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Post by usdcoyote on Aug 2, 2018 7:45:26 GMT -6
It seems a major reason people give for why Augie could be drawing more fans than USD is the fact that Augie is playing regional teams that people care more about and we are playing teams that people know nothing about such as IPFW, etc. I agree, and that is a big reason I would be happy to have Augie in the Summit. I am not going to sit here and say "No, we don't want the big gate that Augie would bring, I would rather see if we can scrape up 1,500 fans for the Denver game." If I'm going to make excuses for our attendance due to playing teams that people around here don't care about then I'm not going to turn around and reject a team we would care about. Who do you think is going to bring in more fans, Augie at USD or UMKC at USD? Maybe I'm wrong and a lot of fans will be saying to themselves "You know, UMKC has a bigger enrollment, they are much closer to being a peer institution, I would rather go to that game." However, I doubt that is the way it would go down. Unless I'm mistaken the Summit doesn't have people beating down it's door trying to get in. I can sit here and think that schools like Nebraska, Iowa, and Minnesota are my peer institutions but that's not going to get me an invite to the Big 10. While we sit around waiting for schools that we deem to be "peer institutions" to join us we are going to lose schools like IPFW or Denver or Western and possibly lose our auto bid with it. A few pages back someone made the comment that I agree wholeheartedly with, "sometimes you just need to pay the bills." If someone doesn't know what was meant by that comment go back a ways and read the post I think it was posted by either kiyoat or gopheryote, I apologize if it was neither of you. To me the biggest drawback of Augie moving up is the increased competition for area athletes, and like I said before that wouldn't probably effect basketball as much as it would the other sports.
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Post by yote14 on Aug 2, 2018 7:58:38 GMT -6
Augie cant afford it. Heck even the cramprabbits are cutting sports because they cant properly fund them and we both have way more money than Augie ever will.
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Post by aldewitt on Aug 2, 2018 9:57:12 GMT -6
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Post by aldewitt on Aug 2, 2018 10:32:41 GMT -6
Ran last years Augie team and the Yotes through the game analyser. Augies a 10 point underdog with route potential written all over it. There is a startling disparity in the total season statistics too. The efficiencies of the 2 teams is not that different but the Yotes double anything the Augies do. I have no idea if the basketball statistics would be so entirely one sided. They better switch to soccer or unveil some kind of plan for football that doesn't involve the Dakota Big 3, or any of the MVFC anytime soon.
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Post by kiyoat on Aug 2, 2018 10:47:30 GMT -6
I don't think anyone here or even in the media has suggested that Augie would try to bring scholarship football into Division 1. Won't happen. And the MVFC would never admit them anyway. Pioneer League is the obvious choice, but they could just drop it too. Would be kind-of a waste of a new stadium, though.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 2, 2018 17:39:25 GMT -6
I hate the $400 million and billion line. A local billionaire with a predisposition for charitable contributions and having his name on stuff bought a hospital. Fundraising for an athletic program with a small alumni base is WAY different.
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Post by aldewitt on Aug 2, 2018 21:16:53 GMT -6
I don't think anyone here or even in the media has suggested that Augie would try to bring scholarship football into Division 1. Won't happen. And the MVFC would never admit them anyway. Pioneer League is the obvious choice, but they could just drop it too. Would be kind-of a waste of a new stadium, though. Maybe they could use it for soccer?
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Post by kiyoat on Aug 3, 2018 5:04:41 GMT -6
I don't think anyone here or even in the media has suggested that Augie would try to bring scholarship football into Division 1. Won't happen. And the MVFC would never admit them anyway. Pioneer League is the obvious choice, but they could just drop it too. Would be kind-of a waste of a new stadium, though. Maybe they could use it for soccer? Not sure if you're serious, but that would take some major renovations considering the width of a soccer field, and the fact that Kirkoby-Over stadium is in a bowl that has been carved out of the natural topography. It's actually a perfect setup for football. Like the Sam Houston State stadium on a little smaller scale.
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Post by yotesbacker on Aug 3, 2018 6:40:34 GMT -6
Just a change of pace sort of out of the box thought regarding Summit League expansion: What about Wisconsin, Green Bay and Milwaukee? The Horizon League has been in decline lately. They lost Butler a few years back and more recently Valpo to the MVC. The Summit has surged ahead of the Horizon in basketball status, both men's and women's. Heck, Coach P left NKU in the Horizon to come here and be in the Summit. Those 2 schools are to the west of the Horizon base. Why not think a little bigger than Augie, and get 2 more established basketball programs into the conference? I have no inside analytics on this idea but why not make a run at them?
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Post by JWKunzman on Aug 3, 2018 7:48:08 GMT -6
Just a change of pace sort of out of the box thought regarding Summit League expansion: What about Wisconsin, Green Bay and Milwaukee? The Horizon League has been in decline lately. They lost Butler a few years back and more recently Valpo to the MVC. The Summit has surged ahead of the Horizon in basketball status, both men's and women's. Heck, Coach P left NKU in the Horizon to come here and be in the Summit. Those 2 schools are to the west of the Horizon base. Why not think a little bigger than Augie, and get 2 more established basketball programs into the conference? I have no inside analytics on this idea but why not make a run at them? I'm sure IPFW and Western would like this option a lot more than adding Augie.
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Post by gorabbits on Aug 3, 2018 10:04:22 GMT -6
Green Bay and Milwaukee are additions I have always hoped to see happen. Green Bay is particularly strong in women's basketball and Milwaukee is also good. However they wouldn't do much for our sos in men's basketball. Travel distance is a major attraction for the Horizon. The furthest distances for Milwaukee (Youngstown) in the Horizon are closer than any of the Summit schools other than Fort Wayne and WIU.
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Post by aldewitt on Aug 3, 2018 10:06:20 GMT -6
The Horizon: There are some members there that would make good additions like Milwaukee, Green Bay and IUPUI ,. Detroit Mercy is interesting 2,672 undergrads with just under 5,000 on campus. They offer 19 sports in D1. The Horizon does not have football. The University of Detroit Mercy comprises seven colleges and schools: School of Architecture College of Business Administration School of Dentistry College of Engineering & Science College of Health Professions/McAuley School of Nursing School of Law College of Liberal Arts & Education In some ways it looks like Mercy could be their Augie? It would be interesting to know if the Summit has put out any feelers. I havent heard any talk in this direction but realignment with the Horizon is a good idea.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 3, 2018 10:16:56 GMT -6
Just a change of pace sort of out of the box thought regarding Summit League expansion: What about Wisconsin, Green Bay and Milwaukee? The Horizon League has been in decline lately. They lost Butler a few years back and more recently Valpo to the MVC. The Summit has surged ahead of the Horizon in basketball status, both men's and women's. Heck, Coach P left NKU in the Horizon to come here and be in the Summit. Those 2 schools are to the west of the Horizon base. Why not think a little bigger than Augie, and get 2 more established basketball programs into the conference? I have no inside analytics on this idea but why not make a run at them? I think that would be a boon for the Summit. They also don't have the football issue others bring. Travel would be quite a bit worse than their current situation though.
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Post by kiyoat on Aug 3, 2018 12:10:19 GMT -6
I've got no problem with trying to add the Wisconsin schools. Hell, most of the current Horizon League used to be in the Summit. I'm not sure why they would want to join, though. They are in a bus league now.
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Post by kiyoat on Aug 3, 2018 12:29:41 GMT -6
Actively pursuing schools for expansion doesn't seem to be our commissioner's forte. If there is any kind of plan or vision other than doing what Sanford tells him to do, I'd be surprised.
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