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Post by yotebewithyou on Jun 27, 2016 21:58:41 GMT -6
If you are talking about the interim part, ASU's head coach had to retire due to medical reasons. Therefore Wagner and another assistant coach were co-interim coaches for the rest of last season. ASU hired Fresno State's head coach to fill the vacancy. I'm assuming she brings on a new staff with her so he was available and USD signed Wagner for the HC position. Sorry, was referring more to him coming to USD. Seems like an odd place for someone with that kind of experience.
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Post by Yotes on Jun 27, 2016 22:47:05 GMT -6
If you are talking about the interim part, ASU's head coach had to retire due to medical reasons. Therefore Wagner and another assistant coach were co-interim coaches for the rest of last season. ASU hired Fresno State's head coach to fill the vacancy. I'm assuming she brings on a new staff with her so he was available and USD signed Wagner for the HC position. Sorry, was referring more to him coming to USD. Seems like an odd place for someone with that kind of experience. It's perfectly reasonable for a top assistant at a power conference school to come be head coach at USD. Plus he was a co-interim head coach this year, meaning he has to find work elsewhere as he is unlikely to be retained at ASU. If there is an odd part to this deal it's that he doesn't have any apparent ties to South Dakota or this region at large. At any rate this hiring is win-win for both parties, appears to be another great hire by Herbster.
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Post by yotebewithyou on Jun 28, 2016 22:48:15 GMT -6
Sorry, was referring more to him coming to USD. Seems like an odd place for someone with that kind of experience. It's perfectly reasonable for a top assistant at a power conference school to come be head coach at USD. Plus he was a co-interim head coach this year, meaning he has to find work elsewhere as he is unlikely to be retained at ASU. If there is an odd part to this deal it's that he doesn't have any apparent ties to South Dakota or this region at large. At any rate this hiring is win-win for both parties, appears to be another great hire by Herbster. I was referring to him not really having ties to the area. Probably came down to him needing a job and this job being open! Excited to see where he takes the program though!
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jun 29, 2016 20:37:32 GMT -6
Sorry, was referring more to him coming to USD. Seems like an odd place for someone with that kind of experience. It's perfectly reasonable for a top assistant at a power conference school to come be head coach at USD. Plus he was a co-interim head coach this year, meaning he has to find work elsewhere as he is unlikely to be retained at ASU. If there is an odd part to this deal it's that he doesn't have any apparent ties to South Dakota or this region at large. At any rate this hiring is win-win for both parties, appears to be another great hire by Herbster. I find it interesting that people are saying that Herbster has made multiple great hires. In actuality his hires are potential based and not yet results based so calling them great IMO is premature. Herbster probably shouldn't be criticized for his hires but none of them have really done much of anything yet so I will reserve judgement. I consider a great hire to be one that has come to USD and already posted great results. I may be missing a coach in one of the lower sports but to me the only coach that should be considered a great hire in the D1 era is Amy Williams and I don't believe she was Herbster's hire. She was fairly highly touted coming in and even produced better actual results then what her hype was. Greatness should be results based and not hype or potential based. The two biggest hires so far have resulted in one significant disappointment that never panned out and another that is still in the incomplete status but not showing an upward trend. Of the newest hires both have yet to coach a game for USD as of yet. We have gone this route before of thinking we made a great hire but not having that hire really pan out. I personally am excited for the future of the three biggest sports on campus but I am not yet willing to call on greatness just yet.
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Post by yotebewithyou on Jun 29, 2016 22:34:37 GMT -6
It's perfectly reasonable for a top assistant at a power conference school to come be head coach at USD. Plus he was a co-interim head coach this year, meaning he has to find work elsewhere as he is unlikely to be retained at ASU. If there is an odd part to this deal it's that he doesn't have any apparent ties to South Dakota or this region at large. At any rate this hiring is win-win for both parties, appears to be another great hire by Herbster. I find it interesting that people are saying that Herbster has made multiple great hires. In actuality his hires are potential based and not yet results based so calling them great IMO is premature. Herbster probably shouldn't be criticized for his hires but none of them have really done much of anything yet so I will reserve judgement. I consider a great hire to be one that has come to USD and already posted great results. I may be missing a coach in one of the lower sports but to me the only coach that should be considered a great hire in the D1 era is Amy Williams and I don't believe she was Herbster's hire. She was fairly highly touted coming in and even produced better actual results then what her hype was. Greatness should be results based and not hype or potential based. The two biggest hires so far have resulted in one significant disappointment that never panned out and another that is still in the incomplete status but not showing an upward trend. Of the newest hires both have yet to coach a game for USD as of yet. We have gone this route before of thinking we made a great hire but not having that hire really pan out. I personally am excited for the future of the three biggest sports on campus but I am not yet willing to call on greatness just yet. What about women's tennis? Does that hire not count?
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Post by Yotes on Jun 29, 2016 22:36:11 GMT -6
Considering there are three big sports, two of which are being led by coaches who have yet to debut at USD, please tell me what two large disappointing hires Herbster has made. I'm sure you are claiming Craig Smith to be one of them as it takes but one loss to permanently land on your list of coaches to be canned. What's the other one? Who else has Herbster hired that you already want to run out of town?
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Post by kiyoat on Jun 30, 2016 13:58:34 GMT -6
www.ktiv.com/story/18695092/usd-hires-amy-williams-as-womens-hoops-coachHerbster may not have been AD when Williams was hired, but he WAS the Associate AD. Apparently he was involved in her hiring, or she wouldn't have mentioned him by name when announced. More importantly, he became interim AD 6-months later. Being a successful AD is not only about making hires. It's also about supporting the athletic programs and coaches. Providing them with the tools, facilities, resources and work environment they need to succeed. I would say in Williams' case, she was taken care of well. When she was announced at NU, she mentioned that it would take something very special to take her away from USD. Saying he has done a good job is not based on potential. I trust his hires so far.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jun 30, 2016 16:27:05 GMT -6
Considering there are three big sports, two of which are being led by coaches who have yet to debut at USD, please tell me what two large disappointing hires Herbster has made. I'm sure you are claiming Craig Smith to be one of them as it takes but one loss to permanently land on your list of coaches to be canned. What's the other one? Who else has Herbster hired that you already want to run out of town? When I talked about the 2 big hires I was unclear but I intended it to mean the biggest hires of the D1 era, not necessarily the hires that Herbster made himself. One was a disappointment and the other incomplete but not currently trending upward.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jun 30, 2016 16:30:16 GMT -6
Considering there are three big sports, two of which are being led by coaches who have yet to debut at USD, please tell me what two large disappointing hires Herbster has made. I'm sure you are claiming Craig Smith to be one of them as it takes but one loss to permanently land on your list of coaches to be canned. What's the other one? Who else has Herbster hired that you already want to run out of town? You do really need to read my posts a little more thoroughly before responding. Nowhere in my post did I say anything about two large disappointing hires.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jun 30, 2016 16:32:30 GMT -6
I find it interesting that people are saying that Herbster has made multiple great hires. In actuality his hires are potential based and not yet results based so calling them great IMO is premature. Herbster probably shouldn't be criticized for his hires but none of them have really done much of anything yet so I will reserve judgement. I consider a great hire to be one that has come to USD and already posted great results. I may be missing a coach in one of the lower sports but to me the only coach that should be considered a great hire in the D1 era is Amy Williams and I don't believe she was Herbster's hire. She was fairly highly touted coming in and even produced better actual results then what her hype was. Greatness should be results based and not hype or potential based. The two biggest hires so far have resulted in one significant disappointment that never panned out and another that is still in the incomplete status but not showing an upward trend. Of the newest hires both have yet to coach a game for USD as of yet. We have gone this route before of thinking we made a great hire but not having that hire really pan out. I personally am excited for the future of the three biggest sports on campus but I am not yet willing to call on greatness just yet. What about women's tennis? Does that hire not count? You also need to read my post a little more closely before responding as well. BTW tennis is considered a lower sport.
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