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Post by sdyotefan on Mar 7, 2017 9:31:36 GMT -6
Jack fans need to remember that the Lady Yotes were without TWO seniors this whole season due to injury(and yes they will be back)-- Caitlin Duffy and Jasmine Trimboli. Between the two of them they averaged 13 points the prior season, were 3rd and 4th on the team in assists, etc. Just imagine how much even better this Lady Yote team would have been with these two senior leaders!! Miller is a very good player but not TWO and imagine if she hadn't played any of the year what the jack's record would have been! Next year all THREE will be back--let fun thoughts begin!!!
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Post by yote14 on Mar 7, 2017 9:54:57 GMT -6
IMO without looking I think WIU returns a lot. They no doubt should and will be the favorite if that's the case. Coyote fans understand that but I highly doubt jackhole fans feel that way.
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Post by jacks02 on Mar 7, 2017 10:41:33 GMT -6
IUPUI loses Rogers, but has a lot coming back. Omaha and ORU should also be good again.
Really need to get NDSU/IPFW to improve and get their RPI's into the 200's.
Then adding UND in 2018 brings another quality women's program to the league as well.
This could really become a top-notch conference for women's basketball. I believe Douple said it was as high as 8th this season, no reason why it can't continue to improve.
The days of USD/SDSU playing every year for the championship may be over, but that is what it will take for this to become a 2+ bid league.
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Post by jackfan86 on Mar 7, 2017 10:45:05 GMT -6
Teams adjust to what their left to deal with. Saying losing Macy Miller didn't play part in how could this team could have been is dumb. USD losing Seekamp would have been a blow. They probably still would have been good, but they wouldn't have been near as good. Miller is great, losing her hurt. When your team had five 1st team all conference selections, you all talked about how your bench would be the starting five on other teams as was referenced on the Argus blog one week with Zimmer, and was a 2017 final 4 candidate, losing one player (no matter how good) should not mean a 3 seed and semi-final exit from the conference.
As state fans usually do you grossly overvalued your team. For a 3rd year in a row.
On your message board I'm sure state fans are already talking about how your women are the clear favorites for next year and still the class of the league and team to beat even though it will be FOUR years since you last won the conference.
[ I didn't talk like that. So not all of us were talking like that. We thought our team would be good, it hurt losing Miller. Because one or even a couple fans said the bench could start for other teams, doesn't mean we all thought that. I sure as hell didn't. That's ludacris.
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Post by yotebewithyou on Mar 7, 2017 12:34:37 GMT -6
The point is that you were supposed to be heads and shoulders above the rest of the league plus I thought there was so much talent there in Brookings that they could certainly afford the loss of a player like Miller and still be able to win the conference comfortably. The point is though that every year your fans and the media talk like your team is the greatest thing to walk the earth and they get way ahead of themselves. This is the 3rd straight year that the Jacks have under achieved their pre season expectations. Sure they use the Summit tourney and the home advantage to make themselves look better than they are but the best team is determined in a round robin league schedule. Maybe next year focus on the season instead of figuring out what seed in the NCAA tourney you will be and how likely making a sweet 16 is. It comes off as extremely arrogant and disrespectful of the rest of the league. Had USD not had Seekamp for her 15th season last year USD would have been a good team Ah, back to that argument. It's just crazy for players to have 5 years to play 4 seasons. They should really outlaw that.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 7, 2017 13:45:01 GMT -6
Any coach or team should have a contingency plan to lose any one player on their roster. If they don't they are not a very well run program. The Jacks really never recovered from losing Miller. The Coyotes lost so much more from their program then the Jacks did. Bottom line is that the Coyote program responded well and the Jacks program did not and that is with all the continuity of having the coach and most players back. Maybe the Jacks read their own press clippings. The Coyotes recovered almost immediately from a catastrophic off season of losses. To the credit of the Jacks men they are doing at the end of their season what the Coyote women have been doing all season long and that is recovering from true upheaval within the program.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 7, 2017 15:18:17 GMT -6
Wow IUPUI and Western Illinois are making a lot of mistakes in their women's title game. It's now going to OT. Western Illinois was up by 1 with 4 seconds left and Clemens the best player for WIU fouled an IUPUI player in the open court not very close to the basket to send the Jags to the line. The Jags converted both to take a 1 point lead. WIU with under 3 seconds left threw a terrible pass to the middle of the lane with mainly IUPUI players in the way for an easy interception. Then after IUPUI made two free throws IUPUI allows one of Western's best shooters to get an easy catch and she took one quick dribble and launched an uncontested three at the buzzer and made it. The Jags players (probably about 3 of them) literally just stood there with their arms up and didn't even make an effort to try to stop the shooter. I will never understand the strategy of IUPUI to not foul to allow them to tie but apparently their coaches didn't want a foul and didn't even want them to defend the three in hopes to avoid a foul. Not well played at all by both teams. The losing team is going to regret very much how they played the end of regulation.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 7, 2017 15:24:13 GMT -6
Wow WIU had a 5-7 point lead with under 2:00 to go and they are shooting up shots well before the shot clock expired and that happened at least twice in the last minute or two. It's nice to be aggressive but ya gotta be smart about it and run the clock down in the closing minutes when ya have a decent lead.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 7, 2017 15:28:59 GMT -6
77-69 Leathernecks win it. One of the #1 seeds actually had some calls go their way down the stretch and not only that but they had a team basically hand them the game. For the Yotes their opponent leads a total of 12 seconds and hits the game winning shot with 1.5 seconds left. There have been some very poor last second possessions but of course the Coyotes get burned by one of the only good ones in the tourney. Some times things are meant to be and sometimes they are not. The Gods smiled on the WIU women and frowned on the Coyote men.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 7, 2017 15:42:40 GMT -6
So no auto-bids for the WNIT from the Summit, but all three of SDSU, IUPUI and USD still have RPIs above 100. Hell, SDSU's is in the 30's, and might have an outside shot at an at-large to the big dance. Probably not, though. They will more likely get a top seed in the WNIT. I wouldn't think UNO would qualify for the WBI with their 500 overall record, but possibly.
Maybe we will play a Summit team again....
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Post by usdtator on Apr 13, 2017 10:21:56 GMT -6
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Post by elcoyote on Apr 13, 2017 13:51:46 GMT -6
Question about RPI because it doesn't make a lot of sense to me: wouldn't a league's RPI be determined solely on the basis of a conference's OOC games because once interleague play starts it's a zero sum game? Somebody has to win and someone has to lose and each team's RPI would be adjusted accordingly but leaguewise it would balance out. I can see where a team's would go up and down but not necessarily the league. I pretty much suck at math though. Anyway 11 is good and it sure could get better next year. Lot's of good players coming back.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 13, 2017 14:56:24 GMT -6
A win against anyone in the Summit will not help your RPI enough to offset any losses in Summit play (maybe you rise one spot for your win over WIU but fall 10 spots for that loss to IUPUI). I don't know what all goes into the formula, and agree changes in RPI should be minimal once conference play starts.
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Post by yote14 on Apr 13, 2017 14:58:25 GMT -6
I could be wrong but I believe stats like scoring, efficiency, defense etc are also figured in to RPI.
Plus how teams you played in OOC play in their conference schedules would change your strength of schedule etc.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 15, 2017 19:11:33 GMT -6
I could be wrong but I believe stats like scoring, efficiency, defense etc are also figured in to RPI. Plus how teams you played in OOC play in their conference schedules would change your strength of schedule etc. No and Yes. No, the formula is fairly simple and only considers wins, losses, and strength of schedule. Yes, the value of non-conference games continues to change as those opponents win and lose. Good point.
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