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Post by lakesbison on Nov 6, 2016 21:30:21 GMT -6
So word is, UND is begging the summit league & mvfc for entrance.
email your AD/President and say NO and HELL NO>
they talked so much junk about our 2 leagues and they ripped on USD mercifully for turning down the big sky.
not to mention the racism up there and having to drive to grand forks is a joke.
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Post by sdyotefan on Nov 6, 2016 21:35:20 GMT -6
Are the bizon (who are slipping in FB) afraid of a little in state competition??? The Fighting Hawks would probably win a FB matchup this year....
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 6, 2016 23:26:26 GMT -6
Lakes that is a selfish attitude. They would be good for the stability of the MVFC and especially the Summit League. What other regional school that fits the Summit footprint would be a better addition at this point. The Summit needs to get to 10 schools minimum and they are the perfect fit. The Summit may need them more then ever if the Eastern block of the Summit finds better opportunities elsewhere. UND did have a valid reason to be a bit upset when USD pulled the rug out from beneath them when the Coyotes decided to kind of use the Big Sky as a way to get into the MVFC/Summit. UND is a great traditional rival. Other than SDSU and maybe Augie or Morningside, UND and NDSU were kind of the next biggest co rivals for the Yotes. Being the flagship institution of the other Dakota obviously UND has a lot in common with USD.
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Post by yote14 on Nov 7, 2016 14:36:35 GMT -6
I would love to have UND in both leagues. I know the MVFC is a little tougher sell with how many teams are already in it but I hope they get into the Summit League ASAP.
The phrase it was simply business should apply here. No hard feelings for anything they have said or done. They did what they felt was best for them as USD, SDSU, and NDSU did what they felt was best for them. USD, SDSU, and NDSU have all been in the same boat with acceptance in leagues etc. that of all people we should not make it harder for a former friend and rival to come back again. I would be much more excited for the UND games than IUPUI and Western Illinois.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 7, 2016 16:43:45 GMT -6
Agreed. I get the NDSU hate and I expect their initial reaction to this. Let them get it out of their system and they should come to the realization that having UND in the same conference will be good for ALL of us in the Summit and especially the Dakotas. The Indiana schools may not think so but having 10 in the conference gives it more stability.
As for the MVFC, I can understand why the eastern schools would be opposed due to travel and having a conference of 11 is going to create imbalance. It is not ideal for the MVFC to add another school now given nothing changes in the current membership.
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Post by gopheryote on Nov 8, 2016 14:33:44 GMT -6
I'm all for UND joining both leagues. I think it brings more stability for both the short and long term.
One thing I think I am missing - a number of people have noted the eastern schools not being happy to have to go way over to UND. First, is there an assumption that UND takes away a home game? Is really harder/more expensive to get there than say Vermillion or Brookings? Second, travel to UND vs what? Is there an eastern school being told 'no thanks' because only 1 spot is available, and now UND gets that spot?
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Nov 8, 2016 22:45:33 GMT -6
I'm all for UND joining both leagues. I think it brings more stability for both the short and long term. One thing I think I am missing - a number of people have noted the eastern schools not being happy to have to go way over to UND. First, is there an assumption that UND takes away a home game? Is really harder/more expensive to get there than say Vermillion or Brookings? Second, travel to UND vs what? Is there an eastern school being told 'no thanks' because only 1 spot is available, and now UND gets that spot? Shoot, UND is easier to travel to than Verm or Cow Town. It has a runway and a flight school. |
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 9, 2016 19:41:38 GMT -6
I'm all for UND joining both leagues. I think it brings more stability for both the short and long term. One thing I think I am missing - a number of people have noted the eastern schools not being happy to have to go way over to UND. First, is there an assumption that UND takes away a home game? Is really harder/more expensive to get there than say Vermillion or Brookings? Second, travel to UND vs what? Is there an eastern school being told 'no thanks' because only 1 spot is available, and now UND gets that spot? Shoot, UND is easier to travel to than Verm or Cow Town. It has a runway and a flight school. Lol at cow town |
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Post by lakesbison on Nov 9, 2016 21:52:35 GMT -6
Are the bizon (who are slipping in FB) afraid of a little in state competition??? The Fighting Hawks would probably win a FB matchup this year.... Quite possibly the DUMBEST thing ive ever seen on a message board. NDSU is the Flagship, NDSU gets the most coverage, exposure and actually win at things Most Teams going to UND fly into Fargo, bus 70 miles up, 70 miles back and fly out. Ask all the Big Sky teams. |
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Post by sdyotefan on Nov 10, 2016 6:28:45 GMT -6
LOL Spoken like a true arrogant bizon fan that can't accept the new reality! Just a thought to ponder--how many #2 picks in the NFL draft have you ever had? (hint 1). How many are you likely to have again? (hint 0)
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Post by dagnabbit on Nov 22, 2016 18:00:57 GMT -6
I don't think UND will get any traction with the MVFC. The eastern schools only allowed USD so long as they didn't have to come to the Dakotas more than one game a year. Bringing in UND makes that impossible to guarantee. I'd rather be in a league with Youngstown, Indiana St., and Illinois St. than UND given the choice. I wouldn't mind UND being a member of both our conferences, but...meh.
From what I hear most Big Sky schools aren't super excited about what UND brings to the table vs. the cost of traveling to Grand Forks for all sports, either. The Big Sky would let them go cheap.
I think we'll see the Summit League bail out UND, and the Big Sky will be stuck with them for football for the foreseeable future.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 22, 2016 18:35:35 GMT -6
I don't think UND will get any traction with the MVFC. The eastern schools only allowed USD so long as they didn't have to come to the Dakotas more than one game a year. Bringing in UND makes that impossible to guarantee. I'd rather be in a league with Youngstown, Indiana St., and Illinois St. than UND given the choice. I wouldn't mind UND being a member of both our conferences, but...meh. From what I hear most Big Sky schools aren't super excited about what UND brings to the table vs. the cost of traveling to Grand Forks for all sports, either. The Big Sky would let them go cheap. I think we'll see the Summit League bail out UND, and the Big Sky will be stuck with them for football for the foreseeable future. Montana State and Northern Colorado are the only two schools within 1,000 miles of Grand Forks in the Big Sky, and both are barely under that mark. It really is a wonder how UND ended up in the conference in the first place. USD would have been about the same travel situation. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 23, 2016 11:48:16 GMT -6
I don't think UND will get any traction with the MVFC. The eastern schools only allowed USD so long as they didn't have to come to the Dakotas more than one game a year. Bringing in UND makes that impossible to guarantee. I'd rather be in a league with Youngstown, Indiana St., and Illinois St. than UND given the choice. I wouldn't mind UND being a member of both our conferences, but...meh. From what I hear most Big Sky schools aren't super excited about what UND brings to the table vs. the cost of traveling to Grand Forks for all sports, either. The Big Sky would let them go cheap. I think we'll see the Summit League bail out UND, and the Big Sky will be stuck with them for football for the foreseeable future. Montana State and Northern Colorado are the only two schools within 1,000 miles of Grand Forks in the Big Sky, and both are barely under that mark. It really is a wonder how UND ended up in the conference in the first place. USD would have been about the same travel situation. Because the entire motivation of the Big Sky in the first place was to set up an Eastern flank with UND and USD and use those two schools to lure the XDSU's in. Would have happened too as the BSC was the primary choice of the XDSU's during their transition whether they admit it now or not. The BSC offers a huge western profile for the Dakota schools and if all 4 of us were set up in an eastern division of the conference with UNC and the Montanas we would be just as happy as we are now, maybe happier. The way it played out though is the Summit and MVFC saw what was going on and foiled the plan by offering USD an invite to the MVFC. UND got stuck when the music ran out and is now in the BSC. No matter what the people in Grand Forks tell you the BSC is not ideal. Fortunately for them their hockey program is their marquee sport and the rest of the sports are just filler so people don't really care that much. Well, maybe football isn't filler but football being in the BSC is fine. Heck, USD football in the BSC would be fine, it's all the other sports that suffer but at UND all the other sports don't matter as it is all about UND Hockey and UND Football there. Frankly, it was probably a good thing in the long run for FCS football and the mid-majors in general to keep a healthy MVFC and healthy Summit going. Sure the MVFC would have survived but it wouldn't be where it is today. The Summit would have been toast. For the long term health of FCS football it would be good for UND to be in the MVFC. Hopefully the eastern flank of the MVFC recognizes that and realizes that UND would only make the conference even more powerful, even though I feel their program is actually behind ours but its record is propped up by currently playing in an inferior conference. In the long run UND would be a good addition to the MVFC. |
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