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Post by yotemeal on Mar 1, 2013 8:16:58 GMT -6
Creighton is reportedly (and not surprisingly) gone to the newly formed Catholic conference, which is maintaining the Big East name. Where's the next domino? Things could get real interesting. One thing that is certain: USD will not gain an invite to the MVC without a new arena. Time is of the essence. Donors need to step up and stretch a little to make this thing happen sooner rather than later. We don't build arenas every day.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 1, 2013 19:23:59 GMT -6
If this arena gets built at least the question of a MVC caliber basketball/volleyball facility will be no longer.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Mar 2, 2013 0:04:27 GMT -6
Well losing Creighton is also a blow to the MVC, so the question really is, is this conference is as strong as people in the Midwest make it out to be? Apparently not.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 2, 2013 0:39:48 GMT -6
Well losing Creighton is also a blow to the MVC, so the question really is, is this conference is as strong as people in the Midwest make it out to be? Apparently not. The Missouri Valley is a mid major Conference. The Big East is a Major Conference, at least before all the dominos started to fall. Creighton going to the Big East does not reflect poorly on the MVC I actually think it reflects positively that one of their members is jumping up in the college basketball totum pole.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Mar 2, 2013 2:04:57 GMT -6
Actually, it's the new Big East, which is a mid-major since it doesn't have any football schools at the moment. Having St. John's, Marquete, Georgetown and comp. without any football to speak of smells of mid-major right now.
This does reflect poorly because they just snagged the most traditional and well-known team of the MVC. While it is a move up, they showed the MVC isn't untouchable and just weakened the conference by taking its best member over the past 20 years.
Losing a team is never a good thing for a conference. You never hear a school go, YES that team moved up and left us behind. Good for them! Never.
And by that standard, shouldn't that show how STRONG Conference USA is since Tulane jumped to what used to be the original Big East? No? It doesn't? Oh.
Like A Few Good Men once said "All you did was weaken a nation today Caffey."
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Post by sdsportsfan2010 on Mar 2, 2013 18:18:57 GMT -6
Actually, it's the new Big East, which is a mid-major since it doesn't have any football schools at the moment. Having St. John's, Marquete, Georgetown and comp. without any football to speak of smells of mid-major right now. This does reflect poorly because they just snagged the most traditional and well-known team of the MVC. While it is a move up, they showed the MVC isn't untouchable and just weakened the conference by taking its best member over the past 20 years. Losing a team is never a good thing for a conference. You never hear a school go, YES that team moved up and left us behind. Good for them! Never. And by that standard, shouldn't that show how STRONG Conference USA is since Tulane jumped to what used to be the original Big East? No? It doesn't? Oh. Like A Few Good Men once said "All you did was weaken a nation today Caffey." Youre saying the new catholic 7 is going to be a mid major?
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Mar 2, 2013 20:38:21 GMT -6
They definitely aren't a power conference. If the Catholic 7 were in existence right now, 2 of the teams would make the NCAA tournament. Creighton is making a play for the tourney again so that would make 3 out of 8. Butler is a borderline team but Saint Louis is winning the A-10. So 4 teams.
Georgetown is clearly the best team in the new Big East/Catholic 7, but the rest are top of the line mid-majors at best. Only three of these teams have competed for a national title in the last 25 years with a total of four chances. Butler with two national title appearances and Georgetown making the Final Four in 2007. Villanova made the Final Four in 2009.
This isn't a powerhouse conference by any means and takes a bunch of mid-major teams and puts them in a conference that screams mid-major despite what Fox Sports is saying with it's paychecks. It seems a lot like an Atlantic 10/bottom half of the Big East mashup more than anything.
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Post by jackjd on Mar 2, 2013 21:21:32 GMT -6
I think Creighton may stay in the MVC...there are all kinds of rumors floating around including one that some of the New Big East Presidents are asking questions about the non-revenue sports and the increase in cost if they have to travel to Omaha. Fortunately for Creighton, Omaha is one of the easier cities to reach by air, usually at competitive prices.
This is an interesting story to watch.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 2, 2013 21:36:26 GMT -6
I would call 3 out of 8 making the tourney a power conference. I guess we may disagree but I would consider the new Big East a powerful conference. It also depends what Cincinnati and U-Conn do. If they stay in, it's definately a power conference.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Mar 2, 2013 21:40:30 GMT -6
Having 8 teams automatically makes you not a power conference, basically.
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Post by sdsportsfan2010 on Mar 3, 2013 7:27:54 GMT -6
Having 8 teams automatically makes you not a power conference, basically. So then we'll be seeing Georgetown and Marquette in the Mid Major Poll next year since they will be a Mid Major Conference? Just because there are only 8 teams in the conference, doesnt make them Mid Major. Its not quantity, its quality.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 3, 2013 7:53:37 GMT -6
Huh? There are going to be 9 teams in the new Big East...
DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, and Villanova -- with Xavier and Butler joining the mix.
G-town and Marquette are locks. Nova has a chance, as does Butler.
It wasn't that long ago that g-town, marquette, nova, butler, xavier, seton hall and st. johns were in the tourney. This is a power conference, and I don't even think it is a question. I am pretty sure every team in the new conference has made the tourney at least once, if not more, in the last decade.
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Post by yotemeal on Mar 3, 2013 10:59:49 GMT -6
Huh? There are going to be 9 teams in the new Big East... DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, and Villanova -- with Xavier and Butler joining the mix. G-town and Marquette are locks. Nova has a chance, as does Butler. It wasn't that long ago that g-town, marquette, nova, butler, xavier, seton hall and st. johns were in the tourney. This is a power conference, and I don't even think it is a question. I am pretty sure every team in the new conference has made the tourney at least once, if not more, in the last decade. Concur. I guess I jumped to the conclusion Creighton is a lock. Without Creighton, the MVC remains a "better" overall conference than the Summit, especially in terms of fan interest, facilities, etc. It is interesting to analyze the relative strength (i.e., "sexiness") of the MVC if you remove Creighton and one or two additional teams from the equation, e.g., Wichita St. At the end of the day, USD needs to keep as many options open as possible. A new arena is indispensable to that objective. I'd personally love to strengthen the Summit and keep the tourney a 15-minute drive from my house!
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Post by jackjd on Mar 3, 2013 13:23:37 GMT -6
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Post by kulawjack on Mar 4, 2013 9:08:33 GMT -6
They definitely aren't a power conference. If the Catholic 7 were in existence right now, 2 of the teams would make the NCAA tournament. Creighton is making a play for the tourney again so that would make 3 out of 8. Butler is a borderline team but Saint Louis is winning the A-10. So 4 teams. Georgetown is clearly the best team in the new Big East/Catholic 7, but the rest are top of the line mid-majors at best. Only three of these teams have competed for a national title in the last 25 years with a total of four chances. Butler with two national title appearances and Georgetown making the Final Four in 2007. Villanova made the Final Four in 2009. This isn't a powerhouse conference by any means and takes a bunch of mid-major teams and puts them in a conference that screams mid-major despite what Fox Sports is saying with it's paychecks. It seems a lot like an Atlantic 10/bottom half of the Big East mashup more than anything. I think you forgot at least one. Marquette with Dwayne Wade was in the Final Four.
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