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Post by kiyoat on May 10, 2016 6:57:11 GMT -6
Honestly I would be more concerned if we lost Denver or ORU, than the eastern schools.
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Post by mraugustana on May 10, 2016 7:36:21 GMT -6
If you were to calculate the geographic center of the current conference members, I think you would land somewhere around Omaha or KC. Really not that far from SF. Besides, SF has been great for the conference tourney. Huge turnouts of fans, breaking attendance records, especially for the women. I just think we need to do a better job of making the non-jacks fans not feel like they are being boxed-out of the best seats.Just so I understand better, do SDSU fans get priority ticket purchasing, or do all tickets go on sale at the same time for all fanbases?
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Post by Yotes on May 10, 2016 7:46:48 GMT -6
Honestly I would be more concerned if we lost Denver or ORU, than the eastern schools. Agreed. ORU and Denver bring much more to the table than WIU or the Indiana schools, and as such are probably the two schools most likely to bolt from the conference when you consider their status as geographic outliers. Both of them also shopped around a bit before landing in the Summit League and have been here a few years now, so perhaps they are relatively satisfied with the league.
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Post by Yotes on May 10, 2016 7:49:42 GMT -6
If you were to calculate the geographic center of the current conference members, I think you would land somewhere around Omaha or KC. Really not that far from SF. Besides, SF has been great for the conference tourney. Huge turnouts of fans, breaking attendance records, especially for the women. I just think we need to do a better job of making the non-jacks fans not feel like they are being boxed-out of the best seats.Just so I understand better, do SDSU fans get priority ticket purchasing, or do all tickets go on sale at the same time for all fanbases? They actually kind of did get priority recently. Those who attended the SL baseball tournament in Sioux Falls got first chance to buy SL basketball tournament tickets for the following year, or something like that - I'm not entirely sure because I was never going to attend the baseball tournament as we do not have a baseball team. At any rate I've been going for three years now and still don't know how to get a seat that is worth a damn for the tournament.
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Post by Yote 53 on May 10, 2016 7:59:56 GMT -6
They put ticket packages on sale like a year early. Only SDSU fans and some USD and NDSU fans are willing to commit to that without knowing how their season will go. I suppose the fans from teams out east want to see what kind of team they will have and if it is worth spending the cash to make the trip. By the time it comes time to purchase tickets SDSU fans have gobbled up the seats.
I understand it is a business and the conference wants tickets sold, but maybe they need to look into withholding larger blocks of premium seats until it comes closer to tournament time in order to make it more fair for fans of schools that are not located on I-29 to obtain tickets.
This perceived instability is another reason the Summit needs to bring in UND. UND would help solidify Denver as they are also hockey rivals along with UNO. That would make it a core of 7 with the Dakotas, UNO, WIU, and Denver. As long as those 7 decide to stick together the moving parts around them can be worked out.
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Post by oldhare on May 10, 2016 8:03:17 GMT -6
If you were to calculate the geographic center of the current conference members, I think you would land somewhere around Omaha or KC. Really not that far from SF. Besides, SF has been great for the conference tourney. Huge turnouts of fans, breaking attendance records, especially for the women. I just think we need to do a better job of making the non-jacks fans not feel like they are being boxed-out of the best seats. Does each school get an allotment of tickets to disperse? Those tickets are probably in the center areas. The majority of the other schools probably turn tickets back. The student tickets are on the ends and they are seldom heavily used. The Yote student tickets are probably more used than the other schools. The Jackrabbits and sometimes Bison are close. If a team is doing well, the fans normally come if you remember when Oakland was winning or ORU when they had a good women's team and men's team. WIU brought a good following the year they were co-champs of the regular season.
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Post by gopheryote on May 10, 2016 9:19:02 GMT -6
You will see the tournament rotating as soon as another location can provide a bid as attractive as Sioux Falls. That will include a list of private money sponsors as well as the paid crowd to spice the bid. This event appears to be a major money maker for the teams of the Summit plus some extra publicity for the conference. Taking a much lower income for the conference does not find interest for the members who do not have the ability to host or have close proximity to the tournament. If there was interest from another venue, there would be competitive bids on Douple's desk. Do you think that Rutgers or Maryland will be moving the Big 10 conference tourney to NYC or Baltimore to be fair? Kansas City is not likely to lose the Big 12 anytime soon either. It will take a big reason to change anytime soon. The 2017 B1G tourney is in Washington DC, and the 2018 tourney is in Madison Square Garden in NYC. So, yes, the big conferences move it closer to other schools on occasion also.
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Post by kiyoat on May 10, 2016 9:29:43 GMT -6
They put ticket packages on sale like a year early. Only SDSU fans and some USD and NDSU fans are willing to commit to that without knowing how their season will go. I suppose the fans from teams out east want to see what kind of team they will have and if it is worth spending the cash to make the trip. By the time it comes time to purchase tickets SDSU fans have gobbled up the seats.I understand it is a business and the conference wants tickets sold, but maybe they need to look into withholding larger blocks of premium seats until it comes closer to tournament time in order to make it more fair for fans of schools that are not located on I-29 to obtain tickets. This is my thought exactly. To respond to the Jacks fans asking if tickets are sold fairly, I would say yes. The tickets are available to everyone. It's not the Jacks fans's fault that they buy tickets like crazy. I think that is great for the league. It's a big part of the success of the Tourney. But just because it's fair doesn't mean it doesn't disenfranchise other fan bases. We need to look at ways of keeping all the schools on board, while still keeping the tournament in SF. The suggestion above would be well-received IMO.
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Post by oldhare on May 10, 2016 9:58:36 GMT -6
You will see the tournament rotating as soon as another location can provide a bid as attractive as Sioux Falls. That will include a list of private money sponsors as well as the paid crowd to spice the bid. This event appears to be a major money maker for the teams of the Summit plus some extra publicity for the conference. Taking a much lower income for the conference does not find interest for the members who do not have the ability to host or have close proximity to the tournament. If there was interest from another venue, there would be competitive bids on Douple's desk. Do you think that Rutgers or Maryland will be moving the Big 10 conference tourney to NYC or Baltimore to be fair? Kansas City is not likely to lose the Big 12 anytime soon either. It will take a big reason to change anytime soon. The 2017 B1G tourney is in Washington DC, and the 2018 tourney is in Madison Square Garden in NYC. So, yes, the big conferences move it closer to other schools on occasion also. It likely involves competitive bidding for the locations as well. It is not a your turn situation. Is it likely Ft Wayne can give a competitive bid? or Indianapolis? Sioux City would give a better plan than many of the other venues. The notion that the venue will be awarded in order to be fair might not be on target. The venue is awarded because the conference can realize income. That is the reason Sioux Falls has become the place for the tournament. All the schools benefit in the profits which has been the labor of the Sioux Falls Sports Authority. It has been a slam dunk for the Sioux Falls community as well.
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Post by usdguy99 on May 10, 2016 10:05:29 GMT -6
If you were to calculate the geographic center of the current conference members, I think you would land somewhere around Omaha or KC. Really not that far from SF. Besides, SF has been great for the conference tourney. Huge turnouts of fans, breaking attendance records, especially for the women. I just think we need to do a better job of making the non-jacks fans not feel like they are being boxed-out of the best seats. Does each school get an allotment of tickets to disperse? Those tickets are probably in the center areas. The majority of the other schools probably turn tickets back. The student tickets are on the ends and they are seldom heavily used. The Yote student tickets are probably more used than the other schools. The Jackrabbits and sometimes Bison are close. If a team is doing well, the fans normally come if you remember when Oakland was winning or ORU when they had a good women's team and men's team. WIU brought a good following the year they were co-champs of the regular season. Each school does get a allotment of tickets, however the sections that have been assigned to USD and SDSU have been less than stellar and are not in the center areas. The sections set aside for USD were in the corner behind the basket and were actually moved over a section from the year prior. I asked the Box Office manager about this and she confirmed that was the case. From what I can recall, SDSU had the same thing on the other side...corner sections behind the basket.
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Post by kiyoat on May 10, 2016 10:34:51 GMT -6
Maybe the time that the allotted seats open up to general sales needs to be adjusted (moved closer to the tournament date). IDK
Maybe the other schools need to promote the tickets to their fans better. Someone could come up with a ticket/flight/hotel package for fans that would save them money. (maybe a local group could do that, partnering with an airline and hotel chain)
Just spitballing, here.
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Post by gopheryote on May 10, 2016 12:02:25 GMT -6
The 2017 B1G tourney is in Washington DC, and the 2018 tourney is in Madison Square Garden in NYC. So, yes, the big conferences move it closer to other schools on occasion also. It likely involves competitive bidding for the locations as well. It is not a your turn situation. Is it likely Ft Wayne can give a competitive bid? or Indianapolis? Sioux City would give a better plan than many of the other venues. The notion that the venue will be awarded in order to be fair might not be on target. The venue is awarded because the conference can realize income. That is the reason Sioux Falls has become the place for the tournament. All the schools benefit in the profits which has been the labor of the Sioux Falls Sports Authority. It has been a slam dunk for the Sioux Falls community as well. According to the B1G commissioner: "We don't just want to visit here, we want to live here," Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany told SI.com. "This was our first opportunity to do that. We think it's a wonderful opportunity for not just Maryland, but for expatriate Big Ten fans living on the East Coast to see great basketball in March."
Delany also said Big Ten fans should expect the tournament to take on a traveling circus feel, which multiple cities getting a crack at hosting duties.
"My expectation is you'll see it moving among and between venues in the Midwest and Northeast," he said. "You've got to figure out a pattern. I expect that over the next 10 years you're going to see us in both regions of the country."
Doesn't look like it simply a highest-bid-wins, but a recognition that the conference as a whole is better off if everyone gets some local love. Certainly everyone on this board (Yotes or rabbits fan) views this through homer-glasses, and not how a fan at IPFW or ORU views it. I go to the SL tourney. Would I go if it was in Denver or Indy? Probably not. That is a whole different level of commitment of time and money.
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Post by Yotes on May 10, 2016 12:13:39 GMT -6
It likely involves competitive bidding for the locations as well. It is not a your turn situation. Is it likely Ft Wayne can give a competitive bid? or Indianapolis? Sioux City would give a better plan than many of the other venues. The notion that the venue will be awarded in order to be fair might not be on target. The venue is awarded because the conference can realize income. That is the reason Sioux Falls has become the place for the tournament. All the schools benefit in the profits which has been the labor of the Sioux Falls Sports Authority. It has been a slam dunk for the Sioux Falls community as well. According to the B1G commissioner: "We don't just want to visit here, we want to live here," Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany told SI.com. "This was our first opportunity to do that. We think it's a wonderful opportunity for not just Maryland, but for expatriate Big Ten fans living on the East Coast to see great basketball in March."
Delany also said Big Ten fans should expect the tournament to take on a traveling circus feel, which multiple cities getting a crack at hosting duties.
"My expectation is you'll see it moving among and between venues in the Midwest and Northeast," he said. "You've got to figure out a pattern. I expect that over the next 10 years you're going to see us in both regions of the country."
Doesn't look like it simply a highest-bid-wins, but a recognition that the conference as a whole is better off if everyone gets some local love. Certainly everyone on this board (Yotes or rabbits fan) views this through homer-glasses, and not how a fan at IPFW or ORU views it. I go to the SL tourney. Would I go if it was in Denver or Indy? Probably not. That is a whole different level of commitment of time and money. Entirely different situation as the Big Ten is trying to please their spread out members and spread the Big Ten brand to new areas by hosting their tournament out there. Ticket sales and attendance isn't going to be a problem for them regardless of location so it's in their best interest to rotate around their geographic footprint.
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Post by Yotes on May 10, 2016 12:18:15 GMT -6
Does everyone have their 2017 SL tickets yet? Why are they on sale already and how long have they been available? Still a few seats left, all of which are directly behind the basket and at least 14 rows up. Guess I'll buy from the USD allotment again this year because a corner is better then upper deck or behind the basket.
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Post by gorabbits on May 10, 2016 12:29:27 GMT -6
Guys and/or Gals, you are working to hard to try to make lemonade back into lemons. The BIG and its appeal is a whole different situation. The Summit at the Falls is probably the best thing The Summit League has going for it and schools other than the Dakota Schools agree. The tourney on the women's side is the envy of every other mid-major conference in the country and some of the majors, On the men's side it is the envy of everyone except for 6-10 top conferences. It helps recruiting at all of the schools by being able to tell potential recruits that they will be able to play in front of 7000 or so fans in their conference tournament in one of the best venues in the country. And as a result we have seen the conference grow stronger every year to the point where we are approaching a two bid status on the women side and mabybe even on the men's side. When the tourney came to Sioux Falls it was an open bid process, in addition to getting the most financial support from the community they got a mid sized city where the tournament was the biggest deal in town. Along with that came tons of local and even national press. (A couple of years ago the tourney was written up in a front page sports section article in USAToday. They also got rabid local fan base and a very hospital host. Douple knew what he was doing when he committed to Sioux Falls about a year before SDSU and NDSU would even be eligible to play for the first time.
As to the equity of ticket purchase opportunities. I have yet to see the allotted seats filled by any school outside of the Dakota for any game, so none of them can have any complaints about not being able to get good seats. And as some one above commented, SDSU and USD allocation tend to not be the best seats so one could argue that the other schools get a better deal on those particular seats. It is mu understanding that the unused allocated tickets are not released until shortly before the tournament. As to the baseball ticket connection, all one had to do was purchase a single game ticket to become eligible for the early sale of tickets. If i remember correctly, those tickets were $5 each, so last year i bought a single game ticket even though I was going to be out of the country during the baseball tournament, as it was a very small investment toward a better seat.
Although a coach may occasionally complain, and you actually hear little of that, the Presidents's of all the Universities know that they have a far better situation than they ever expected or than they could get anywhere else. If any school leaves the conference, it won't be because of the tourney, imo.
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