger, more experienced, and to gain confidence and an identity. I'll continue to support and cheer them on, but I will also watch with a critical eye. We have one of the best mid-major programs in the country, we should have expectations, albeit reasonable ones.

1. Not boxing out.
2. Not getting back on defense.
3. Lazy defensive rotations.
4. No movement on offense.
5. Poor screening on offense.
6. No confidence to take open shots.
7. No floor leadership.
8. Tons of individual play and very little cohesion and continuity on offense.
9. Fouling due to poor defensive positioning.
10. Turning the ball over due to poor offensive rotation.

I agree with some of this, at least to a degree. I'm hoping that with more experience playing together, we will see some improvement in some of this.

I'd also note that this even with improvement in these areas, there are some real limitations with these team that have nothing to do with effort or experience or anything like that

First, there is a lack of athleticism. Who on this team is really super athletic? Larkins I guess. I don't think there is much in terms of elite athleticism here.

Second, post defense will be a problem all year. Ugofsky gives great effort but she's undersized and will struggle with good post players. She just will. Demers is strong and aggressive and is going to be a good one. But she's very young and raw right now, with a tendency to get in foul trouble. She will improve but it's gonna take time. Beyond that, we essentially have no post defenders (this is where the loss of Peplowski really hurts). Hayden is a liability on the court right now. It may help to get Mazurek back, but I don't think she's ever been a particularly good defender. But at least she has size.

Injuries are part of the game, but this is a team that could ill afford significant losses like those of Peplowski, Grange, and Bergstrom. This roster just doesn't have enough talent, depth, or experience to easily overcome those things.

Karius is going to have to prove her coaching chops this year. This team really lacks confidence and cohesion right now, in addition to the size/talent/depth limitations. When the opposing team goes on a run they tend to let it snowball. I'm still hopeful that we will see improvement as the year goes on but time will tell. They could really use a shot of confidence right now. It's hard to play with the kind of aggression, effort, and calm that is necessary when you are doubting yourself. Right now this team doubts themselves.

[Men's League Waterboy]

Again, that Drake team would play with ANY team the Coyotes have ever had.

Still, I wholeheartedly agree that the defensive effort out of many of the kids seeing the floor is not up to a baseline standard regardless of the physical capabilities.

[fightsd]

Dec 6, 2022 23:54:09 GMT -6 elcoyote said:

Dec 6, 2022 23:35:24 GMT -6 fightsd said:

Did you watch the game? Standing on defense while their girls were cutting in the lane for easy buckets. More points in transition than I could keep up with. They scored 60 points in the paint. It's not like they made 20 shots from behind the arc, they scored basically all of their points within 3 feet of the bucket. That's a lazy defensive effort.

Drake is a good team, but not as far ahead of our conference as you think. If the Yotes play like they did today, there will be multiple SL teams that do the same thing to them.

Yeah, I watched it. You claim disinterested which I think is a load of crap. And yeah, I saw the backdoor cuts, the slow rotations with Drake taking advantage, help, but slow to recover, overplaying when two passes away, but all that comes with experience.Have to do it without even thinking about it. As someone said, Drake is an experienced well-oiled machine right now, We're not. Doubt that the Summit has few, if any, teams like this. If you're expecting last year's team just skip this season and come back in a few years.  

Nobody was expecting last year's team. We all knew there were going to be growing pains. Last night's showing was not a result of being just out classed in terms of talent and experience. Does Drake have more experience than our squad? Duh. But when it started rolling down hill, the team collectively retreated and just looked like they wanted it to be over. I just wanted to see some fight. A leader needs to emerge somewhere.

It's ok to be critical of bad performances.

[Men's League Waterboy]

Dec 7, 2022 10:05:56 GMT -6 fightsd said:

Dec 6, 2022 23:54:09 GMT -6 elcoyote said:

Yeah, I watched it. You claim disinterested which I think is a load of crap. And yeah, I saw the backdoor cuts, the slow rotations with Drake taking advantage, help, but slow to recover, overplaying when two passes away, but all that comes with experience.Have to do it without even thinking about it. As someone said, Drake is an experienced well-oiled machine right now, We're not. Doubt that the Summit has few, if any, teams like this. If you're expecting last year's team just skip this season and come back in a few years.  

Nobody was expecting last year's team. We all knew there were going to be growing pains. Last night's showing was not a result of being just out classed in terms of talent and experience. Does Drake have more experience than our squad? Duh. But when it started rolling down hill, the team collectively retreated and just looked like they wanted it to be over. I just wanted to see some fight. A leader needs to emerge somewhere.

It's ok to be critical of bad performances.

Couldn't agree more with this. I don't much care about stats or plus/minus when a game is over at halftime. But I do care about fight and leadership ... and there were some moments last night where I was questioning where either was going to come from this season. 

[soofooyote]

One last comment on this topic before I move on....If you take any team in the country, remove their entire coaching staff, 8 of their 9 best players, and then send them out on the court, what would your reasonable expectations be? This team has been dealt a nearly unrecoverable hand, but they are still out there playing. Let's give them a little grace...but we're going to need a lot of Grace if we're going to win!