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Post by Cousin Eddie on Jun 28, 2017 13:15:49 GMT -6
Did IUPUI have to pay the exit fee? I thought there was a $1M penalty in place these days.
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Post by larobe on Jun 28, 2017 14:27:52 GMT -6
IPFW should start a GoFundMe for their exit fee No IOU's accepted.Make sure we take the check to the bank immediately upon receipt to make sure it doesn't bounce...lol According to this ARTICLE link ,there might also be a 1 million entrance fee to join the Horizon,due to revenue sharing of the Horizon's ESPN contract,unless it's waived.....OUCH!
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jun 28, 2017 16:20:46 GMT -6
I listened to Tom Douple today more then once and he says so much without saying anything at all. There was really not a whole lot to take from what he said other then the fact that he mentioned that the Summit D2 move ups have been a formula that has worked well in the past. That might be a hint to something. He also did mention that he had ideas in mind that he couldn't talk about. He mentioned that in the long run the league was going to be in good shape. One thing that seems to be a growing sentiment (and not just my opinion) is that Douple either seems to not have a plan or if he does is not showing any sense of urgency at all. All I can say is that if Douple truly doesn't know what his plans are or is really still in a reactive mode then he is not a very good commissioner. IMO if he is competent at all he has a plan and probably a big one that doesn't involve schools east of the Mississippi. My guess is that the plan involves some kind of a merger with schools to the west and my hope is that the state of Montana and beyond is involved.
Lets face it the Dakota schools have already outgrown the Summit as it is today. The money, facilities, tradition etc are at a level above the eastern block of the Summit including Omaha and ORU. The arrangement that USD has now is not a good arrangement for long term vision. The MVFC is the best part of the arrangement but even the schools in that league that are part of the MVC has half their conference that is basically against football and pulling down the rest of the football playing members. It is basically a jumbled mess even though the football programs are strong. If the Coyotes joined the Montana's and perhaps E Washington then that new or merged conference becomes the strongest in FCS and a future move to FBS is not out of the question for the entire conference.
For those that would like to keep the Summit just as is I think the conference tourney being in Sioux Falls was basically the clinching factor of it being a no brainer for the Indiana schools to accept a Horizon invite. Obviously IUPUI didn't think twice. You can only keep programs so long that are made to feel like outsiders. There are other factors as well for IUPUI to leave but the Summit has given no incentive for either Indiana schools to want to stay. Douple was even asked a question on Sports talk on KWSN what a selling point would be for the school to remain in the Summit. Other then the tourney in Sioux Falls he stumbled over his words trying to think of a good answer and that is because there really is none.
There have been multiple senarios mentioned including trying to convince Augie to move up but even them without football can create a long term problem. It's generally not good to have many conference members in a league that don't sponsor football when football is such an important sport for the Dak 4. Each and every one of the Dak 4 is to the point in their development at the D1 level that they belong either in an all sports conference either expanding out west with like schools or to somehow merge with the Valley schools that support football. I would be ok either way but I just don't want to continue this trend of wanting basketball only schools to keep joining the Summit.
At this point if not already discussed it's time for a contingency plan to be talked about a little more seriously. I wonder if the presidents and/or AD's between Montana and Montana State have talked about joining forces with the Dakota's. I would bet that has been on the table in private discussion or at least I hope it has been.
EDIT: Someone on the Bunny board mentioned that they were reading the WAC message board and apparently it is being promised that they will add a new member soon and speculation is that it could be Denver. If that is the case I think that is more then just coincidence. I am really wondering if there may be word going around to everyone but a select number of teams (such as the Dakota 4) that the Summit as it exists may not for long. That would suggest that something bigger could be on the Horizon such as a big merger of some sort. This gets more interesting by the day.
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Post by larobe on Jun 28, 2017 18:58:05 GMT -6
This would be similar to the Big East splitting up that happened just a few years back ...non-football schools(Catholic 8 schools + Creighton and Butler))kept the Big East name while the others formed their own conference ,the AAC (UConn and Co.),but the Big East Conference wasn't poached to death first like what the Summit is going through.Something big might happen as events unfold and situations develop should this trend of everyone poaching to make their future seem more viable continues.The law of physics states that for every action there's a equal and opposite re-action (or something similar). This upheaval (conference re-alignment,whatever you want to call it) is far from over,and will probably get worse as conferences keep expanding like something out of the "Big Bang Theory " going on all the time.Interesting times ahead I think.
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Post by kiyoat on Jun 29, 2017 6:06:44 GMT -6
IUPUI leaving 3 days before the deadline for playing in the Horizon instead of playing in the Summit this season,leaving our scheduling in upheaval, is a pretty chicken 8*** move,pretty low class act I think. Well, they may not have had an invite until recently. Remember The Horizon comish talking about the added school having baseball? I think IUPUI was Plan B.
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Post by Yote 53 on Jun 29, 2017 8:13:58 GMT -6
The only reason anyone of us is wringing our hands today is because of the number of schools in the Summit, not the quality of the schools. Let's face it, losing IUPUI is addition by subtraction. We should thank the Horizon for taking the Summit excrement off our hands.
Now the big issue is who to add or what moves to make next. I am hoping UND realigning with the Dakotas was just the first move in what is going to be a series of bold moves. Our schools didn't drop 100's of millions of dollars into Division 1 athletics just to be crapped on in a crap conference and to have things implode. We are state universities and land grant schools after all. We're not just going to settle.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jun 29, 2017 11:49:57 GMT -6
I agree with IUPUI's departure being addition by subtraction depending on the what happens as a result of it. If it frees up room for bigger and better then I am all for it. If it leads to just more status quo summit league then what is the real difference in my mind. Douple's legacy is very much on the line depending on how all of this plays out.
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Post by kiyoat on Jun 29, 2017 12:06:58 GMT -6
Lindenwood University in St Louis is an interesting option I have seen mentioned elsewhere. They're D2 but have money and successful sports teams. A travel partner to Western Illinois.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jun 29, 2017 13:59:03 GMT -6
Lindenwood University in St Louis is an interesting option I have seen mentioned elsewhere. They're D2 but have money and successful sports teams. A travel partner to Western Illinois. If the summit does not want to evolve then I agree 100% but lindenwood does nothing long term or short term to the desirability of the league. Many people are thinking way too small. USD deserves much better. Let the Whack have lindenwood until they prove themselves.
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Post by gopheryote on Jun 29, 2017 14:54:47 GMT -6
CF - you are starting to sound a bit like the delusional NDSU fans who say "Big 12/Big 10 or bust".
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Post by Yote 53 on Jun 29, 2017 15:14:55 GMT -6
I don't think he's that crazy. Lindenwood doesn't fit our profile. Besides, a D2 move-up will be too late.
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Post by kiyoat on Jun 29, 2017 16:27:32 GMT -6
I don't think he's that crazy. Lindenwood doesn't fit our profile. Besides, a D2 move-up will be too late. How are you defining "our profile?" B/c whatever that definition is, there are existing programs in the Summit that won't meet your criteria. At some point geography has to play a factor, unless you like the WAC model. Turning up our noses at current D2 schools just because they are D2 limits our options significantly in this region of the country IMO
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Post by yotebewithyou on Jun 29, 2017 17:30:48 GMT -6
D2 schools are great for expansion but the Summit isn't able to do that right now. Stabilize, then expand.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jun 29, 2017 18:03:42 GMT -6
CF - you are starting to sound a bit like the delusional NDSU fans who say "Big 12/Big 10 or bust". Who said anything about the Big 10 or Big 12. Teaming up with Montana, Montana State, Idaho and Eastern Washington isn't exactly teaming up with schools out of our league and in actuality those schools are peers to USD. For football the Yotes are getting close to the level of these teams. In basketball I believe we just beat Montana and swept a home and home with Montana State. If anything those western schools will have to up competitiveness just a bit to compete with the Jacks, Bison, Coyotes and Hawks in men's hoops and even more in women's hoops. It's not simply just about how good or bad a team happens to be but it's about the entire academic and athletic profile of the schools involved. USD academically and now athletically are surpassing programs like UMKC and for that matter any school that doesn't offer football. Hitching the Summit wagon to new programs that don't offer FCS scholarship football IMO is a dangerous proposition. The Summit needs to add football or merge with other football playing schools to form an all encompassing all sports conference. Either you play football or why be in the league. I want to see a conference that is self sufficient and not one that is reliant on the MVC and it's politics as it relates to the public vs private and football vs non football playing schools. The MVFC is a good football conference but I don't know how stable it is especially when it contains 3 public Illinois Universities with budgetary concerns that puts their future in doubt as to whether they can continue to support FCS football. I have absolutely no problem with the potential of an NCC reunion with Augie, St Cloud, MSU of Duluth but I don't want it as a half assed reunion. Either move up with scholarship football or find another home. Omaha did that and they are already leaning towards possibly wanting to leave the Summit. Looking into the future what if the Summit added UMKC and Augie for arguments sake assuming neither would have football. If Western Illinois moves on the Summit could get back to a 10 team conference with only 4 football playing schools. So what happens then if the MVFC starts to disintegrate. The Dakota 4 end up kind of stuck in a bad situation with 6 non football schools attached to their wagon. The bottom line regardless of which direction they choose the Dakota 4 need to think in terms of their football and institutional mission moving forward. Now is the time to act, not react. We are in a fork in the road with the likely impending loss of IPFW within a year or two. Either team up with the Valley football playing schools, team up with some of the Big Sky schools or maybe a combination of both. USD belongs with Schools like Montana and Idaho or even perhaps with schools like Northern Iowa or Missouri State. Those are much closer to peer institutions then the Summit schools that are departing or rumored to be departing. Why add schools similar to the ones that are leaving. It just doesn't make a lot of sense for me. USD is heads and shoulders more desirable as a conference mate then they were when they started the transition. They were a Summit worthy school a few years ago but with the commitment to the new facilities, plans for upgrades and recent moves to be more competitive the Yotes are moving forward and I don't want to see that growth stunted.
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Post by Yote 53 on Jun 29, 2017 19:38:55 GMT -6
I don't think he's that crazy. Lindenwood doesn't fit our profile. Besides, a D2 move-up will be too late. How are you defining "our profile?" B/c whatever that definition is, there are existing programs in the Summit that won't meet your criteria. At some point geography has to play a factor, unless you like the WAC model. Turning up our noses at current D2 schools just because they are D2 limits our options significantly in this region of the country IMO CF's last post just nailed it when I was commenting on our profile. State schools, peer institutions with similar missions and similar athletic offerings, aka, football.
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