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Post by aldewitt on Nov 22, 2018 3:27:57 GMT -6
We're not advocating scheduling D2s or NAIAs in order to get wins. We're talking about instead of scheduling Montana, Weber State, EWU like we have in the past, scheduling weaker FCS schools. Get the OOC wins, we get tested enough in the MVFC. Go 4-4 or better in the conference and you've proven yourself as a top 20 team in the FCS given the disparity in levels of play across the different conferences. I know and that’s what I’m saying. Only a strong team confident they can win 7 with a D2 on the schedule can make it so it’s risky. NDSU did it with Ferris State a few years ago. Every OOC opponent is going to have some cost. The patsies are expensive. They will price you to your capacity and will only go to the highest bidder. You may need an FBS game to help pay for the patsies but a weaker FCS OOC schedule seems to be the best way to write a ticket outside of building a powerhouse dynasty or join a weak conference with an auto bid.
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Post by gorabbits on Nov 22, 2018 9:33:25 GMT -6
We're not advocating scheduling D2s or NAIAs in order to get wins. We're talking about instead of scheduling Montana, Weber State, EWU like we have in the past, scheduling weaker FCS schools. Get the OOC wins, we get tested enough in the MVFC. Go 4-4 or better in the conference and you've proven yourself as a top 20 team in the FCS given the disparity in levels of play across the different conferences. I know and that’s what I’m saying. Only a strong team confident they can win 7 with a D2 on the schedule can make it so it’s risky. NDSU did it with Ferris State a few years ago. Every OOC opponent is going to have some cost. The patsies are expensive. They will price you to your capacity and will only go to the highest bidder. You may need an FBS game to help pay for the patsies but a weaker FCS OOC schedule seems to be the best way to write a ticket outside of building a powerhouse dynasty or join a weak conference with an auto bid. The key to getting in the playoffs, in my opinion, has a little to do with scheduling unless you are satisfied with just being a bubble team year after year with minimal chance of getting past the first round. It has a lot more to do with building a consistent top notch program with a national reputation. UNI is a good example of that, they consistently seem to make the playoffs with border line records, but usually make a good showing. The strength of our conference this year did, in my opinion, keep a couple of bubble teams out of the playoffs. But in at least the case of Indiana State, they were coming off of a 1-10 record, and so people had a hard time believing they were for real. Illinois State fell apart late in the season and you guys killed Western's hopes (congrats). And NDSU and SDSU have 8 and 7 years of consecutive playoff appearances respectively so the selection committee and polls all expect them to be there every years along with the James Madisons of the world.
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 22, 2018 9:57:44 GMT -6
I know and that’s what I’m saying. Only a strong team confident they can win 7 with a D2 on the schedule can make it so it’s risky. NDSU did it with Ferris State a few years ago. Every OOC opponent is going to have some cost. The patsies are expensive. They will price you to your capacity and will only go to the highest bidder. You may need an FBS game to help pay for the patsies but a weaker FCS OOC schedule seems to be the best way to write a ticket outside of building a powerhouse dynasty or join a weak conference with an auto bid. The key to getting in the playoffs, in my opinion, has a little to do with scheduling unless you are satisfied with just being a bubble team year after year with minimal chance of getting past the first round. It has a lot more to do with building a consistent top notch program with a national reputation. UNI is a good example of that, they consistently seem to make the playoffs with border line records, but usually make a good showing. The strength of our conference this year did, in my opinion, keep a couple of bubble teams out of the playoffs. But in at least the case of Indiana State, they were coming off of a 1-10 record, and so people had a hard time believing they were for real. Illinois State fell apart late in the season and you guys killed Western's hopes (congrats). And NDSU and SDSU have 8 and 7 years of consecutive playoff appearances respectively so the selection committee and polls all expect them to be there every years along with the James Madisons of the world. This is spot on. 110%
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Post by easmus on Nov 22, 2018 21:39:35 GMT -6
Which is why it was so important to make the playoffs this year and establish it as an every year occurrence and not a flash in the pan scenario based on one player. That obviously didn’t happen so I guess we have to get back at it in 2019.
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Post by obc on Nov 23, 2018 12:10:27 GMT -6
In my opinion, the MVFC schedule is enough of a sharpening stone for the team to prepare for the playoffs. My goal with the discretionary component of the USD FB schedule would be to schedule one pay day game (as long as the program needs that to survive financially - if they get to a point where they don't need the payday because home games are so profitable, I would suggest they only play those body bag games sparingly and strategically for exposure). Ideally the schedule would be built to make it a lock to make it into the playoff field if USD finishes the MVFC schedule at 5-3. Hopefully it would be built to make the playoffs with a 4-4 conference record. (like last year) Relying on finishing 6-2 in the MVFC to make the playoffs would be a poor strategy. 3 of the past 6 years SDSU finished 5-3. Had non-conference games been scheduled too aggressively, they could have been left out one of those years.
Starting 2020 USD will play NDSU, SDSU, UNI, and UND every year. I am all for USD running the table but that is a tough lineup. If in most years the Yotes go 2-2 against those teams (that is not a given obviously) - USD would have to go 3-1 against the rest of the MVFC just to get to 5-3.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Nov 24, 2018 8:41:27 GMT -6
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Post by elcoyote on Nov 24, 2018 9:37:01 GMT -6
Interesting article. Since there has been so much focus lately on safety of the players such as targeting and concussion protocol, something should be done to make sure an injured player isn't put back on the field too soon. If I remember correctly this first became an issue in the Pac 12 with Oregon opponents when the Ducks were lighting up scoreboards a few years back.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 24, 2018 13:07:57 GMT -6
All the "concern" for player safety makes this seem like a pretty simple spot to start. It's been at least 8 years since Oregon started dealing with the fake injuries ( link) and not one thing has been done about it. The no huddle offense has increased enough in popularity, why hasn't the NCAA done anything?
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Post by aldewitt on Nov 24, 2018 14:53:42 GMT -6
They are testing the market. If the game draws well they will have the confidence to offer more guarantee money for a better opponent. They have the potential to make a lot of money on this and gain a lot of visibility. If it works out it could be a signigicant revenue stream for them and probably irritate the Gophers as well
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Post by Yotes on Nov 24, 2018 19:23:56 GMT -6
They are testing the market. If the game draws well they will have the confidence to offer more guarantee money for a better opponent. They have the potential to make a lot of money on this and gain a lot of visibility. If it works out it could be a signigicant revenue stream for them and probably irritate the Gophers as well I think you are overestimating how much people in Minneapolis would care about this event. The common person here doesn't even care about the Gophers, a school they view as a junior college playing at Target Field isn't going to move the needle. NDSU fans will travel and make a good crowd. That won't justify renting out the facility and taking money away from the Fargo economy.
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Post by bisoninnwmn on Nov 24, 2018 19:51:11 GMT -6
They are testing the market. If the game draws well they will have the confidence to offer more guarantee money for a better opponent. They have the potential to make a lot of money on this and gain a lot of visibility. If it works out it could be a signigicant revenue stream for them and probably irritate the Gophers as well I think you are overestimating how much people in Minneapolis would care about this event. The common person here doesn't even care about the Gophers, a school they view as a junior college playing at Target Field isn't going to move the needle. NDSU fans will travel and make a good crowd. That won't justify renting out the facility and taking money away from the Fargo economy. There are already 25K + tickets sold for this game. It will sell out. This is great for alum in the Twin Cities. NDSU has many alum in the TC Metro and most cannot get tickets for home games. This gives them an opportunity to see them. Great idea and I hope the AD does this again.
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Post by aldewitt on Nov 24, 2018 21:56:43 GMT -6
The way I understand it is that TCF is free. NDSU gets the ticket money. TCF concessions. NDSU may get some of that too. But that is all second hand.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Nov 25, 2018 9:56:33 GMT -6
I think you are overestimating how much people in Minneapolis would care about this event. The common person here doesn't even care about the Gophers, a school they view as a junior college playing at Target Field isn't going to move the needle. NDSU fans will travel and make a good crowd. That won't justify renting out the facility and taking money away from the Fargo economy. There are already 25K + tickets sold for this game. It will sell out. This is great for alum in the Twin Cities. NDSU has many alum in the TC Metro and most cannot get tickets for home games. This gives them an opportunity to see them. Great idea and I hope the AD does this again. I agree, essentially having one more home game than most teams it's not hurting the local economy. It may attract more new fans which would eventually be a better pay off than another home game.
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Post by aldewitt on Nov 25, 2018 13:12:21 GMT -6
For a lot fans it will be more fun playing Butler there than in Fargo. A big road game for the Fargo fans too.
I hope they out draw the Gophers avg game.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 25, 2018 19:53:25 GMT -6
The way I understand it is that TCF is free. NDSU gets the ticket money. TCF concessions. NDSU may get some of that too. But that is all second hand. I would guess that the Twins/Target Field are taking more than just concessions. They'd be nuts not to take a slice of the ticket revenues, something I'm guessing isn't an issue in Fargo. Good event for the large alumni base, and it is worth mentioning NDSU has more home games than any other FCS school. Not a baffling move when I think about that part of the equation. I still doubt this makes any sort of impression on the locals.
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