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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 23:19:00 GMT -6
There are always two sides to every story. I certainly hope we hear Coach Smith's side of this. Certainly with two players quitting the team leaves an open window for anxious thoughts. This might be the beginning to telling the story of why the team has struggled as of late. With all speculation aside there appears to have been tension from at least one player on the team now a former player. Is this a one case exception or is there more to it than that. Having no other info, that is my take as well - sounds like there was some tension/dissension, which eats at team chemistry, of course. Smith's comments in Mick's article certainly hint towards some attitudes that were affecting the team as a whole. The curious fan side of me hopes we hear the other side of the story, but the adult side of me hopes the high road is taken and McClelland can move on without the story following him around. Smith loses either way. He won't address it unless asked and even then he won't say much. Lose lose situation.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 10, 2016 8:39:37 GMT -6
Having no other info, that is my take as well - sounds like there was some tension/dissension, which eats at team chemistry, of course. Smith's comments in Mick's article certainly hint towards some attitudes that were affecting the team as a whole. The curious fan side of me hopes we hear the other side of the story, but the adult side of me hopes the high road is taken and McClelland can move on without the story following him around. Smith loses either way. He won't address it unless asked and even then he won't say much. Lose lose situation. No winners in this situation, that's for sure.
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Post by yotefan on Feb 10, 2016 10:26:53 GMT -6
Having no other info, that is my take as well - sounds like there was some tension/dissension, which eats at team chemistry, of course. Smith's comments in Mick's article certainly hint towards some attitudes that were affecting the team as a whole. The curious fan side of me hopes we hear the other side of the story, but the adult side of me hopes the high road is taken and McClelland can move on without the story following him around. Smith loses either way. He won't address it unless asked and even then he won't say much. Lose lose situation. I disagree Smith loses either way. The coach is the teacher. The player is the student. When the teacher attempts to teach an unwilling student there are consequences. Smith has taken the high road. He wins for that. Shy is opting to say he was suspended for two additional games for caring for his grandmother and was punished for that. Not buying it. Players who don't buy in to what the coach is preaching and teaching ultimately can expect to be benched, suspended, and/or asked to leave. Does it hurt to lose a guy with Shy's abilities right now? Yes. In the long run does it hurt more to have a guy openly questioning the authority of the coach as the season goes on? Yes. It hurts way more. This is a move that is better for Coach Smith and his team in the long run. That's a win. It sounds like Shy can be closer to his grandma and still play some ball closer to home. That's a win. That sounds like a win/win situation to me.
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Post by yotefan on Feb 10, 2016 10:29:22 GMT -6
ps next man up pps Tre Burnette, its time
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Post by golfingyote on Feb 10, 2016 11:23:44 GMT -6
I dont foresee Shy playing at the D1 level again. Tough considering he is a junior and would have to sit out a full year. Best of luck to him! on to NDSU.
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Post by mraugustana on Feb 10, 2016 13:38:45 GMT -6
I dont foresee Shy playing at the D1 level again. Tough considering he is a junior and would have to sit out a full year. Best of luck to him! on to NDSU. If the D2 King of D1 Transfers, Matt Margenthaler (MSU-Mankato), hadn't already snagged former USD commit and subsequent former UNI guard Aarias Austin a few months ago, I'd expect him to snag McClelland as well. For that matter, he might still kick a kid off of his team to make room for McClelland, so who knows? It's never out of the question with Margs. That being said, if McClelland is genuinely trying to get closer to Milwaukee, I doubt Mankato is close enough (5+ hours from Milwaukee). Unless he ends up at UW-Parkside (45 minutes away from Milwaukee), McClelland's D2 options that closer to home might be limited. Any chance he gets a family hardship type of waiver that let's him keep that year he would normally lose otherwise? I feel like those are pretty uncommon, but if it's genuinely because of his grandma's health, maybe he'd have a chance?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 10, 2016 18:51:22 GMT -6
Smith loses either way. He won't address it unless asked and even then he won't say much. Lose lose situation. I disagree Smith loses either way. The coach is the teacher. The player is the student. When the teacher attempts to teach an unwilling student there are consequences. Smith has taken the high road. He wins for that. Shy is opting to say he was suspended for two additional games for caring for his grandmother and was punished for that. Not buying it. Players who don't buy in to what the coach is preaching and teaching ultimately can expect to be benched, suspended, and/or asked to leave. Does it hurt to lose a guy with Shy's abilities right now? Yes. In the long run does it hurt more to have a guy openly questioning the authority of the coach as the season goes on? Yes. It hurts way more. This is a move that is better for Coach Smith and his team in the long run. That's a win. It sounds like Shy can be closer to his grandma and still play some ball closer to home. That's a win. That sounds like a win/win situation to me. Currently I think it's unfair to assume all the comments from Shy are accurate but it's also maybe not so wise to assume everything he said has no merit to it. There was obviously a reason for him to speak out. Maybe it was a simple beef and he blew everything out of proportion. But we have to take it at face value until Smith or USD has a response to it. I think it's wise for some kind of a statement to be released on this because if not than what is a person supposed to think other than what McClelland said was either mostly or completely true. When putting this with Dickerson leaving and the departure of Thoesby it really does beg to question if Smith is a serious hardliner where it's his way or the highway. That can be a good thing to a point but there has been some pretty big turnover in players from the end of last season until now. I hope USD doesn't just sweep Shy's comments under the rug because there does seem to be a bit of a pattern developing of players that no longer seem to fit in the program and that list of players continues to grow.
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Post by azsod73 on Feb 11, 2016 8:36:10 GMT -6
If you are a twitter follower, this situation is not all that unexpected. McClelland is an intelligent young man who has a lot of things going on in his life. Best of luck to him and his family.
As for Smith needing to explain things further, not going to happen. His hands are tied and I think he has handled it appropriately.
Trying to link Thoseby and Zach Dickerson departures to McClelland's is a mistake. Totally different circumstances.
Suggest we give it a rest.
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Post by yote14 on Feb 11, 2016 8:55:24 GMT -6
No public response from Smith or the University is going to happen or is it needed. Thoseby is a completely different situation than this and its not uncommon for a walk on to leave a team at the D1 level. In my opinion there is no bigger story here other than normal happenings at the D1 level. The state of South Dakota is just not use to seeing these things yet.
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 11, 2016 9:15:14 GMT -6
Coaches are taking the right course of action. I read the Volante piece and find myself questioning their journalistic integrity in this case. Understandably it is difficult to get the other side of the story when the other side says "no comment" but I don't think it was necessary to go to the extent they did giving one side of the story. It stinks of a hatchet job and the purpose of the article is simply to stir the pot rather than to bring news to the public. It's a story that probably never should have made it to press unless it was presented in a fair and balanced manner.
For anybody that has read the Volante for any amount of time that is their M.O. Every student who writes an article believes they are writing some groundbreaking piece that is going to blow the lid off some conspiracy. Reality is that over the last 20 plus years of reading this paper the same "articles" appear every couple of years and are not original, it just means a new class of students is on campus so it is "new" to them. You know, groundbreaking stuff like complaining about night life in Vermillion, lack of restaurant options (we need an Applebees!), tuition costs, lack of parking, and, of course, complaining about on-campus construction.
I've been a part of programs where there were disgruntled players and there is always another side to the story and, more often than not, the player blows things way out of proportion. Thinking back, I can recall numerous examples where players felt they were wronged in some way and it was often received from other players with a shake of the head in disbelief. It creates division in the locker room as the wronged player attempts to rally teammates to share their viewpoint in opposition to the coaches. It's a distraction. I'm sure this player truly feels he was slighted and is being treated unfairly, but I bet if you look a this objectively the coaching staff set certain standards that were not being followed which ended in the result it did. These coaches don't get to the level they do by treating players in the way they are being portrayed. I'm just not buying this version of the story.
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Post by coyoterj on Feb 11, 2016 9:55:02 GMT -6
I learned a long time ago, what you don't say will not hurt you. What you do say, might.
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