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Post by golfingyote on Apr 20, 2016 13:17:52 GMT -6
DJ Davis granted release from the USD Men's program and will be transferring.
Anyone with any info on this? seems like a head scratcher.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 20, 2016 13:53:16 GMT -6
DJ Davis granted release from the USD Men's program and will be transferring. Anyone with any info on this? seems like a head scratcher. What the heck is going on with this basketball program. Another departure. Which direction is this program going in again because up is getting harder and harder to believe? Who will be next out the door? |
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Apr 20, 2016 14:19:59 GMT -6
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Apr 20, 2016 14:24:42 GMT -6
DJ is more of a defensive guy who will get some buckets on offense. I just don't see his skill set as the "go to" offensive player if that is what he is wanting. It's his decision, I will wish him the best. It would have been nice to have his consistency, I guess we will see what the new guys will bring.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 20, 2016 14:32:50 GMT -6
Must not have liked his outlook with the added competition of these transfers moving into the lineup this fall. Hate to see DJ go and am slightly alarmed by his departure.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 20, 2016 21:29:27 GMT -6
It's kind of surprising that this isn't getting more message board chatter. This is a pretty big deal in my opinion. He was a starter for the team and now in a matter of several weeks the Coyotes just lost two starters to their team and in both cases it seemed to be the player decision to leave which is not a good sign. I think it is hard to believe that he would uproot himself because of his role in the offense. He went from basically being a bench player in his first year with the program to getting a lot of minutes and now suddenly he doesn't like his fit. Something is going on and a culture seems to be developing where players are either being forced out or do not want to be a part of the basketball program. I have a couple of theories. Either people think these player losses are just kind of a weeding out process for a future greater good. Either that or people are genuinely concerned but just don't want to talk about it or are in some kind of a denial mode.
Something happened with this basketball team at the mid point of the season. They went from a very focused and motivated team to suddenly a team that found it hard to play consistently game in and game out. You just don't see a team change like the Yotes have at the mid point of a season such as what happened to the Yotes this year. The talent didn't suddenly get worse overnight. Something caused this team to lose their motivation. The home game against Denver and the conference tourney game against IPFW revealed a team that was more than ready for their season to end.
The Davis departure just adds more fuel to the fire to what is going on with this program. Something just smells wierd with this whole thing. Maybe Herbster needs to step in to find out what is going on if he hasn't already.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 20, 2016 22:13:46 GMT -6
I don't think that anyone will deny that the departure of DJ Davis is a cause for concern, but it's not cause for taking a microscope to the program or going into a meltdown. Kids do transfer and this might just be one of those deals. If shady dealings were publicly revealed or a wave of departures ensues then I'll agree that something is wrong here. As it stands though all I have to go off of is Jay Elsen stating that DJ did not like his role in the offense and that is perfectly believable with three transfer players coming in, all three being guards who may well have jumped him on the depth chart right away.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 20, 2016 22:34:06 GMT -6
I don't think that anyone will deny that the departure of DJ Davis is a cause for concern, but it's not cause for taking a microscope to the program or going into a meltdown. Kids do transfer and this might just be one of those deals. If shady dealings were publicly revealed or a wave of departures ensues then I'll agree that something is wrong here. As it stands though all I have to go off of is Jay Elsen stating that DJ did not like his role in the offense and that is perfectly believable with three transfer players coming in, all three being guards who may well have jumped him on the depth chart right away. I would say the wave of departures is well underway. Next year will be telling I think. I don't know about any meltdowns or microscopes but maybe a little state of the Coyote Union address between Herbie and Coach Smith might not be a bad idea. |
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Post by golfingyote on Apr 21, 2016 6:43:58 GMT -6
Good god, relax CF. There were 700 Division one transfers last year, which equates to about 2 per division 1 program exactly. Unfortunately, its become a bigger part of college basketball and we are not exempt from it just because we are in SD and we like to sugarcoat everything and act like these types of things dont happen here. State of the coyote union address.....wow....
8 new faces coming to the team next year. I think we will finally start to develop some continuity within the program going forward.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Apr 21, 2016 7:13:34 GMT -6
All I can think of when I read CF posts is Chicken Little
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Post by Yotes on Apr 21, 2016 7:16:19 GMT -6
Good god, relax CF. There were 700 Division one transfers last year, which equates to about 2 per division 1 program exactly. Unfortunately, its become a bigger part of college basketball and we are not exempt from it just because we are in SD and we like to sugarcoat everything and act like these types of things dont happen here. State of the coyote union address.....wow.... 8 new faces coming to the team next year. I think we will finally start to develop some continuity within the program going forward. Exactly. Kids transfer, that's just the nature of college and college athletics. This is literally the first of Smith's kids to leave that wasn't already a transfer (gotta think those who transferred once are more prone to transfer again). |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 21, 2016 8:41:30 GMT -6
No one is debating that kids transfer for various reasons but is often the case those players tend to be (for example) #10 or 11 on the depth chart with no significant role on a team. Those losses happen all the time and the impact is usually not severe. Here we are talking about 2 starters that were major contributors. I don't think many programs are taking the type of hit that this program is taking and especially not losing two starters from a team. I would think that is more rare then common place.
I think the loss of Davis is kind of a tipping point from a bump in the road to a pretty significant problem, but disagree away if you don't feel that way.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 21, 2016 8:56:18 GMT -6
There are a whole slew of talented players that sat out last season that will be playing next season. Stands to reason some starters from this past season see the writing on the wall with their minutes being cut or losing starting jobs and are transferring out because of it.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 21, 2016 9:03:18 GMT -6
Good god, relax CF. There were 700 Division one transfers last year, which equates to about 2 per division 1 program exactly. Unfortunately, its become a bigger part of college basketball and we are not exempt from it just because we are in SD and we like to sugarcoat everything and act like these types of things dont happen here. State of the coyote union address.....wow.... 8 new faces coming to the team next year. I think we will finally start to develop some continuity within the program going forward. Good stats. Maybe there just needed to be a culture change on the roster. Maybe Coach Smith's style of BB wasn't a great fit with the athletes that were there. Maybe there were some players that "bought in" and some that didn't. We will probably never know the whole story. Turnover happens, and I would bet that if the 2-per-school number were modified for programs with new coaches, the number would be even higher. Let's give him more than one season to show what he is trying to build. |
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Post by golfingyote on Apr 21, 2016 9:26:07 GMT -6
Good god, relax CF. There were 700 Division one transfers last year, which equates to about 2 per division 1 program exactly. Unfortunately, its become a bigger part of college basketball and we are not exempt from it just because we are in SD and we like to sugarcoat everything and act like these types of things dont happen here. State of the coyote union address.....wow.... 8 new faces coming to the team next year. I think we will finally start to develop some continuity within the program going forward. Good stats. Maybe there just needed to be a culture change on the roster. Maybe Coach Smith's style of BB wasn't a great fit with the athletes that were there. Maybe there were some players that "bought in" and some that didn't. We will probably never know the whole story. Turnover happens, and I would bet that if the 2-per-school number were modified for programs with new coaches, the number would be even higher. Let's give him more than one season to show what he is trying to build. Agreed, and obviously it sucks more when its someone that played heavy minutes. However, at the end of the day, this is mid major college basketball. Coaches are always going to be recruiting the best possible talent they can get, and if they happen to recruit over someone, so be it. You have to believe Coach Smith is recruiting and looking for the guys that will work for and earn PT, rather than have it handed to them. DJ was a great contributor for us, but he's a big boy and has made his choice. My feeling is similar to that of Yote 53. |
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