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Post by thebisonator on Apr 28, 2012 17:52:34 GMT -6
Joe Mays is a starting LB for the Broncos. He was drafted in the 5th round in 2008, I believe. He just recieved a new contract worth $7 million I believe it was. Former Bills D linemen and former Bison Phil Hansen (1990-2000 - Buffalo) was at the Draft last night to announce the Bills' 2nd round pick. Stacey Robinson won 2 Super Bowls with the Giants. Tyrone Braxton won the same amount of Super Bowls with the Broncos. Steve Nelson played for like a decade with the Patriots. There are many more Bison in the NFL I cannot remember off the top of my head at the moment. Which one of their jersey's are you wearing today? ...... Any autographed memorabilia in your personal collection? That would be really cool. I'm not wearing any jerseys today, but I am friends with Joe Mays and another guy I just remembered, Craig Dahl, he's a starting safety with the Rams. Although I haven't talked to them in a few years. Last time I saw Joe was at the downtown Fargo Wells Fargo bank in 2009, he was most likely depositing one of his first checks from the Eagles (the team that drafted him).
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Post by usdfbalum on Apr 28, 2012 18:15:01 GMT -6
Which one of their jersey's are you wearing today? ...... Any autographed memorabilia in your personal collection? That would be really cool. I'm not wearing any jerseys today, but I am friends with Joe Mays and another guy I just remembered, Craig Dahl, he's a starting safety with the Rams. Although I haven't talked to them in a few years. Last time I saw Joe was at the downtown Fargo Wells Fargo bank in 2009, he was most likely depositing one of his first checks from the Eagles (the team that drafted him). That pretty much says it all....
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 28, 2012 23:42:04 GMT -6
It's about time there is some passion being shown on these boards. People shouldn't be warned for being passionate, they should be Exalted.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Apr 29, 2012 0:33:32 GMT -6
Are you kidding me? This is the crap you try to argue? UND has a bigger athletic budget than NDSU.....so what!! NDSU won championships when UNI was the same division....when USD was the same division.....nice try. We are 18-25 against UNI over the years....1-3 since we going the MV. What does UNI have to do with this thread? Plus get your facts straight about how and when D2 programs funded themselves. NDSU moved up when schools like Winona State-Moorhead State and others moved up and wanted schollies reduced to compete because they could not fund their own. Using the Gophers as an example??? They still have 85 scholarships the last time I checked.....so did Kansas, Central Michigan and Ball State. Have you forgot that USD also beat that same Gopher team. NDSU is 5-3 against FBS schools....not too bad. Since you know so much about FB tradition then explain USD's to me. How many national titles? How many conference championships? How many playoff wins? or games for that matter. How many winning seasons? Record against the Bison? I'm sure you'll enlighten me on this...... Keep feeling good beating programs that are less funded - bottom line! Iowa State should move to the MVFC along with Kansas and then maybe they could win the Championship like NDSU. They could start a 50 year reign of dominance. Your UND comparison in regards to sport budget is glaringly flawed because of Hockey - you know that! Otherwise theirs is much lower than NDSU. You are right - USD beat Minnesota - and so did NDSU - SDSU came close. The reason that victory was of note was it was against a program with superior funding. That is why your fans had such a hard-on when you beat them two of the last three match-ups. The Bison beat a better funded larger program. That is a feeling though lacking for you guys at the FCS level. Move your program up to the MWC and your winning tradition would look like Wyoming's. The past administrations at USD have been asleep at the wheel for the better part of the last 25 years. Those days are over. The transition will be a challenge for sure - the MVFC is brutal. That being said - prepare for the Coyotes to do their best to kick your team's teeth in that Saturday. Go to Bisonville if you want to bask in your mutual admiration society. Arkansas is one of the best funded football programs in the nation. How are they doing in that national scale in the last 25 years? In defense of NDSU, it's not just having the budget but knowing how to use it as well and bringing in the right people to lead the team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 5:11:18 GMT -6
Keep feeling good beating programs that are less funded - bottom line! Iowa State should move to the MVFC along with Kansas and then maybe they could win the Championship like NDSU. They could start a 50 year reign of dominance. Your UND comparison in regards to sport budget is glaringly flawed because of Hockey - you know that! Otherwise theirs is much lower than NDSU. You are right - USD beat Minnesota - and so did NDSU - SDSU came close. The reason that victory was of note was it was against a program with superior funding. That is why your fans had such a hard-on when you beat them two of the last three match-ups. The Bison beat a better funded larger program. That is a feeling though lacking for you guys at the FCS level. Move your program up to the MWC and your winning tradition would look like Wyoming's. The past administrations at USD have been asleep at the wheel for the better part of the last 25 years. Those days are over. The transition will be a challenge for sure - the MVFC is brutal. That being said - prepare for the Coyotes to do their best to kick your team's teeth in that Saturday. Go to Bisonville if you want to bask in your mutual admiration society. Arkansas is one of the best funded football programs in the nation. How are they doing in that national scale in the last 25 years? In defense of NDSU, it's not just having the budget but knowing how to use it as well and bringing in the right people to lead the team. I have to agree with Coyote#1. NDSU has had some low points, like with the guy who followed Ron Erhart, Erv something, he had two losing seasons in a row and he was gone, also others such as the guy who is with the Chicago Bears. I can recall his name either, but fortunate to be friends with Lovie Smith of NFL Bears and still there, I believe. I do give the admin at NDSU credit for keeping their program on track. When you dont have success winning the resources start to dry up except at Arkansas, where they are heavily endowed with old money.
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Post by bisoninnwmn on Apr 29, 2012 7:19:24 GMT -6
Keep feeling good beating programs that are less funded - bottom line! Iowa State should move to the MVFC along with Kansas and then maybe they could win the Championship like NDSU. They could start a 50 year reign of dominance. Your UND comparison in regards to sport budget is glaringly flawed because of Hockey - you know that! Otherwise theirs is much lower than NDSU. You are right - USD beat Minnesota - and so did NDSU - SDSU came close. The reason that victory was of note was it was against a program with superior funding. That is why your fans had such a hard-on when you beat them two of the last three match-ups. The Bison beat a better funded larger program. That is a feeling though lacking for you guys at the FCS level. Move your program up to the MWC and your winning tradition would look like Wyoming's. The past administrations at USD have been asleep at the wheel for the better part of the last 25 years. Those days are over. The transition will be a challenge for sure - the MVFC is brutal. That being said - prepare for the Coyotes to do their best to kick your team's teeth in that Saturday. Go to Bisonville if you want to bask in your mutual admiration society. Arkansas is one of the best funded football programs in the nation. How are they doing in that national scale in the last 25 years? In defense of NDSU, it's not just having the budget but knowing how to use it as well and bringing in the right people to lead the team. Do you think your analogy is comparable to USD? Arkansas is a premier D1 program in the SEC with a huge athletic endowment. Total apples and oranges.
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Post by usdfbalum on Apr 29, 2012 7:54:27 GMT -6
Arkansas is one of the best funded football programs in the nation. How are they doing in that national scale in the last 25 years? In defense of NDSU, it's not just having the budget but knowing how to use it as well and bringing in the right people to lead the team. Do you think your analogy is comparable to USD? Arkansas is a premier D1 program in the SEC with a huge athletic endowment. Total apples and oranges. It takes more than just financial support for sure. If your athletic department has an inadequate budget that will not work though. There is a basic cost to run a fully funded athletic department and SD is not there yet. Look at the consistent FCS top 10-25 programs. Those schools have coaches and administrators that are committed and budgets that are competitive to give the necessary tools to win. IMO SD has an AD staff and coaching staff for football that is committed. Fully funding the program will help.
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Post by usdfbalum on Apr 29, 2012 8:12:22 GMT -6
Keep feeling good beating programs that are less funded - bottom line! Iowa State should move to the MVFC along with Kansas and then maybe they could win the Championship like NDSU. They could start a 50 year reign of dominance. Your UND comparison in regards to sport budget is glaringly flawed because of Hockey - you know that! Otherwise theirs is much lower than NDSU. You are right - USD beat Minnesota - and so did NDSU - SDSU came close. The reason that victory was of note was it was against a program with superior funding. That is why your fans had such a hard-on when you beat them two of the last three match-ups. The Bison beat a better funded larger program. That is a feeling though lacking for you guys at the FCS level. Move your program up to the MWC and your winning tradition would look like Wyoming's. The past administrations at USD have been asleep at the wheel for the better part of the last 25 years. Those days are over. The transition will be a challenge for sure - the MVFC is brutal. That being said - prepare for the Coyotes to do their best to kick your team's teeth in that Saturday. Go to Bisonville if you want to bask in your mutual admiration society. Arkansas is one of the best funded football programs in the nation. How are they doing in that national scale in the last 25 years? In defense of NDSU, it's not just having the budget but knowing how to use it as well and bringing in the right people to lead the team. The old "it's not the size, it's how you use it" philosophy - maybe.... If that is the case NDSU should be jumping up to the BCS immediately. Their budget would be small at that level but their acumen would overcome that. In all seriousness - I think NDSU is ready for that level and would make a very successful transition to the WAC-MAC-even the MWC. NDSU would grow their resources and interest at that level as well. SD has a lot to do to get into a position of power as the ever changing conference and division alignments of NCAA athletics change. I certainly do not want SD on the outside looking in if NDSU lures SDSU up another level again.
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Post by jackjd on Apr 29, 2012 11:32:41 GMT -6
...if NDSU lures SDSU up another level again. Add to your list of accomplishments: comedy writer. Congrats!
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Apr 29, 2012 13:51:52 GMT -6
Arkansas is one of the best funded football programs in the nation. How are they doing in that national scale in the last 25 years? In defense of NDSU, it's not just having the budget but knowing how to use it as well and bringing in the right people to lead the team. Do you think your analogy is comparable to USD? Arkansas is a premier D1 program in the SEC with a huge athletic endowment. Total apples and oranges. I wasn't comparing it to USD you idiot and Arkansas is not a premier D1 program in the SEC you idiot. They finally cracked the top 5 for the first time since the 1970s and were still just the third best team in the SEC. I was saying, if you have the money, you also have to know how to use it in terms of facilities and coaches and keeping the fan base. Use your head a little bit.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Apr 29, 2012 13:55:29 GMT -6
Arkansas is one of the best funded football programs in the nation. How are they doing in that national scale in the last 25 years? In defense of NDSU, it's not just having the budget but knowing how to use it as well and bringing in the right people to lead the team. The old "it's not the size, it's how you use it" philosophy - maybe.... If that is the case NDSU should be jumping up to the BCS immediately. Their budget would be small at that level but their acumen would overcome that. In all seriousness - I think NDSU is ready for that level and would make a very successful transition to the WAC-MAC-even the MWC. NDSU would grow their resources and interest at that level as well. SD has a lot to do to get into a position of power as the ever changing conference and division alignments of NCAA athletics change. I certainly do not want SD on the outside looking in if NDSU lures SDSU up another level again. I think you completely overestimate how big the jump up is to the next level. Remember Marshall used to compete at a high level and can no longer do that. Boise State is the major exception. You can be jealous about NDSU's budget all you want, but they are an FCS probram, they are not an FBS program I feel. If that were true, Villanova, UNI and Montana should all have moved up a decade ago, honestly.
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Post by usdfbalum on Apr 29, 2012 15:00:05 GMT -6
The old "it's not the size, it's how you use it" philosophy - maybe.... If that is the case NDSU should be jumping up to the BCS immediately. Their budget would be small at that level but their acumen would overcome that. In all seriousness - I think NDSU is ready for that level and would make a very successful transition to the WAC-MAC-even the MWC. NDSU would grow their resources and interest at that level as well. SD has a lot to do to get into a position of power as the ever changing conference and division alignments of NCAA athletics change. I certainly do not want SD on the outside looking in if NDSU lures SDSU up another level again. I think you completely overestimate how big the jump up is to the next level. Remember Marshall used to compete at a high level and can no longer do that. Boise State is the major exception. You can be jealous about NDSU's budget all you want, but they are an FCS probram, they are not an FBS program I feel. If that were true, Villanova, UNI and Montana should all have moved up a decade ago, honestly. Just pointing out their huge advantage over every other school they play in their conference. How often does a school move up from D2 to a FCS conference (one of the strongest FCS conferences by the way) and in the first year have the biggest budget and revenue? NDSU's FB budget immediately was the largest. That is an advantage and they have had it for a long time. I do not have data available to me on Villanova in regards to FB specific budget - their attendance and alumni interest in FB is behind the other schools you mentioned. UNI is in a much different situation competing in-state with the Hawkeyes and Cyclones. The political sentiment in IA seems a major challenge for them to move up. If you have watched them and then watched a MAC game - there is little talent differential. Give UNI 20 more scholarships and my money is on them. Montana - are you kidding me. Give them 20 more scholarships and they will compete in the WAC for sure - immediately. They have a better game-day experience than many of the BCS locations I have been. Sometimes people forget that that extra money can make a huge difference: Players day to day are most impacted by their position coaches. Lower funded teams really miss out there. They often have fewer paid coaches, overall lower compensated coaches, and often times less experienced coaches. When NDSU can hire UNI's D coordinator - make him a position coach - and at the same time give him a raise, that is a big deal. If I am jealous of anything it is the fact that ND residents more often than SD residents have pride and support their Universities. As a matter of fact when I travel to ND for work they are more interested in what is going on with SD athletics than people I know in SF that are alumni. All that being said, I know SD has improved a lot and will continue to make strides. It is going to take a funding increase to compete consistently with the best of FCS. It is up to all of us to dig deep and do what we can to give our teams a chance. Get people to donate to Howling Pack and come to games needs to happen or the programs will not get the consistent results we want. It would be ridiculous for SD fans to go on a Drake FB board and talk about how dominant we are against them. It is just as ridiculous for NDSU fans to come on here beating their chests talking about their long dominance over SD. More often than not you get what you pay for. The last 25 years are indicative of that.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Apr 29, 2012 17:16:34 GMT -6
I think you completely overestimate how big the jump up is to the next level. Remember Marshall used to compete at a high level and can no longer do that. Boise State is the major exception. You can be jealous about NDSU's budget all you want, but they are an FCS probram, they are not an FBS program I feel. If that were true, Villanova, UNI and Montana should all have moved up a decade ago, honestly. Just pointing out their huge advantage over every other school they play in their conference. How often does a school move up from D2 to a FCS conference (one of the strongest FCS conferences by the way) and in the first year have the biggest budget and revenue? NDSU's FB budget immediately was the largest. That is an advantage and they have had it for a long time. I do not have data available to me on Villanova in regards to FB specific budget - their attendance and alumni interest in FB is behind the other schools you mentioned. UNI is in a much different situation competing in-state with the Hawkeyes and Cyclones. The political sentiment in IA seems a major challenge for them to move up. If you have watched them and then watched a MAC game - there is little talent differential. Give UNI 20 more scholarships and my money is on them. Montana - are you kidding me. Give them 20 more scholarships and they will compete in the WAC for sure - immediately. They have a better game-day experience than many of the BCS locations I have been. Sometimes people forget that that extra money can make a huge difference: Players day to day are most impacted by their position coaches. Lower funded teams really miss out there. They often have fewer paid coaches, overall lower compensated coaches, and often times less experienced coaches. When NDSU can hire UNI's D coordinator - make him a position coach - and at the same time give him a raise, that is a big deal. If I am jealous of anything it is the fact that ND residents more often than SD residents have pride and support their Universities. As a matter of fact when I travel to ND for work they are more interested in what is going on with SD athletics than people I know in SF that are alumni. All that being said, I know SD has improved a lot and will continue to make strides. It is going to take a funding increase to compete consistently with the best of FCS. It is up to all of us to dig deep and do what we can to give our teams a chance. Get people to donate to Howling Pack and come to games needs to happen or the programs will not get the consistent results we want. It would be ridiculous for SD fans to go on a Drake FB board and talk about how dominant we are against them. It is just as ridiculous for NDSU fans to come on here beating their chests talking about their long dominance over SD. More often than not you get what you pay for. The last 25 years are indicative of that. No crap they would compete in the WAC, but that means NOTHING absolutely NOTHING. The WAC is no longer considered a legit program at the FBS level. The Sun Belt is way more legit than the WAC. Seriously, think a little on this. Of course it takes a budget, but it's what you do with that budget. Alabama had a great budget for years and never sniffed the title. How is Texas doing with their huge budget? When was the last time Ohio State won a title? Oregon is finally figuring out how to use the Nike money. Oklahoma State has always had money but finally are winning against since Barry Sanders. It takes the right people with the budget as well. Also, didn't Joe Glenn come from NDSU and lead them to a title in D-II? All this hate for NDSU, love it for a rivalry, but the I don't like stupid comments for pure hate that go with it sometimes.
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Post by usdfbalum on Apr 29, 2012 17:50:45 GMT -6
Just pointing out their huge advantage over every other school they play in their conference. How often does a school move up from D2 to a FCS conference (one of the strongest FCS conferences by the way) and in the first year have the biggest budget and revenue? NDSU's FB budget immediately was the largest. That is an advantage and they have had it for a long time. I do not have data available to me on Villanova in regards to FB specific budget - their attendance and alumni interest in FB is behind the other schools you mentioned. UNI is in a much different situation competing in-state with the Hawkeyes and Cyclones. The political sentiment in IA seems a major challenge for them to move up. If you have watched them and then watched a MAC game - there is little talent differential. Give UNI 20 more scholarships and my money is on them. Montana - are you kidding me. Give them 20 more scholarships and they will compete in the WAC for sure - immediately. They have a better game-day experience than many of the BCS locations I have been. Sometimes people forget that that extra money can make a huge difference: Players day to day are most impacted by their position coaches. Lower funded teams really miss out there. They often have fewer paid coaches, overall lower compensated coaches, and often times less experienced coaches. When NDSU can hire UNI's D coordinator - make him a position coach - and at the same time give him a raise, that is a big deal. If I am jealous of anything it is the fact that ND residents more often than SD residents have pride and support their Universities. As a matter of fact when I travel to ND for work they are more interested in what is going on with SD athletics than people I know in SF that are alumni. All that being said, I know SD has improved a lot and will continue to make strides. It is going to take a funding increase to compete consistently with the best of FCS. It is up to all of us to dig deep and do what we can to give our teams a chance. Get people to donate to Howling Pack and come to games needs to happen or the programs will not get the consistent results we want. It would be ridiculous for SD fans to go on a Drake FB board and talk about how dominant we are against them. It is just as ridiculous for NDSU fans to come on here beating their chests talking about their long dominance over SD. More often than not you get what you pay for. The last 25 years are indicative of that. No crap they would compete in the WAC, but that means NOTHING absolutely NOTHING. The WAC is no longer considered a legit program at the FBS level. The Sun Belt is way more legit than the WAC. Seriously, think a little on this. Of course it takes a budget, but it's what you do with that budget. Alabama had a great budget for years and never sniffed the title. How is Texas doing with their huge budget? When was the last time Ohio State won a title? Oregon is finally figuring out how to use the Nike money. Oklahoma State has always had money but finally are winning against since Barry Sanders. It takes the right people with the budget as well. Also, didn't Joe Glenn come from NDSU and lead them to a title in D-II? All this hate for NDSU, love it for a rivalry, but the I don't like stupid comments for pure hate that go with it sometimes. Stupid comments ? You may want to check yourself. The WAC, MAC, and Sun Belt are in a higher division of division 1 athletics currently- you are wrong. 11 MAC players were drafted in the 2012 NFL Draft - 0 from MVFC BTW Joe Glenn was at Northern Colorado and Montana. Saying Alabama and any other fully funded BCS program struggled with lots of money is meaningless. SD does not even have the basic funding in place. My initial problem with NDSU is the following: not the fact that they have resources - I take offense to Bison Posters gloating on a SD board about how good they are compared to SD when their resources are superior. They have been in this position for years and the predictible outcome of dominating a conference of much less financially equipped opponents is less impressive than if they played against teams that were more in their same financial ballpark. I take offense to your attack on me. Come see me in person and call me stupid.
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Post by bisoninnwmn on Apr 29, 2012 17:57:31 GMT -6
Do you think your analogy is comparable to USD? Arkansas is a premier D1 program in the SEC with a huge athletic endowment. Total apples and oranges. I wasn't comparing it to USD you idiot and Arkansas is not a premier D1 program in the SEC you idiot. They finally cracked the top 5 for the first time since the 1970s and were still just the third best team in the SEC. I was saying, if you have the money, you also have to know how to use it in terms of facilities and coaches and keeping the fan base. Use your head a little bit. Nice name calling buddy! Idiot, huh! Do alittle research on Arkansas. Have they won multiple national championships like Alabama...no, but they are a premier SEC team. Lou Holtz took them to 6 consecutive bowls and was 60-21. Frank Broyles before him won the national championship in '64. Petrino was 34-17 with them. $$$ you say. What FCS team has unlimited funds for athletics?.....zero. Your comparison with elite 1A teams is way off. But, whatever.
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