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Post by Yotes on Mar 9, 2016 19:31:21 GMT -6
Put all that together and you have the formula for a first round loss.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 9, 2016 19:32:36 GMT -6
SDSU fans like to constantly talk about their schedule. Did playing Notre Dame, Maryland, Arkansas and DePaul toughen up the Jacks to be able to win the Summit League? No it didn't. Did last years non conference schedule toughen them up enough to win the Summit League? No it didn't. The league schedule is the best way to determine a league champ. All teams play the same schedule home and away which is the fairest way to compare teams. Just because SDSU can play with Notre Dame and Maryland does that mean that the Coyotes can't?
If SDSU had played those non conference games directly before the Summit Tourney I could buy the argument much better but the fact is they didn't and USD won the two head to head games this year. SDSU's non conference schedule had almost no bearing on the Summit League tournament. What it does have a bearing on is their overall resume for a higher potential seeding in whatever tourney they ended up going to.
Strength of Schedule is only as good as the wins that a team gets over good teams. USD could schedule 10 games against U-Conn and lose all 10 by 30 and maybe one by 20 but what good does that really do. Should USD receive a tourney bid because they played a tough schedule.
USD and SDSU were fairly even this year and that is hard to argue with. Just because the Coyotes played a weaker overall schedule does not mean they are not as good as the Jacks. The Jacks won the game that mattered on Tuesday and congrats to them for that but that win had very little to do with their non conference strength of schedule and that is just common sense. Sometimes a tough schedule can actually have the opposite effect. If a team plays a tough schedule and goes 1-15 does that help them more or discourage them more. It can go both ways.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 19:48:40 GMT -6
No I'm not saying SDSU is better because of their sos. People on here are acting as if the Jacks have no chance at winning a game. I brought up SDSU's non-conference schedule to prove that statement wrong. The games proved that SDSU can compete against good teams and beat them.
If USD would have won yesterday, I would be saying that the yotes have a pretty good chance of upsetting a team in the field of 64.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 9, 2016 20:06:30 GMT -6
It's my personal option that the Jacks and Coyotes would have about the same chance in the NCAA tourney depending on the matchup for both teams. The Jacks might match up better with some teams that USD doesn't match up well against and visa-versa.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 21:27:45 GMT -6
Both USD and SDSU deserve to be in the tournament. Only SDSU will likely make it. Great game.
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Post by larobe on Mar 9, 2016 23:39:47 GMT -6
Seekamp was so good today, ice water in her veins! Clutch player. I hope she gets a chance to show that in another championship game. (The WNIT) Me too,I think USD is very capable of doing a lot of damage,in either tournament frankly,you are all very proud of your team and rightfully so. USD's not done by a long shot. Just a little friendly challenge for your team to best what SDSU did in the WNIT when USD won the auto-bid two years ago,the Jacks won all the way to the semi-finals,Creighton,Butler from the Big East and Minn and Indiana from the Big Ten (all home contests,which are bid for) and lost by either 2 or three,can't quite remember, against UTEP in the semi-finals at their place in front of a sold out venue of 12,000 fans. Steph Paluch of the Jacks took the last good shot of the game and just barely missed a three for the win/tie ,Megan Waytashek got the carom I think,and got off a not too good hurried 3 pt shot.Utep lost to eventual champion Rutgers,and not by much. Just say'n,there's a lot of thrilling basketball games ahead for this deserving group of players,a lot of good basketball teams to face and a wealth of basketball experience to be gained for your players,especially the young ones.Make the Summit proud,both you and SDSU and enhance all our members recruiting efforts,prestige ,wherever you may go.I'll be rooting for you.Do well,wish you the best for the remainder of the season,then come back next year and we'll once again fight it out for the Summit League crown ,and the NCAA Tournament ticket to the dance.
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Post by newtousd33 on Mar 10, 2016 6:25:58 GMT -6
Hopefully the admin steps up and gets 2 or 3 home games for this team in the WNIT.
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Post by larobe on Mar 10, 2016 12:45:45 GMT -6
Agree,it's money well spent for ,player development,name recognition...getting your name out there,for future recruitment,just over-all advancing the program as a whole.I'm sure Amy's pleading her case.It helps a lot having the games at home.Especially as good of a team this years Coyotes are,it would really be money well spent.It's kind of based on attendance figures too,but that's usually no problem the further you go,generally speaking.
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Post by 91jack on Mar 10, 2016 15:46:04 GMT -6
Bottom line is that the Jacks won the one that mattered like they almost always do. They are 21-1 all time in this tourney so they elevate their game in the post season and are unmatched in their success when the chips are down. They haven't been the #1 seed a few of those times and still end up coming out on top. I thought the Coyotes as a program had caught up but they still are a little bit behind when you look at the big picture. Everything was in the Coyotes advantage today with senior leadership and good depth (which should pay off in a 3rd game in 4 days) but SDSU has a team that is better suited for the post season where the better defensive teams usually come out on top. Even in the men's tourney the teams that play at the slower pace or play better defense tend to win out. Denver should have beaten the Jacks and NDSU definitely relies on their D. Win when it matters? USD won in Brookings to avoid a 2 game deficit in the conference to the bunnies. Then they won at home to clinch the conference for the second consecutive year. Those do not matter.
The final goal is always to make the national tournament. And at small schools like SDSU and USD the only way you will ever make that tournament is the auto bid so that puts importance on the tourney. But that does not make the team who wins the conference tournament the more successful team or the better team. If IUPUI won the tourney this year would both of our fan bases being talking about how much better than us the Jags ended up being? Or that they got the best of us? Bottom line USD had the better season and was the better team. The loss yesterday does not take that away.
I wonder if Kansas loses their conference tourney to Kansas State this year if they will be talking about how much better the K-state team ended up being. You are putting too much stock into the conference tournament as the decider for who the better team/program this year was.
I really don't know who had the better season or who was/is the better team. When USD lost they said that they had a bad night shooting but when SDSU lost they said the same thing. A play here or there and all 3 games could have gone the other way. 1) USD did lose 3 games without Seekamp but that was part of their season. 2) They did beat SDSU twice and only lost to them once so they have that in their cap. 3) SDSU's "other" conference loss came to IUPUI who finished higher than Oral Roberts but not by much. 4) Both teams had 26-6 records. SDSU lost 3 conference games and they lost to #2- Notre Dame(31-1), #6 Maryland(30-3) and Green-Bay(26-4). USD lost two conference games and they lost to Utah(16-14), UNI(20-9), Kansas State(18-12) and Washington(22-10). Bottom line- USD won more head-to-head, SDSU lost to teams there are a little better(but both played good teams), USD played without the conference player of the year for 3 games, etc... Both teams are good and they would probably split a 10 game series 5-to-5. SDSU will play in the NCAA tourney and USD will likely play in the WNIT. USD will probably win about 3 or 4 games(depending on matchups) and hopefully SDSU can pull out a game or two(depending on matches, again). Now that they are done playing each other this season, the more wins both teams can get the better it is for the conference. I hope that I am wrong but the only way I could see both teams getting in this season is if SDSU would have swept USD in the regular season and USD won in the tournament. That way the IUPUI loss was SDSU's only "bad" loss. Their other 4 loses would have been to teams in the NCAA tournament and 2 of those 4 were to top 6 teams.
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Post by oldhare on Mar 10, 2016 16:38:24 GMT -6
91Jack; I think USD only lost 1 conference game until the SLT.
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Post by fightsd on Mar 11, 2016 8:18:27 GMT -6
How long are we going to have to hear the "but we lost to Notre Dame" argument? Congratulations, you lost.
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Post by 91jack on Mar 11, 2016 10:02:36 GMT -6
91Jack; I think USD only lost 1 conference game until the SLT. I should of been clearer. I was talking about both teams being 26-6. That included the SLT.
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