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Post by captaincoyote on May 20, 2019 20:01:33 GMT -6
The Coyotes have won the 2018-2019 Summit League Commissioner's Cup! Our first ever! Congratulations especially to the women for their 4th consecutive top finish. As always, it's great to be a Coyote!
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Post by captaincoyote on May 20, 2019 20:02:45 GMT -6
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Post by kiyoat on May 21, 2019 10:04:19 GMT -6
The Coyotes have won the 2018-2019 Summit League Commissioner's Cup! Our first ever! Congratulations especially to the women for their 4th consecutive top finish. As always, it's great to be a Coyote! Wow. I was not expecting that at all. The women's sports trophy was locked up a while ago, but I guess the men's teams showed enough improvement to put us over the top. Great Job! There has been some real breakthroughs in Soccer, Volleyball, WBB, and Softball this year, and no sign of letting up in any of those sports. Next year should be a fantastic season for both men's and women's basketball. Go Yotes!
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Post by captaincoyote on May 26, 2019 14:15:46 GMT -6
Given that USD, sdsu, and ndsu play slightly different sports, I decided to break down our points per sport (USD vs. sdsu/ndsu). Our men were clearly a little down this year but still good enough to support our women to an overall points total victory. If football were included, we would not have beaten sdsu overall and would have barely remained ahead of ndsu. Our men need to pick it up a little which I expect we will in at least basketball. Track should get back to beating sdsu when we free up some of the scholarship dollars going to Nilsen and some of our national qualifiers (it's a give and take sport). Additionally, ndsu has the highest points per sport average due to playing two fewer sports than the SD schools. Lastly, this breakdown is a little inaccurate, because of how points are allotted high to low instead of low to high as in track and XC which would be more standardized.
Men: 4.67 vs. 5.93/5.12 Women: 6.2 vs. 5.28/6.13 Overall: 5.63 vs. 5.56/5.71
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Post by Yote 53 on Jun 6, 2019 12:41:34 GMT -6
It's painfully obvious that football is the program that is lagging behind. They need to pick it up, plain and simple.
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Post by aldewitt on Jun 7, 2019 0:56:28 GMT -6
Congratulations! Truly a measure of a successful athletic program.
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Post by kiyoat on Jun 17, 2022 13:16:22 GMT -6
Coyotes won the 2021-22 women's all-sports award for the 5th time in the last 6 years, and finished 2nd for the Commissioner's Cup. impressive.
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Post by kiyoat on Jun 17, 2022 13:21:16 GMT -6
Commissioner's Cup
1. South Dakota State 106.5 2. South Dakota -----100 3. North Dakota State -87 4. Oral Roberts ---------76.5 5. Denver ---------------72 6. Omaha ---------------57 7. Kansas City ----------49.5 8. St. Thomas ----------49 9. North Dakota --------45.5 10. Western Illinois ----40
Dr. William Steinbrecher Men's All-Sports Award
1. South Dakota State 45 2. North Dakota State 42 3. Oral Roberts --------35 4. South Dakota ----30 5. Denver -------------29 6. St. Thomas --------24 7. Kansas City --------18.5 8. Western Illinois ----18 9. Omaha -------------14 10. North Dakota -----13
Dr. Helen Smiley Women's All-Sports Award
1. South Dakota -----70 2. South Dakota State 61.5 3. North Dakota State 45 4. Denver --------------43 5. Omaha --------------42.5 6. Oral Roberts --------41.5 7. North Dakota -------32.5 8. Kansas City ---------31 9. St. Thomas ---------25 10. Western Illinois ---22
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Post by Yotes on Jun 18, 2022 13:19:02 GMT -6
Yeesh UND and WIU had bad years all around. Getting outclassed by a program full of D3 athletes.
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Post by ndfan on Jun 18, 2022 14:16:29 GMT -6
yes it was bad year for us in the summit but fact we have to live with is were in National Hockey conference and hockey is supreme sport at North Dakota taking up major resources for all other sports. I doubt most of the other schools in Summit have idea what it takes to run major hockey program with exception of Omaha and Denver. Both those schools game up their football programs to maintain hockey programs. Football is next sport highly supported sport for NOrth Dakota and then comes all the rest of the sports which makes sports we compete in the Summit. I believe our basketball programs should see some improvement this coming year and i expect also our Volleyball program should start to be able compete and hopefully return to its form it was in when we were in the Big SKY. But hockey is king sport at NOrth Dakota, and i don't see that changing where were number one school in all of hockey for attendance for the nation with average attendance of over 11,000 per game. It consumes all of the state in sports coverage and is right there with Bison Football for importance in sports coverage.
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Post by Yote 53 on Jun 21, 2022 8:41:50 GMT -6
That would all make sense except that UND Hockey doesn't suck all the resources out of your athletic dept. It's a revenue generating program and adds to the overall AD budget. You are getting an ROI from your investment in the hockey program that can be used to fund other sports.
UND's problem for the other sports is its location. Why would a HS athlete in the upper Midwest pass by UNO, USD, SDSU, NDSU, or even St. Thomas to go to UND (you can throw UNI into that mix as well). When these kids go on their school visits they literally drive right through these other towns to get to Grand Forks. Yeah, football is different as were all pulling players from all over the country. I'm talking more about the women's sports like basketball or volleyball and the other sports. Just go look at the rosters and you'll see what I'm talking about. Location and recruiting footprint. UND is at a disadvantage.
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Post by nodak651 on Jun 21, 2022 16:06:10 GMT -6
That would all make sense except that UND Hockey doesn't suck all the resources out of your athletic dept. It's a revenue generating program and adds to the overall AD budget. You are getting an ROI from your investment in the hockey program that can be used to fund other sports. UND's problem for the other sports is its location. Why would a HS athlete in the upper Midwest pass by UNO, USD, SDSU, NDSU, or even St. Thomas to go to UND (you can throw UNI into that mix as well). When these kids go on their school visits they literally drive right through these other towns to get to Grand Forks. Yeah, football is different as were all pulling players from all over the country. I'm talking more about the women's sports like basketball or volleyball and the other sports. Just go look at the rosters and you'll see what I'm talking about. Location and recruiting footprint. UND is at a disadvantage. Although that is a factor, I don't think that is the issue. UND fielded solid teams while in the Big Sky and even won or shared championships in Football, Womens and Mens Baseketball, and Volleyball all in the same season (16-17). Most of the programs have kind of gone to shit since our AD was hired from EWU, just after that. There seems to be a lack of focus and investment in other sports, and I feel like there may be a disconnect between UND and the Ralph Engelstad Arena. The usage agreement between the two was reworked a couple years ago and there was public mud slinging between the two parties in the press. The hockey program makes a ton of money, but it seems to be difficult for UND to get that money back after expenses at the REA have been paid. In the meantime, the REA has also installed a 6 million dollar scoreboard and they are currently in the process of a 5 million dollar weight room renovation, while at the same time UND is still waiting to finish fundraising for it's new football facilities, and only a film room was added at the Betty, this off season. I blame Bill Chaves and can't wait until he's gone. Look what happened to the UND volleyball program under his watch, for example.
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Post by Yotes on Jun 21, 2022 22:31:25 GMT -6
So, UND has notoriety and resources beyond anyone we affiliate with, but are still less competitive in all sports than their peers and a D3 program?
Is that a point you want to make?
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Post by Yote 53 on Jun 22, 2022 8:17:41 GMT -6
That would all make sense except that UND Hockey doesn't suck all the resources out of your athletic dept. It's a revenue generating program and adds to the overall AD budget. You are getting an ROI from your investment in the hockey program that can be used to fund other sports. UND's problem for the other sports is its location. Why would a HS athlete in the upper Midwest pass by UNO, USD, SDSU, NDSU, or even St. Thomas to go to UND (you can throw UNI into that mix as well). When these kids go on their school visits they literally drive right through these other towns to get to Grand Forks. Yeah, football is different as were all pulling players from all over the country. I'm talking more about the women's sports like basketball or volleyball and the other sports. Just go look at the rosters and you'll see what I'm talking about. Location and recruiting footprint. UND is at a disadvantage. Although that is a factor, I don't think that is the issue. UND fielded solid teams while in the Big Sky and even won or shared championships in Football, Womens and Mens Baseketball, and Volleyball all in the same season (16-17). Most of the programs have kind of gone to shit since our AD was hired from EWU, just after that. There seems to be a lack of focus and investment in other sports, and I feel like there may be a disconnect between UND and the Ralph Engelstad Arena. The usage agreement between the two was reworked a couple years ago and there was public mud slinging between the two parties in the press. The hockey program makes a ton of money, but it seems to be difficult for UND to get that money back after expenses at the REA have been paid. In the meantime, the REA has also installed a 6 million dollar scoreboard and they are currently in the process of a 5 million dollar weight room renovation, while at the same time UND is still waiting to finish fundraising for it's new football facilities, and only a film room was added at the Betty, this off season. I blame Bill Chaves and can't wait until he's gone. Look what happened to the UND volleyball program under his watch, for example. Or the Big Sky isn't as competitive as the MVFC/Summit. Your athletic dept. took a step up in competition when you switched conferences and the programs started losing. You could say it was a coincidence except that every fan of the Dakota schools was telling you guys when you made the conference switch that the MVFC/Summit was better. There is a reason we called the Big Sky the Big Fluff.
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Post by nodak651 on Jun 22, 2022 10:28:43 GMT -6
So, UND has notoriety and resources beyond anyone we affiliate with, but are still less competitive in all sports than their peers and a D3 program? Is that a point you want to make? I wasn't trying to make a point, because the performance of UND athletics is indefensible. Just laying out the facts of the situation and my opinion. I don't really care if what I say paints UND in a bad light as long as it's the truth. Those REA investments don't benefit UND's Summit league programs, except for a couple much cheaper video boards at the Betty, and women's soccer which will be using the weight room. Although that is a factor, I don't think that is the issue. UND fielded solid teams while in the Big Sky and even won or shared championships in Football, Womens and Mens Baseketball, and Volleyball all in the same season (16-17). Most of the programs have kind of gone to shit since our AD was hired from EWU, just after that. There seems to be a lack of focus and investment in other sports, and I feel like there may be a disconnect between UND and the Ralph Engelstad Arena. The usage agreement between the two was reworked a couple years ago and there was public mud slinging between the two parties in the press. The hockey program makes a ton of money, but it seems to be difficult for UND to get that money back after expenses at the REA have been paid. In the meantime, the REA has also installed a 6 million dollar scoreboard and they are currently in the process of a 5 million dollar weight room renovation, while at the same time UND is still waiting to finish fundraising for it's new football facilities, and only a film room was added at the Betty, this off season. I blame Bill Chaves and can't wait until he's gone. Look what happened to the UND volleyball program under his watch, for example. Or the Big Sky isn't as competitive as the MVFC/Summit. Your athletic dept. took a step up in competition when you switched conferences and the programs started losing. You could say it was a coincidence except that every fan of the Dakota schools was telling you guys when you made the conference switch that the MVFC/Summit was better. There is a reason we called the Big Sky the Big Fluff. In the Grand Scheme of things, both conferences (BigSky/Summit) are at about the same level nationally, though I would say that top to bottom the MVFC is much better, and the Big Sky can't match the top couple women's volleyball/basketball programs in the Summit, but when UND was in the Big Sky you also weren't THIS good (USD vb/bb). I do generally agree with you though, and since the Summit is a good conference, and overall better than the Big Sky, the lack of investment and focus that UND has provided to the basketball and volleyball programs has only compounded the matter. UND hasn't really invested anything in those programs while USD,NDSU,ORU, and SDSU have all recently made or are planning major facilities improvements. UND has a bunch of facilities stuff on it's master plan, but the AD has been completely silent about that stuff since he's been here. Terrible marketing, no schematics or renderings easily available anywhere, no fundraising achievements since our AD has been at UND. He's been saying we have been "close" on the new football facility for like three years now, but nothing has happened and they apparently have decided that a "public" fundraising phase is unnecessary. Meanhwhile they dump 10+ million into hockey facilities. The Ralph currently has 4 million in cash set aside in a improvements fund and another like 6-8 million in cash, and yet nothing has been done to kick start the basketball practice gym, AND the ralph can also take out loans, but they have done nothing. The Ralph also takes over 50% of all UND ticket revenue (including football) and 100% of suite sales (1000 seats not included in ticket rev), 100% of concessions/beer, and 100% of merchandise. They haven't allocated any non mandatory income to UND the past two years, while at the same time they have literally millions of dollars on their balance sheets and no debt. The facility gets handed over to UND officially in 2030. Until then, or until UND and REA management get on the same page, I wouldn't be surprised if the status quo remains the same. Football performance has been fine, IMO, despite the stalled facilities improvements.
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