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Post by golfingyote on Feb 3, 2014 12:18:07 GMT -6
That picture is all over twitter. Gruis himself retweeted it. Few things, the flagrant l was absolutely the right call. Any time there is contact to the head it is automatic that it is a flagrant 1. This is part of the whole initiative to reduce concussions, make the game safer, etc. Flagrant 2 would mean that Dykstra's intent was malicious and wanted to injure or take out a player. I would definitely not categorize it as a flagrant 2 there. Dykstra and Gruis had been going at it for about 2-3 possessions before that happened. Looked like he just took a little aggression out on that foul. Nevertheless, I agree with the flagrant 1.
Secondly, I thought the officiating was poor as well. Very incosistent, especially in the post with contact/non travel calls. However, you would have a hard time convincing me that it cost USD the game. Thought there was bad calls both ways, which there always is. Our inability to execute offensively for stretches cost us the game. SDSU did a good job of shutting down Gruis and Bos. Obviously Gruis ended with 16 points but only attempted 3 FG's, while Bos was ineffective and finished with 5 points. If you had told me those 2 would shoot a combined 4-9 from the field, I would have thought we'd get blown out. Kasperbauer and Norris were solid, but I remain baffled why Thoseby plays so much. 21 mins with very little production or efficiency. I think there's better options but maybe he plays better than the other options in practice. Either way I dont see it.
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Post by wrj on Feb 3, 2014 13:30:49 GMT -6
You must have posted the wrong link. This picture shows only the follow through after the ball was released. The ball is already at the height of the rim and the players are on their way down. It certainly looks like a foul, but it was taken too late to show if Dykstra's hand was going for the ball or not. Therefore, intent cannot be discerned from this shot. The only contact visible in this photo is arm to arm. Contact with the face or head, or intent to contact the face or head, really cannot be assumed from it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 14:46:11 GMT -6
Are you serious? First of all that so called flagrant 1 foul call was ridiculous. That was a basketball play. He was clearly going for the ball and not trying to hurt Gruis. Gruis should have known that and not overreacted. Gruis should have received a "T" for getting into Dykstra's face after the play. I agree that that the officiating was poor, but it wasn't one-sided. That were missed called for both squads. It was a good, exciting game. Can't wait for SDSU to run USD out of the gym in Frost again. I'm glad to see a Jacks fan comes into a USD message board and decides to spam it with how "superior" his team is. Get a life, go comment on SDSU's message board and keep your arrogance to yourself. ANYWAYS about the flagrant. There is a picture of the foul and dykstra isn't even looking at the ball, his intentions were to hit Trev as hard as he could. So tell me how you would react if someone that you have been battling since high school did that to you? I'm sure you would just walk away like a mature adult since you're oozing with confidence on this message board. The thing about the summit league is that the rankings don't matter. Take IUPUI out of it and it is a complete toss up. Look how close some of these games are, USD lost to NDSU and SDSU by a combined total of 5 points. State won both games this weekend by a total of 3 points. There is no team that stands out above the rest in this league. Only God knows the outcome of these games and if USD gets the W in frost, know that I will be the adult and keep my comments positive and I will not create an account on SDSU's board and talk smack. Where did I say how superior SDSU is? You are taking things out of context. I was just giving my opinion on the flagrant foul and asking 12345678 why he thinks USD should have blown SDSU out. SDSU is 4-3 in the SL. That's nothing to brag about. USD is right there for a 3-4 seed to. So far the yotes are the only team to beat IPFW and they did it quite handily. Its looking like its going to come down to the last few weeks to determine seeding which is going to be exciting for us fans. I don't see anything negative in my post except the "Can't wait for SDSU to run USD out of the gym in Frost again." If you are going to get bent out of shape about that so be it. |
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Post by golfingyote on Feb 3, 2014 15:04:53 GMT -6
You must have posted the wrong link. This picture shows only the follow through after the ball was released. The ball is already at the height of the rim and the players are on their way down. It certainly looks like a foul, but it was taken too late to show if Dykstra's hand was going for the ball or not. Therefore, intent cannot be discerned from this shot. The only contact visible in this photo is arm to arm. Contact with the face or head, or intent to contact the face or head, really cannot be assumed from it. You are correct. It cannot be from this shot alone. A flagrant 1 does not have to be a head shot. Any contact above the shoulder, which in real time, it sure looked like there was. Either way, I didnt see a whole lot of intent to play the ball. Any time you commit a foul like that from behind as hard as he swung his arm, its going to be a flagrant 1, rivalry game or not. |
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Post by sleuth on Feb 3, 2014 16:12:04 GMT -6
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Post by cantguard3 on Feb 3, 2014 16:17:48 GMT -6
Aside from the flagrant call I wanted to address what the opinions were on the student section. One side was into the game for the majority of it (South). The other looked like they were at the game just to say they were there, not getting loud on defense and standing there with their arms crossed during offensive possessions. Coming from a person who attends every home game the coyotes have, this was the worst part of the game. The two state games leading up to this one you could barley hear yourself think, at saturdays game there were times where the team was making a run and the north student section was giving hardly any energy or effort to cheer their team on.
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Post by GoYotes on Feb 3, 2014 17:14:08 GMT -6
I thought the South end was fantastic and also that the band came through with their typical great performance. Even if the rest of the North end wasn't as rowdy as the South end, at least it was full. My disappointment with the crowd was the lack of numbers in the permanent seats and the lack of excitement from those that were there. The first Saturday afternoon game with school in session since the rivalry resumed and we cannot even draw 6,000 fans. Weather was great, no playoff football games on TV, no excuses for not having at lest 6,500 at the game.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 3, 2014 17:19:42 GMT -6
Aside from the flagrant call I wanted to address what the opinions were on the student section. One side was into the game for the majority of it (South). The other looked like they were at the game just to say they were there, not getting loud on defense and standing there with their arms crossed during offensive possessions. Coming from a person who attends every home game the coyotes have, this was the worst part of the game. The two state games leading up to this one you could barley hear yourself think, at saturdays game there were times where the team was making a run and the north student section was giving hardly any energy or effort to cheer their team on. The South side has always been the real student section, and the North side is where kids sit once the other side fills up. I would guess part of their inactivity can be attributed to the fact that they didn't care about the game as much, since they didn't get there as early as everyone on the South side. That being said, do not believe that was the case the last couple years. |
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Post by oldhare on Feb 3, 2014 18:21:52 GMT -6
The Dykstra foul was definitely on the rough side as he was not in position to make any kind of defensive play. It appeared to be a desperate attempt to stop the shot. Flagrant 1 was appropriate. Your students were very noisy and make a big part of the home court advantage that is not seen by many of the teams in the league. If you get both ends of the students to make more noise, it is really hard for the visitor. The PA guy goes over the top occasionally with his remarks. First time I have seen a basketball game at the Dome. A new arena will be big for you.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 3, 2014 20:45:57 GMT -6
I agree that a new arena will be just a huge boost for this program, but getting both ends of the students involved is a huge battle. Fan support among the student body is awful, and I've tried fighting it, but few here care unless State comes to town.
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Post by coyotega on Feb 3, 2014 21:08:02 GMT -6
Thanks for posting the video link. Bush league play.
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Post by yotemeal on Feb 4, 2014 9:56:32 GMT -6
 This photo should clear up any remaining debate about whether Dykstra committed a flagrant foul or merely made a "hard basketball play." I note that there’s a thread on the SDSU message board dedicated to fake captions for a picture shot right after the Dkystra foul, when Trevor got in Jordan’s face. There’s some decent material, but nothing, as you might expect, flattering to our big man. My personal thoughts on what Trevor said after the foul are 1) “If I wanted a kiss, I would’ve called your mother.” (Tommy Boy, 1995) or 2) “So, it must be true,” in reference to this photo from Saturday’s student section:  I found the tenor of this game interesting relative to what we’ve seen the past two years. SDSU seemed to play a lot grittier than I expected. Last year’s Jacks felt as though they assumed the coolness of Wolters, probably because so much of the offense flowed through him. I sensed more emotion from the Jackrabbit players than I did in previous years. I think Nagy has learned his lesson on treating a rivalry game as “just another game.” I enjoy the theatre of sports, and that previously unnoticed SDSU grit allowed for some “villains” to emerge. Dykstra is built like a tank, but he seems to have a mental softness about him that manifests in peculiar tantrums and long, blank stares. I’m not sure what to say about Heemstra other than, “Is that guy alright?” Chad White, well, I’ll cut that guy some slack; his own fans have been dogging his play all season. I enjoyed Carlson. Good player. USD, of course, is not without its share of villains, I’m just convinced no one will ever dethrone Josh Mueller. I miss that man. As for game play, we are a poor transition team. When we have numbers on a fast break, it seems we either turn the ball over, kick out and settle for a three, or commit a charge/miss the layup/get swatted. Some of Trey’s drives to the basket are just hopeless. I’d love to see more of the floater. Casey had a nice game, knocking down some really difficult shots. A knock on Casey before this season is that he struggles to create. He was doing some nice creating Saturday. Tough loss, but we march forward. Go Yotes! |
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Post by 91jack on Feb 4, 2014 13:10:10 GMT -6
This photo should clear up any remaining debate about whether Dykstra committed a flagrant foul or merely made a "hard basketball play." I note that there’s a thread on the SDSU message board dedicated to fake captions for a picture shot right after the Dkystra foul, when Trevor got in Jordan’s face. There’s some decent material, but nothing, as you might expect, flattering to our big man. My personal thoughts on what Trevor said after the foul are 1) “If I wanted a kiss, I would’ve called your mother.” (Tommy Boy, 1995) or 2) “So, it must be true,” in reference to this photo from Saturday’s student section: I enjoy the theatre of sports, and that previously unnoticed SDSU grit allowed for some “villains” to emerge. Dykstra is built like a tank, but he seems to have a mental softness about him that manifests in peculiar tantrums and long, blank stares. I’m not sure what to say about Heemstra other than, “Is that guy alright?” Chad White, well, I’ll cut that guy some slack; his own fans have been dogging his play all season. I enjoyed Carlson. Good player. USD, of course, is not without its share of villains, I’m just convinced no one will ever dethrone Josh Mueller. I miss that man. I think a flagrant 1 was the right call. I'm not going by that picture though. In watching the replay on the news, it looks like Dykstra almost has his left hand in front of Gruis before he turns and hacks him with his right(which is when the picture is finally taken). I think they started about even but when Dykstra turned he got behind and that is when the picture was taken. Again, I think the call was right but I wish that picture was taken about 1 or 2 seconds quicker. The aftermath of those to big guys meeting in mid air won't look pretty because they both have to come down. I'm just glad they they both landed on their feet and all was good. Dykstra is a big softie. It's weird that they SDSU men always meet the other team before the game and shake hands. The women never do that. I think that is part of the problem down in the dome the last 2 years. SDSU's mens team is so laid back that they could turn on the nastiness quick enough. Josh sure was fun to watch. He did just enough to keep you on you toes. |
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Post by coyotega on Feb 4, 2014 16:43:41 GMT -6
Glad to see the picture posted by Yotemeal. I know in days past, my student friends would have had a ball mocking Cody Larson, and not in such polite terms.
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Post by GoYotes on Feb 4, 2014 17:23:19 GMT -6
I spent a little time reading through the various game threads on the Bunny message board. They like to claim they have a far superior culture (they obviously left off the "agri" prefix) throughout their athletic department and that their teams are comprised solely of athletes of the highest character, especially when compared to the degenerates at USD. This despite the fact that there was two flagrant fouls called in the 2 games this past weekend and they both happened to be called on the Bunnies. For future reference for USD athletes, here are some SDSU tips on acceptable behavior: A player slapping hands with the crowd - unacceptable; pushing a player in the back with one hand and raking the other hand across his forearms - acceptable; taking your time sitting down to toy with the crowd after fouling out - unacceptable; throwing an elbow at someone's face - acceptable & raking your forearm across the opponents face - acceptable. Hopefully these tips will allow all Coyote athletes to demonstrate better behavior going forward.
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