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Post by wrj on Apr 6, 2018 19:12:36 GMT -6
They would have to be voted in to be in the Summit League. IIRC it often takes a lot more than a simple majority,sometimes a unanimous, or nearly unanimous, vote to gain conference admission. The big question is whether the schools more distant from the Dakotas will vote to centralize the Summit even more than now along the northern I-90 corridor.
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Post by gopheryote on Apr 6, 2018 21:11:59 GMT -6
There was a time when a lot of people wanted the NCC to move up as a whole. Augie and Morningside were often considered unlikely to move. Morningside moved down. Now Augie seems ready to move up. Why not? There has to be an entry level conference somehwere to welcome schools with ambitions like Augustana and UNO. The SL is certainly one of those and in a lot of ways is becoming the old NCC. Augie was competitive then and will be a contributing member to the SL. Eventually, sooner rather than later is my guess, they will get the auto-bid to the NCAA. Another plus for the SL, they have baseball. To move up they will have to do something with wrestling and football. Football? I doubt they drop it but who knows, is there a good high school team that could use their stadium? Could they use it for men's soccer? They currently offer 8 men's sports and 10 for women including soccer. I dont know how many they have to offer for men or women. What they would do with wrestling has to be a big question mark. It doesn't look like a slam dunk but i am in favor of Augie to the Summit League. If you love the underdog you have to love the doggies. I was in favor of the NCC going D1. That seems like forever ago... IIRC a big draw of an entire conference going together was that there was no 5-year transition period. Everyone was eligible right away for the post season. I still think that was a missed opportunity for USD/UND/UNO/Auggie.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 6, 2018 21:46:35 GMT -6
They would have to be voted in to be in the Summit League. IIRC it often takes a lot more than a simple majority,sometimes a unanimous, or nearly unanimous, vote to gain conference admission. The big question is whether the schools more distant from the Dakotas will vote to centralize the Summit even more than now along the northern I-90 corridor. Right? I'm not sure that anyone in the Summit wants this. That's why this talk is absurd to me. Dakota schools don't want another to fight with, everyone else would want to avoid this further turning into the Dakota conference.
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 7, 2018 14:55:31 GMT -6
Augie is a life line for The Summit
UNO has 8 sports: football, basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, golf, track and tennis. This would be a good lineup for the Doggies too. They could exchange football and wrestling for hockey at the Sanford Center and use the football field for soccer. Hockey would be the difference from the last study probably with attractive revenue potential compared to the other 2 sports.
I wouldn’t recommend women’s hockey no matter what the title 9 situation.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 7, 2018 15:33:34 GMT -6
If this is all about the autobid and having enough for baseball, we would be better off adding baseball at USD than adding Augie to the conference.
Adding Augie is a bad idea on so many levels. I don't even know why we're discussing it. Probably so the Sioux Falls sports media can feel important with all the D1 talk. The absolutely only think attractive about Augie is that they are located in a populated area (Sioux Falls) in the conference footprint.
Well, what about the other Augustana, the one in Illinois? Literally the exact same school, same name, same colors, same mascot, same enrollment, higher endowment, located in the Quad Cities, so an even higher population area. They are probably more desirable location-wise to our eastern Summit members and would make for easier travel being near Western Illinois. But there is no way we would consider them, so why are we talking about Augustana, SD?
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Post by gorabbits on Apr 7, 2018 16:04:19 GMT -6
Considering where the large donation would probably come from, and the large donations that same source has made to each of the Dakota schools, do you really think any of the four Dakota schools would vote against Augie and risk the withholding of future large donations that source might provide to the schools voting no?
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Post by Yotes on Apr 7, 2018 17:54:07 GMT -6
Considering where the large donation would probably come from, and the large donations that same source has made to each of the Dakota schools, do you really think any of the four Dakota schools would vote against Augie and risk the withholding of future large donations that source might provide to the schools voting no? Yes. We hold more power here than Sanford. The current relationship is mutually beneficial but if Sanford is looking to buy D1 programs there aren't any others in the area to go after.
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 7, 2018 18:48:48 GMT -6
I don’t know about the turf war in Sioux Falls maybe it will be tougher to get corporate dollars but the 100 million or so would appear to be Augies alone. They already draw a big BB crowd so that won’t change. It would create some big games too as well as adding more bus games. I say start scheduling them OOC and see how it goes. It’s not like the other Dakota schools are able to pick up and move at will. Add teams as the opportunity arises.
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 12, 2018 22:06:54 GMT -6
"Adding Augie is a bad idea on so many levels. I don't even know why we're discussing it. Probably so the Sioux Falls sports media can feel important with all the D1 talk. The absolutely only think attractive about Augie is that they are located in a populated area (Sioux Falls) in the conference footprint." Read more: usdcoyotesports.proboards.com/thread/2163/summit-league-expansion?page=7#ixzz5CWMP2fB3I doubt the SF sports media is trying to preen their feathers with Augie D1 talk, they are no strangers to D1. There is opposition from the USD/SDSU fans because of competition and probably familiarity, Bison fans are opposed but have a more realistic outlook and UND fans of course feel this is all too exclusive to allow something like an augie to join. I have to laugh at that. UND is loading up their failed football program with so many jucos and transfers it seems like a capitulation to local recruiting. They can't recruit locally, they can't coach guys up and if they stay unsuccessfull I think it's just as likely we see them drop football as Augie join the summit. I think Augie is growing and reaching a point where it is realistic to talk about sizing the program to their market. If the Sioux Falls market will support a D1 Augie they will go D1 just like the other Dakota Schools grew into their markets. At first I was a little excited about the change and the added local game. Its a chance to visit and enjoy Sioux Falls, just like the USD/SDSU games. For all the games I have seen at those two stadiums I have never stayed in either Vermillion or Brookings, always Sioux Falls. Then I realized Augie D1 is on a slow track. 100 million is not coming out this summer and Augie will not start recruiting for a fall start, although time is of the essence with the 5 yr transition. The only similar sized gift I can think of is Englestad Arena. That was a building of course but it unfolded over a course of many years. I expect Augie D1 is on a similar slow course.
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Post by easmus on Apr 13, 2018 9:28:40 GMT -6
Would guess 2025 would be the earliest we’d see Augie in the Summit.
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Post by aldewitt on Jul 5, 2018 10:44:56 GMT -6
Lot of talk on bisonville about this and, of course, Mr. Augustana, who is speaking very convincingly in favor of the move from the Augi standpoint, is being met with arrogant disdain by many of those fans. They are dead set against it failing to see the irony of their position. NDSU is viewed as "The Augi" when they try and call the FBS. I thought what Mr Augustana posted was insightful so I have quoted it:
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Post by jackjd on Jul 5, 2018 16:04:25 GMT -6
Lot of talk on bisonville about this and, of course, Mr. Augustana, who is speaking very convincingly in favor of the move from the Augi standpoint, is being met with arrogant disdain by many of those fans. They are dead set against it failing to see the irony of their position. NDSU is viewed as "The Augi" when they try and call the FBS.... Augie fans' sentiment about being in the same league as USF seemed to run from strongly upset to vehemently opposed and downright horrified. I think I see some of the same feelings expressed about Augie in the current discussion. If fans had a vote and a vote was taken right now, I'd vote against Augie admission. I suppose it's still possible to convince me to change my mind but I'd be hard-pressed to do so.
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Post by aldewitt on Jul 5, 2018 21:18:55 GMT -6
I see and agree they don’t belong for any number of the reasons given. That’s not enough to make me turn against the idea. The thing I like about it is the survival of the Summit. The Summit is an entry league. The number of schools that have moved onward and upward from the Summit is testament to that. The number of recent move-ups in the Summit is also in support of that point.
Augie is a capable D2 that has ambitions for D1 athletics. If they have the money I’m in favor. It’s what the Summit does. Schools move up, move in and then move on
If all the capable D2s around here moved up it wouldn’t change football much but the basketball would be great. So would baseball and the other non revenue sports.
If there were more move-ups the Summit might even start non scholarship D1 football to compete with the Pioneer. With their D1 hockey commitment UND might be a good prospect for that league.
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Post by aldewitt on Jul 5, 2018 21:50:32 GMT -6
I’ve been a doggie fan for a long time. In the old D2 days Augi was always competitive. I guess looking back I’ve been a fan of all the South Dakota schools particularly enjoying the proximity. I could go to all the NCC games in a days drive. We did too! To me it’s not reuniting the old NCC either. Those schools are the regional rivals.
The Dakota Big 3 have become the dominate brand names in the region but our true rivals are in the Northern Sun. If you don’t believe that call the Big 10 or Big 12 and tell them your looking for a rivalry game, any sport. NDSU has already kicked all their a$$s up and down the football field so they just quit playing. They will quit playing you too as soon as you beat them. Knock off KSU and you will see what I mean.
As the markets grow some of the Northern Sun teams will probably gain D1 ambitions. The Summit should stand ready to welcome them.
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Post by Yote 53 on Jul 6, 2018 8:40:27 GMT -6
I see and agree they don’t belong for any number of the reasons given. That’s not enough to make me turn against the idea. The thing I like about it is the survival of the Summit. The Summit is an entry league. The number of schools that have moved onward and upward from the Summit is testament to that. The number of recent move-ups in the Summit is also in support of that point. Augie is a capable D2 that has ambitions for D1 athletics. If they have the money I’m in favor. It’s what the Summit does. Schools move up, move in and then move on If all the capable D2s around here moved up it wouldn’t change football much but the basketball would be great. So would baseball and the other non revenue sports. If there were more move-ups the Summit might even start non scholarship D1 football to compete with the Pioneer. With their D1 hockey commitment UND might be a good prospect for that league. The Summit was an entry league. For many of us we are coming to the realization that the 4 Dakota schools are not going to be moving on from this conference anytime soon. This is going to be home for us for a long time so we want to build up this home with quality, peer Division 1 schools. Augustana does not fit that profile, they do not fit our profile. We want schools that look like us and have a similar mission, not some small, private, liberal arts school. We already had that in Centenary. Augustana will probably work out just as well too. Nice backhanded jab at UND too. I don't think they'll be going non-scholarship football anytime soon though.
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