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Post by Coyote Fan on Jan 6, 2018 16:06:58 GMT -6
I am actually glad that NDSU won this year as I have generally cheered against them. I have no specific conference bias to necessarily cheer for a MVFC team. The reason I was cheering for NDSU to win is that NDSU fans do not have a pettiness towards the Coyotes like Rabbit fans do. They have more than once stood up for the Coyotes when it came to the playoff worthiness discussion and for Streveler in his quest for the Payton Award. Plus every time they win another title it gets under the skin of those Rabbit fans because they are wannabe Bison when it comes to football.
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Post by aldewitt on Jan 7, 2018 13:05:36 GMT -6
Great game, what most expected. Statistically it looked like an NFL game.
The strong NDSU rushing attack controlled the game. Over 37 min in possession time for NDSU is reflected in more first downs and the turnover advantage. The 2 NDSU INTs were decisive as was the initial roughing the kicker that started the Bison scoring drive in the first qtr. That penalty was well deserved injuring the punter with a negative impact all day.
The Bison Defense is the best. Back to the wall especially in the 2nd half they continually came up with the big play. As the Dukes got closer to the goal line the field got shorter. That neutralized their speed and emphasized the NDSU physical play. JMUs superior team speed was a problem for the Bison. That speed stopped a number of developing big-plays and prevented the Bison from ever effectively getting outside.
In the end it was Darius Shepperds (sp?) speed and ability at WR that got him open for the long scoring bomb giving the Bison a lead they would never relinquish.
The JMU drops were simply a result of the extreme physical hits the receivers were getting or expected to get when they heard the closing thunder of the Bison defenders. Who knows what happens if those balls are caught? I doubt it’s an instant victory for JMU as many of their fans claim but it’s certain things would have been different. It’s far from certain the outcome would have changed.
NDSU faced adversity all season. Their injuries rivaled those of snake-bit UND. The difference was NDSU recruiting. Right now the Bison are stacked with an incoming class rivaling anyone supporting one of the most talented benches in all of college football. It’s been a steady diet of NFL quality players since the NDSU transition started.
Bob Babich first opened the doors to this type of player. Craig Bohl continued that tradition opening up channels for players of Big 10/12 caliber and bringing the NFL scouts that are looking for them. Those two coaches are as fundamental to the NDSU football program as legendary Bison coaches Daryl Mudera, Ron Erhardt and Don Morton.
There is is a lot of talk coming from everywhere on why NDSU should move over to Division 1FBS. Unfortunately it’s not a choice in the hands of NDSUs administrators. Unless there is growth in the FBS ie. New FBS conference coming out of our current footprint, it won’t happen. There is no room in the FBS to share the money or the noteriety that can be earned on the gridiron.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 7, 2018 13:56:26 GMT -6
I wouldn't want to go FBS anyways, not until every team is eligible for the title.
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Post by aldewitt on Jan 7, 2018 14:10:49 GMT -6
I agree with you Yotes. They have closed the club to competition expect among the selected few. Im going to guess without counting there are fewer teams competing for the FBS title than college hockey. Of course of the 60 hockey teams only 12 or so are legitimate contenders. In the FBS club most if not all are capable of contending.
FCS competition is something around 150 schools. It's seen a broad range of contenders, a few of which in modern times have moved to the FBS. There are a lot of programs making noise and I contend its one of the toughest titles in college sports to win.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 7, 2018 14:56:23 GMT -6
I don't watch college hockey, but I'm guessing that all conference champions are at least eligible for the title - same as FCS. Some programs might dominate but everyone has a clear path to a title.
FBS football is, as you said, a closed club. We have a team that couldn't even win their division in the playoff, and UCF (the only undefeated team) only got to 12th in the committee rankings. The current FBS system is a farce. I desperately want the NCAA to step in and install a legitimate playoff. Every other level of football has one, and every other NCAA sport has one.
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Post by Yote 53 on Jan 8, 2018 9:08:05 GMT -6
I do watch a lot of college hockey and the group of contenders is way more than 12 schools. First, conference winners get an automatic bid to the tournament. Second, the nature of the game makes it so that an underdog team can win in a one game scenario, and an underdog team can ride a hot goaltender to the Frozen Four. Shoot, just this weekend the last place in the NCHC team from UNO went into Grand Forks and got a weekend split and #10 Minnesota got a weekend split with #1 St. Cloud. Yeah, you read that right, the Gophers are ranked 10th and the Huskies are ranked first. College hockey is a sport where the big schools can't just outspend the small schools, to an extent, unlike FBS football.
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Post by Yote 53 on Jan 8, 2018 9:14:58 GMT -6
It would be a huge mistake for any of the Dakota schools to think FBS right now. There is no FBS conference anywhere near our footprint, first of all. Secondly, the G5 is treated like crap and the football really isn't all that great. I don't see how football even survives at most of the G5 schools. The attendance is terrible at many of them, program interest is practically zero, and most of them play their conference games on weeknights. No thanks.
The best thing to do is to wait it out for that eventual divide between the P5 and the G5 to officially happen. Then the MVFC (or maybe some other new conference of like minded schools) can move en masse to that "second level".
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jan 8, 2018 12:55:02 GMT -6
I don't think it would be a mistake for NDSU to move. They are a FBS program the way it is. If NDSU moved to a different conference I think that would be the last straw that breaks the Summit camels back so I wouldn't actually mind that. NDSU is at a different level in football than any other MVFC school and they should move up IMO.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 8, 2018 13:13:59 GMT -6
It would be a huge mistake for any of the Dakota schools to think FBS right now. There is no FBS conference anywhere near our footprint, first of all. Secondly, the G5 is treated like crap and the football really isn't all that great. I don't see how football even survives at most of the G5 schools. The attendance is terrible at many of them, program interest is practically zero, and most of them play their conference games on weeknights. No thanks. The best thing to do is to wait it out for that eventual divide between the P5 and the G5 to officially happen. Then the MVFC (or maybe some other new conference of like minded schools) can move en masse to that "second level". My guess is the Group of 5 subsists entirely on TV money and bowl payouts. Not necessarily their own bowl games, but the revenue sharing of the CFP: www.collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2017/9/20/1641497678_131504027204965649.aspx
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Post by Yote 53 on Jan 8, 2018 13:56:18 GMT -6
I don't think it would be a mistake for NDSU to move. They are a FBS program the way it is. If NDSU moved to a different conference I think that would be the last straw that breaks the Summit camels back so I wouldn't actually mind that. NDSU is at a different level in football than any other MVFC school and they should move up IMO. It's hard to sustain the program with regular trips to the Boise Potato Bowl or the Quick Lane Bowl on a random Wednesday in December prior to Christmas. I don't think Bison fans would flock to sunny Detroit the same way they do to a NC game in Frisco. Moving up would kill the goose.
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Post by aldewitt on Jan 8, 2018 15:59:53 GMT -6
I don’t think NDSU should move unless the Big 12 comes calling. Otherwise travel costs would be brutal. It would have to be demonstrated the costs would be covered.
In the B12 The bowls would be better and The fan interest higher.
I think NDSU should wait and continue to use the perfectly good, and paid for, Fargo Dome while building a war chest for the future.
In the meantime maybe the MVFC could morph into some kind of FBS conference.
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Post by elcoyote on Jan 8, 2018 16:04:54 GMT -6
I don’t think NDSU should move unless the Big 12 comes calling. Otherwise travel costs would be brutal. It would have to be demonstrated the costs would be covered. In the B12 The bowls would be better and The fan interest higher. I think NDSU should wait and continue to use the perfectly good, and paid for, Fargo Dome while building a war chest for the future. In the meantime maybe the MVFC could morph into some kind of FBS conference. I really don't see where becoming an FBS conference would be a good idea. I like the idea of the FCS playoffs much better than the idea of an obscure bowl game unless it was the Bahamas or Hawaii Bowl maybe.
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Post by gopheryote on Jan 8, 2018 19:09:28 GMT -6
I know it is just wild fan conjecture, but why do NDSU fans always connect themselves to the Big 12? Even in FB - the NDSU bread and butter - they are not in the same general neighborhood, much less ballpark. MWC would be a homerun for them, but they weirdly think they are too good for it (even though they would be in the bottom 3 or 4 in attendance, budget, etc.).
I agree with Y53 - a move up would kill the golden goose. I wonder what App St. fans think today - happy or long for FCS playoffs? (FYI - App St. averaged 8K more fans per game than NDSU in 2016)
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Post by Yotes on Jan 8, 2018 19:46:34 GMT -6
Big 12 is brought up because it is relatively nearby, and the only one that is desperate for members (but not THAT desperate in reality). Big heads bring irrational assumptions about self worth.
The most NDSU could ever hope for in the current landscape is to be a Boise State. Boise did a good job of showing that no amount of sustained success will garner an invite to the power conferences without a TV market. TCU and Utah were able to parlay success into power 5 invites only because they brought Salt Lake City and DFW. It's been many years since anyone else permeated the power 5 bubble, before TV money took over, and a school from a metro smaller than Sioux Falls does not stand a chance to change that.
I agree with Gopheryote that a MWC invite would be a homerun - IF the goal is FBS. It seems like a longshot that any FBS conference would have interest in NDSU. They're just so far away from the Group of 5 conferences. I think the only way they could go FBS is either independent or if the MVFC moved up.
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Post by bisoninnwmn on Jan 9, 2018 7:18:09 GMT -6
I know it is just wild fan conjecture, but why do NDSU fans always connect themselves to the Big 12? Even in FB - the NDSU bread and butter - they are not in the same general neighborhood, much less ballpark. MWC would be a homerun for them, but they weirdly think they are too good for it (even though they would be in the bottom 3 or 4 in attendance, budget, etc.). I agree with Y53 - a move up would kill the golden goose. I wonder what App St. fans think today - happy or long for FCS playoffs? (FYI - App St. averaged 8K more fans per game than NDSU in 2016) NDSU is already in the Big12 for wrestling.
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