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Post by kiyoat on Feb 24, 2020 9:46:53 GMT -6
Summit MBB Standings: South Dakota State 13-2 Won 8 NEXT: @ndsu
North Dakota State 11-3 Lost 1 NEXT: SDSU, Omaha South Dakota ------- 9-6 Lost 3 NEXT: UND Omaha ---------------8-6 Won 3 NEXT: UND, @ndsu Oral Roberts ---------7-7 Lost 1 NEXT: WIU, PFW North Dakota --------7-7 Won 1 Purdue Fort Wayne --5-9 Lost 3 Western Illinois -----2-12 Lost 9 Denver --------------2-12 Won 1 Monday update on Men's standings. Still nobody has locked in a seed. The Summit regular season title will come down to the NDSU/SDSU game, and possibly the Omaha/NDSU game. USD can still lock the 3-seed with a win over UND, or an Omaha loss in either of their final games.
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Post by usdcoyote on Feb 24, 2020 14:35:04 GMT -6
Summit MBB Standings: South Dakota State 13-2 Won 8 NEXT: @ndsu
North Dakota State 11-3 Lost 1 NEXT: SDSU, Omaha South Dakota ------- 9-6 Lost 3 NEXT: UND Omaha ---------------8-6 Won 3 NEXT: UND, @ndsu Oral Roberts ---------7-7 Lost 1 NEXT: WIU, PFW North Dakota --------7-7 Won 1 Purdue Fort Wayne --5-9 Lost 3 Western Illinois -----2-12 Lost 9 Denver --------------2-12 Won 1 Monday update on Men's standings. Still nobody has locked in a seed. The Summit regular season title will come down to the NDSU/SDSU game, and possibly the Omaha/NDSU game. USD can still lock the 3-seed with a win over UND, or an Omaha loss in either of their final games. If we win we obviously do get the #3, but if we don't then I don't think we get it locked up just by having UNO lose one of their last two, do we? If UND beats us then we will have split with them and Oral and we could all be 9-7. If NDSU gets the #1 seed then both UND and Oral split with them and we got swept. I guess what seed do they figure out first--the top or the bottom? For example, if it finishes like this, what would the seeding be: NDSU 13-3 SDSU 13-3 USD 9-7 (split w/SDSU, swept by NDSU, split w/UND and Oral) UND 9-7 (split w/NDSU, swept by SDSU, split w/USD and Oral) Oral 9-7 (split w/NDSU, swept by SDSU, split w/USD and UND) UNO 8-8 Now hopefully we just make it easy and beat UND at home like we should.
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Post by jacks6106 on Feb 24, 2020 15:44:08 GMT -6
Monday update on Men's standings. Still nobody has locked in a seed. The Summit regular season title will come down to the NDSU/SDSU game, and possibly the Omaha/NDSU game. USD can still lock the 3-seed with a win over UND, or an Omaha loss in either of their final games. If we win we obviously do get the #3, but if we don't then I don't think we get it locked up just by having UNO lose one of their last two, do we? If UND beats us then we will have split with them and Oral and we could all be 9-7. If NDSU gets the #1 seed then both UND and Oral split with them and we got swept. I guess what seed do they figure out first--the top or the bottom? For example, if it finishes like this, what would the seeding be: NDSU 13-3 SDSU 13-3 USD 9-7 (split w/SDSU, swept by NDSU, split w/UND and Oral) UND 9-7 (split w/NDSU, swept by SDSU, split w/USD and Oral) Oral 9-7 (split w/NDSU, swept by SDSU, split w/USD and UND) UNO 8-8 Now hopefully we just make it easy and beat UND at home like we should. From what I can tell if this scenario played out then it would be 1NDSU 2 SDSU 3 UND 4 ORU 5 USD 6 Omaha UND and ORU would be ahead of USD with a split vs NDSU and then you have to go all the way down to Denver to break the tie between UND and ORU. Again this may not be correct but my quick run through the standings and tie breaker rules this is what I came up with
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 24, 2020 17:03:14 GMT -6
Monday update on Men's standings. Still nobody has locked in a seed. The Summit regular season title will come down to the NDSU/SDSU game, and possibly the Omaha/NDSU game. USD can still lock the 3-seed with a win over UND, or an Omaha loss in either of their final games. ... what seed do they figure out first--the top or the bottom? ... Tie-break ProceduresA. Tie-break procedures shall be used ONLY to determine seeds for the Championship. Regular season standings shall stand. B. If there are multiple ties, the ties shall be broken in descending order. (i.e., a tie at the #1 position will be broken before any others). C. Once a tie is broken using the procedures below, it shall remain broken for purposes of all future comparisons. D. Two-team Tie-break Criteria. The following criteria shall be applied (in order) to break ties between two teams: 1. Results of head-to-head competition between the two tied teams. 2. Comparison of each tied team’s record against the team occupying the highest position in the standings continuing down through the standings until a team gains an advantage. 3. When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that group’s own tie-breaking procedure) rather than the performance against individual tied teams.4. Point differential (maximum four for winning team) for league matches only between the teams involved in the tie. 5. Point differential (maximum four for winning team) between each of the tied teams against the team occupying the highest position in the standings continuing down through the standings until a team gains an advantage. 6. If a tie still cannot be broken after applying criteria (1), (2), (3), (4) and (5) it will be broken by the most recent ITA rankingsE. Three or More Team Tie-break Criteria. The following shall be applied to break ties between three or more teams: 1. Results of each tied team’s collective record against the other teams tied for the same position. 2. If multiple ties still remain, then each tied team’s record shall be compared to the team or group (if 2 or more are tied) occupying the highest position in the standings continuing down through the standings until a team gains an advantage. 3. Point differential (maximum four for winning team) for league matches only between the teams involved in the tie. 4. Point differential (maximum four for winning team) between each of the tied teams against the team occupying the highest position in the standings continuing down through the standings until a team gains an advantage. 5. If a tie still cannot be broken after applying criteria (1), (2), (3) and (4) it will be broken by the most recent ITA rankings.6. If the above results in two teams remaining, the two-team tiebreaker is used.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 24, 2020 17:26:06 GMT -6
Sorry for the huge post, but I thought I'd put the whole tiebreaker out there for reference.
1. The SDSU/NDSU tie for 1st would be resolved first.
2. If (when resolving the 1st place tie) there was a tie lower than them, when comparing SDSU/NDSU W/L records vs those tied teams, you would look at the collective record of each XDSU vs that collective group of tied teams.
3. Once the tie is resolved between SDSU/NDSU, then their rank order would be used to break other ties. They would no longer be considered tied (for seeding purposes). So if SDSU wins the tie (they would in this scenario), a win against them ranks higher in comparing records for other tie-breakers.
4. After going through this exercise, I think that only Omaha can take the 3-seed away from us, and they would have to win out with a USD loss.
5. This is what parity looks like.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 24, 2020 17:36:31 GMT -6
If we win we obviously do get the #3, but if we don't then I don't think we get it locked up just by having UNO lose one of their last two, do we? If UND beats us then we will have split with them and Oral and we could all be 9-7. If NDSU gets the #1 seed then both UND and Oral split with them and we got swept. I guess what seed do they figure out first--the top or the bottom? For example, if it finishes like this, what would the seeding be: NDSU 13-3 SDSU 13-3 USD 9-7 (split w/SDSU, swept by NDSU, split w/UND and Oral) UND 9-7 (split w/NDSU, swept by SDSU, split w/USD and Oral) Oral 9-7 (split w/NDSU, swept by SDSU, split w/USD and UND) UNO 8-8 Now hopefully we just make it easy and beat UND at home like we should. From what I can tell if this scenario played out then it would be 1NDSU 2 SDSU 3 UND 4 ORU 5 USD 6 Omaha UND and ORU would be ahead of USD with a split vs NDSU and then you have to go all the way down to Denver to break the tie between UND and ORU. Again this may not be correct but my quick run through the standings and tie breaker rules this is what I came up with I believe SDSU actually wins the tie with NDSU (in this specific scenario) 1. they split the H2H 2. Collective records vs USD/UND/ORU: (SDSU: 5-1 NDSU: 4-2) So then USD gets the 3-seed with the only win over SDSU. You are probably right with the UND-ORU tiebreaker, though. 1. SDSU 2. NDSU 3. USD 4. UND 5. ORU 6. Omaha Now if USD isn't in a tie, then NDSU would win that tiebreaker for #1, because they swept us. Interesting point: Both SDSU and USD can still control their fates for the 1 and 3 seed.
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Post by elcoyote on Feb 24, 2020 19:49:43 GMT -6
Obviously we just need to take care of business ourselves and win against UND. Other than that, it seems SDSU winning the league over NDSU works in our favor. Am I reading that correctly? One of those instances where I pull for the bunnies to win?
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Post by yoteforever on Feb 24, 2020 20:49:52 GMT -6
Obviously we just need to take care of business ourselves and win against UND. Other than that, it seems SDSU winning the league over NDSU works in our favor. Am I reading that correctly? One of those instances where I pull for the bunnies to win? N E V E R
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Post by Yotes on Feb 24, 2020 21:09:23 GMT -6
Obviously we just need to take care of business ourselves and win against UND. Other than that, it seems SDSU winning the league over NDSU works in our favor. Am I reading that correctly? One of those instances where I pull for the bunnies to win? We likely have to beat both of the xDSUs either way. Keep rooting against both of them.
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Post by elcoyote on Feb 24, 2020 22:43:01 GMT -6
I want to avoid ORU at all costs. Just don't think we match up well with them at all which is why I think getting the third seed is huge.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 25, 2020 6:29:41 GMT -6
What is sad about this is that the Coyotes played themselves into a mid tier team now. They were in the upper tier with the XDSU's but that has now history. I don't think it really matters to me but if the Yotes are in the same half as the Jacks round 2 will be the end of the road if they get that far. They have still never beaten them in the D1 era outside of Vermillion. Unless they win the tourney I think this has to go down as a disappointing season and the last 3 games made that so.
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Post by lakesbison on Feb 26, 2020 21:01:52 GMT -6
1 ndsu 2 sdsu 3 oru 4 usd 5 omaha 6 pfw 7 und 8 Wii . that's how I see it playing out. sdsu/NDSU could flip. as could usd/oru
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Post by Yotes on Feb 27, 2020 6:25:35 GMT -6
1 ndsu 2 sdsu 3 oru 4 usd 5 omaha 6 pfw 7 und 8 Wii . that's how I see it playing out. sdsu/NDSU could flip. as could usd/oru We aren't going to blow it against UND like you guys did. You can pencil us in as the 3 now. UNO and ORU are going to be 4/5. Doesn't matter which order. Fort Wayne is already locked in at the 7, not sure why you flipped them with UND. Then Denver and WIU have their play-in game against each other on Saturday for the 8 seed. I'd bet on Denver since it's at their place. 1/2 xDSU 3 USD 4/5 UNO/ORU 6 UND 7 PFW 8 Denver/WIU
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Post by Yotes on Feb 27, 2020 6:59:37 GMT -6
Also, there is no scenario where NDSU can be 1 and we are 4. USD clinches 3 with a win against UND, or if UNO loses to NDSU. NDSU has to beat UNO to get the 1 seed.
The only way USD can drop to a 4 seed is if both happen: USD loses to UND NDSU loses to UNO
It's looking exceedingly likely that USD is the 3 seed, and that we are headed for a rematch against UND in the first round.
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Post by usdcoyote on Feb 27, 2020 8:36:27 GMT -6
We were seconds from having the 3 seed wrapped up last night. UND led UNO by one with under 10 seconds to go in OT. I don't love playing UND twice in a row, but I guess I like it better than playing Oral in the first round.
Has anyone heard anything about Wilson? I assume he's not playing against NDSU but will be just fine for the SLT.
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