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Post by elcoyote on Apr 2, 2018 13:50:40 GMT -6
Am I correct in thinking that if Augie were to be admitted that they wouldn't be eligible for tournament play for five years?
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Post by gorabbits on Apr 2, 2018 14:22:04 GMT -6
Am I correct in thinking that if Augie were to be admitted that they wouldn't be eligible for tournament play for five years? That is correct, they would become eligible in their fifth season.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 2, 2018 17:52:39 GMT -6
This is the exact reason why I have stated in the past that USD needed to take advantage of the Sioux Falls market. Now that the Augie rumor is out there they may take corporate dollars that could have gone to USD. If Augie gets big time money from Sanford whether it is Denny or the Health System that could do quite a bit for Augie to be a player in a pretty short time. I know title 9 is title 9 but I think USD should have started hockey and housed it in Sioux Falls. Now what is to stop Augie from not only going D1 but maybe starting hockey on top of it. The Premier Center is a perfect building for college hockey and now Augie may have that door wider open than USD.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 2, 2018 18:38:47 GMT -6
Augie doesn't need to go D1 to start a D1 hockey program. They could do that right now in D2 and stay in the NSIC with Mankato, Duluth, and St. Cloud. They would easily get into the WCHA. As matter of fact, if I wanted to raise Augustana's profile in the region at the lowest cost possible that is exactly what I would do. Start a D1 hockey program and corner the market in the sport USD and SDSU don't offer. They would own Sioux Falls if they did.
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 6, 2018 23:42:18 GMT -6
Maybe their football stadium would make a nice soccer field?
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Post by gasser86 on Apr 7, 2018 9:24:18 GMT -6
Maybe they could have hockey outdoors in that shiny football stadium
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Post by Yotes on Apr 7, 2018 10:22:35 GMT -6
Maybe the D1 hype is manufactured as a way to get free publicity and add a sense of prestige to their program.
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 7, 2018 14:22:42 GMT -6
Maybe they could have hockey outdoors in that shiny football stadium Or at the Danny Sanford Center?
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 8, 2018 8:54:27 GMT -6
What we might be witnessing is Augustana, always ambitious and competitive, expanding to its market potential. That’s why the NCC didn't move up as a whole many years ago. Some schools had a lot of market potential and others didn’t. Some, like UND were supported in their markets but didn’t have growth to support ambition. They were correct in wanting to stay D2 as the shrinking of their programs prove. Augie is in Sioux Falls. They have a 100 acre campus in Sioux Falls. They will get the advantages of the population base and civic support including sponsorships, attendance and facilities. It is a disadvantage to the big State schools lying to the South and North on the Sioux Falls outskirts. There is a huge opportunity for hockey in Sioux Falls too: Augie doesn't need to go D1 to start a D1 hockey program. They could do that right now in D2 and stay in the NSIC with Mankato, Duluth, and St. Cloud. They would easily get into the WCHA. As matter of fact, if I wanted to raise Augustana's profile in the region at the lowest cost possible that is exactly what I would do. Start a D1 hockey program and corner the market in the sport USD and SDSU don't offer. They would own Sioux Falls if they did. As far as I know the facilities are there. It will benefit BB too as they renew competition with their old conference mates. It it would be nice to get their baseball team too. It would be nice if USD fired up a squad as well. But who knows, the Doggies were always a very determined football opponent earning them a lot of respect. They may just be ready to compete on the FCS gridiron?
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 9, 2018 5:29:41 GMT -6
7 support joining. I’m one of them. Here’s why I don’t agree with other voters.
They are not D1 material:
Augie has always been around. They are not a State University or an established ivy league school. They are a successful private college with a religious base offering curriculum at the University level. They have limited enrollment but have demonstrated for decades they can compete against the best athletically in D2. Their Basketball attendance is already bigger than some in the Summit. They won’t be alone in the niche of a small private university competing at the Division 1 level.
Competition for limited local resources:
I’m not sure what resources Augie will be in competition for that they aren’t competing for now? Their D2 Basketball is already a big draw and would be attractive to many local sponsors. They won’t be competing for students outside of the programs they already have. They aren’t looking for State dollars. If they do gain attendance at sporting events it will be the competition of the Summit league bringing the extra fans. It would actually save all Summit league schools in our area travel money if they can trade the Augie games in all sports for games they currently travel further to play.
RPI drag:
Legitimate concern for a weak league
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 9, 2018 5:40:21 GMT -6
Don’t want to recreate the NCC:
It’s a case of the rest of the old NCC catching up to the biggest schools, at least some of them anyway. There is no interest in any of the Dakota schools from any other conferences that should give them the confidence to be exclusive.
For the Big 3 and Und it’s back to the future. At least the Big 3 had the sense to stay home and didn't work their way into a group where they really didn’t fit and eventually were shown the door. Unfortunately travel in the big sky was only part of their problems. The D1 hockey D1 other sports has been too expensive for them.
UMD, SCSU, Mankato are very happy with the D1 hockey D2 other sports model.
Morningside had the sense to move down to the NSIC.
The best deal for the Summit would be to grow an eastern division as well. Balance the league geographically.
There just doesn’t seem to be many other options for growth and stability. For the Summit the future remains in D2. After all it was the Big 10 or the Summit for the D2 Dakota Big 3 when we moved up. We are in the Summit. Augie has a similar choice.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 10, 2018 16:34:19 GMT -6
Just thinking long term a bit. Sanford could be a HUGE elephant in the room. With the Sanford CEO being an Augie graduate who is to say that Augustana doesn't make a huge announcement in partnership with Sanford Health. Not only a D1 announcement but they could change their name to Sanford University, or maybe the University of Sanford take your choice. They make the move and keep scholarship football with Sanford being a big time funding mechanism. Currently Sanford partner's with the USD Medical school, but what would stop them from expanding Sanford University's offerings and open a medical school. At that point they would put their resources towards that Med School and next thing ya know the USD partnership with Sanford could end rather abruptly. Wouldn't it be ironic if USD's refusal to expand into Sioux Falls (and the same could be said for SDSU) could eventually put USD into the status of third most important athletic college in the State. Augie and Sanford partnering up would probably be a worst case senario for USD. Eventually it could lead to that school surpassing both State schools and becoming the premier college in the state. It could be a long way down the road but Sanford has some pretty deep pockets and funding a good athletic department would be no problem for them. Considering how close Augie is to the main Sanford campus it makes a ton of sense.
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Post by jackjd on Apr 10, 2018 18:50:30 GMT -6
Just thinking long term a bit. Sanford could be a HUGE elephant in the room. With the Sanford CEO being an Augie graduate.... The Sanford CEO is Kelby Krabbenhoft. Thirty-seconds in Google searching confirms the following: Krabbenhoft received a business and hospital administration degree from Concordia College in Moorhead, MN in 1980 and an MBA from Minnesota State - Mankato in 1982 (his hometown is Mankato, MN). Where do you find the basis for stating he is an Augie graduate? [The rumors flying around about Augie/D1/Summit are amazing...'fess up, CF: are you the guy cranking out the rumors? ] I'll bet that Augie does not go D1 and won't think seriously about that topic for at least five more years. [CF: you can shoot back that you meant the COO -- he is an Augie grad. But, there are others on the exec team with degrees from USD...give 'em a call!]
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 10, 2018 19:34:52 GMT -6
My bad I thought he was an Augie grad. Oops.
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 11, 2018 4:11:24 GMT -6
Minnesota State Moorhead was trying to start hockey but fell short of the 100 mill they needed. I’ve never heard Augie mentioned with hockey and feel it’s unlikely they are about to start a program especially accompanied by a D1 move too. If D1 is in their future they will probably work with the sports they have. I like the idea of another school in the Summit. If it’s Augie so be it. I’m not holding my breath. Obviously it won’t be next season.
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