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Post by CONCERNED YOTE on Jul 4, 2011 7:55:06 GMT -6
Actually Spencer's last day is the 16th of this month (July). So what does that tell you?
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Post by CONCERNED YOTE on Jul 4, 2011 8:01:57 GMT -6
Also don't you think that if Spencer got his "walking papers" at the end of the season that Ed would have found someone for Spring ball? And Spencer was still doing the recruiting stuff as well. Doesn't make any sense if he was given his "walking papers." Why would someone take care of everyday operations like nothing is going on and then you don't have anyone in place during spring ball? Makes no sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2011 12:08:03 GMT -6
Actually Spencer's last day is the 16th of this month (July). So what does that tell you? It tells me July 16th is his last day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2011 12:14:33 GMT -6
Also don't you think that if Spencer got his "walking papers" at the end of the season that Ed would have found someone for Spring ball? And Spencer was still doing the recruiting stuff as well. Doesn't make any sense if he was given his "walking papers." Why would someone take care of everyday operations like nothing is going on and then you don't have anyone in place during spring ball? Makes no sense. Contracts run from July 1, 2010 to June 30th 2011. I guessing there might have been a mutual agreement that his contract would not be renewed. Needing to put food on the table, Spencer probably decided not to leave in a huff. These are grown men, who can have differences and can respect each other as people. I do have problems with Coyote #1 angle after reading the complete bio on Spencer on the offical USD website. There is nothing in the bio that would suggest issues or problems. He came to USD highly recommended from Joe Glenn for whom Spencer worked with at Wyoming. Joe Glenn is a USD grad. Apparently the offensive line did their job last year and if its about Coach Spencers production, then thats not the issue. There apparently are other issues. I see he is wide receivers and special teams co-ordinator at Mary which would expose him to different parts of the game in terms of coaching. If Spencer does have a head coaching job in mind down the roard, it be helpful to coach all parts of the game before he took that job.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Jul 4, 2011 16:33:40 GMT -6
Concerned Yote,
I got the information from a former DWU baseball coach...if you would like to know the year, just let me know...but he definitely was not lying to me and he got the information from the horse's mouth.
Honestly, Spencer is going from the recruiting coordinator at a D-I school and OL coach to special teams coordinator and wide receivers coach. That is a step down. Everyone says he wanted the coordinator position, and he had one. Is the special teams coordinator spot really that special over the recruiting coordinator honestly?
Nidaros, Ed and TS were friends, but if TS wanted a chance to move up, which Mary DOES give him I bet, well, that could've become a point of contention with the two. I am sure the two will still be good friends, but there is probably a little bitterness right now.
Both coaches became perfect at twisting the story their way and know how to sell it. How many times has Ed told people one thing and it was COMPLETELY false, even when it comes to the spring game? More than multiple times. That's the job as the coach.
My sources are MORE than reliable, let's put it that way. Also, if the last day is July 16..that tells me even more, especially since they had the send off already....and with contracts ending on June 30...like they do for all of the coaches on a yearly basis.
Sorry if you don't like my post concerned Yote, but I am not making this stuff up. This is what happens at the D-I level.
Also, would love it if you joined the site.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2011 5:36:25 GMT -6
Concerned Yote, Nidaros, Ed and TS were friends, but if TS wanted a chance to move up, which Mary DOES give him I bet, well, that could've become a point of contention with the two. I am sure the two will still be good friends, but there is probably a little bitterness right now. Both coaches became perfect at twisting the story their way and know how to sell it. I believe you and in coaching there are all sorts of opportunity for differences in opinion. Ed having made the choice of not renewing the contract has to be very careful in what he says to the public, particularily about personnel changes. Maybe for Coach Spencer it was time to move on. With his production in OL statistics he would not have a problem getting another job. The Mary job could be a bridge job for this year.
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Post by TS on Jul 6, 2011 6:29:11 GMT -6
So I got this site address from a friend of mine (You know who you are Thanks) and they said that there was a post about me. I honestly didn't care at all but then they said that it was good things and bad things. I have never been on this site before but decided to take a look. So after reading the posts I decided to set the record straight for those of you that want to hear the "TRUTH". But before we get to the facts I have a question for you all. Name me ONE coach that has went from position coach or recruiting coordinator to head coach at another school without being a O/D/ST coordinator? (This will give you some insight later)
First of all I was not fired, or let go and there was no mutual agreement like you guys all think. When I sat in Ed's office on Feb. 17, 2005 I told him specifically after he asked me what my goals were in coach I responded (and I quote) "To be an offensive coordinator and ultimately become a head coach. So if you are looking for someone to be your assistant for 10-15 years then you have the wrong guy." His response was "That is why I am hiring you." So that brings me to this little scenario. After Myron Schulz called Ed about the job opportunity, me and Ed talked. He was upset but understood. Then when I was offered the job I didn't take it right away. I talked to a few people there at USD about the job opportunity I was presented. Finally I went into Ed's office to talk to him about the job opportunity. He then asked me if I thought about it and what were some of the pros and cons. He did a very good job at trying to keep me. He even offered me a title of Assistant Head Coach with no pay raise (figure that one out). Then I reminded him of my goals of wanting to be a coordinator and a head coach and then asked him "If Wes left, would I get the OC job." Ed said "it all depended on if there was a guy out there that was from a D1 school that was looking that had coordinator experience like Gordy or Tony Petersen." So that told me right there that I wasn't next in line. At the University of Mary, I will be the ST coordinator and I am next in line to be the OC. I am not even assured that I will be the next OC at USD and have been there the longest. How many OC/DC have been there in my tenure? 9.......... I also looked at it as Wes is not going to leave anytime soon and he does a great job there calling the offense and I am behind the 8 ball and would never get a chance to do what I want to do and that is call offensive plays. I have known Myron Schulz (The head coach at U. Mary) for about 17 years. He has tried to get me on his staff before when I was at Carroll, and I talk to him throughout the season every year like I do other coaches. Is this a step back? Some people view it as that. I don't however, because I never knew when I was going to get my chance and shot at USD and I do here. So what that it was a Division I school. That doesn't make any difference at all. The final answer is what makes you happy and can you reach your goal in that process. As for all of the other things that were said on this board 99% of them have nothing to do with anything and aren't correct. It is funny to see how people come up with things and then see how many reactions they can get and then others run with it. I never cared about the 1 year contracts at all. I ALWAYS knew that if I did my job to the best of my ability that I would have good players, good people and I would have a job the next year. So the 1 year contract NEVER played a role in the reason for me leaving at all. There was no "law suit" that would have taken place at all like nidaros had posted. I wouldn't sue anyone over a job. Hey, if I am not the right man for the job then I would want to be fired. Simple as that. I have never pulled any punches and won't ever in the future. If I was a head coach and someone wasn't doing their job, just get rid of them.
Yoteforever and jman1985- Thanks for the words of confidence. I don't know who you are at all on this site (but sure I know who you are in person) but I appreciate everything especially the encouraging words especially as I enter this new chapter in my life.
Concerned Yote- I know who you are now that you gave me some insight as to when you asked me and Ed if I was fired. At least you came to us and asked us. Thanks for that. It means a lot.
#1coyotefan- Don't know who you are at all but I gotta say that you are just going with what you thought was the truth because you heard it from a source. I gotta respect you for that, because you thought that it was a reliable source. Wish that you would have came to me and asked me, I would have told you the truth. I have nothing to hide at all. As for the "send off" that you were talking about. The reason that the "send off" was last Thursday was because of this. Nobody was going to be there at all on Friday to this Monday (July 4th) because they were all going to be home and gone their separate ways during the holidays. On July 5-10 I will be working the University of Mary's football camp (I am here now) then I will head back to Vermillion for a few days. When I head back to Vermillion USD will be in football camp until the 17th. Other coaches and people from the athletic dept. will be gone for vacation and other things and will not be able to attend if I had it then. The recruiting week goes from Sunday-Saturday. The 16th is a Saturday and I have logs and other things to turn in to the University compliance people that week and I decided that I would make the week out of it and then just be done on the compliance calendar week. After the football camps the coaches will be going on their last vacation before the start of 2-A-Days and I will have to get ready for the season here in Bismarck. So the best time to do it was last Thursday and that is why the send off was on that day and date. Not because of any other reason that people THINK they know about, or heard from a former baseball coach or someone at HyVee, or someone working at the bookstore or from the Pope himself. I can't help what Ed may say but it all comes back to him and I and other guys in the office know what was said and Words such as "You're fired or I am going to have to let you go." was never brought up at all. Again if you know who I am then you should have just asked me. I would tell you what's going on. I have NO reason to lie.
My goal is to be a head coach and that is the ultimate goal I have. The only way to do that is to be an OC and then go from there. Without calling plays, my goal will NEVER happen. AD's aren't hiring people to be their head coaches with no coordinator (O&D NOT recruiting coordinator) experience. My former coach, Coach Petrino told me when I first started coaching. He said "Never stay in one place for a long time. Either you will get too content, stay there and never be able to get out, or you will never be able to move up the ladder unless you are a coordinator." When I talked to him before I made this decision a couple of weeks ago, he said the same thing to me, and this is 16 years later. I took those words to heart, and never forgot them from 1996 to now. I love the Vermillion community and it is special to me. I have so many friends there and will keep in contact with a lot of them from here on out. Who knows maybe I will spend some vacation time there in the future. I love that Ed gave me an opportunity to coach this great game of football and let me coach the way I know how to coach. He is the one that provided me with this opportunity that I have received from the University of Mary. Ed and his family have been nothing but great to me in my time here. I love the coaches that I coached with from Dodson, to Glo, to Caruso, to Triplett, to Breske, to Morrell and all of the great GA's that busted their butts for us full time coaches. I love Bruce and his training staff and equipment staff and thank them for all they have done and not to forget the administration staff, mainly the Ad's and Jenny Moran that have done so much for me in my time there. And the Strength and Conditioning staff have done a great job and done a lot for me in my time there as well. Last and definitely not least I thank that players. Even though Saturdays during the season were a blast, there was nothing better than the Saturday's in early May and watching them walk across that stage and receive their degrees. I have not missed one graduation at all since I have been at USD. And graduating is the main objective when it is all said and done. My guys played their asses off for me, AND they graduated. There hasn't been one O-Lineman that I have coached that hasn't graduated since I have been at USD. I am proud of their accomplishments and all americans and all conference stats on the field but I am more proud of that stat. Dave Lorenz and his staff worked numerous hours to make sure kids were on track to graduate and get out of there. He deserves all the credit. But the kids have to want to do it and they did. It is WAY more important for a kid to say that "I am a college graduate" than "I am former college football player."
Matt Houk the Volleyball coach there at USD said to me about a month ago "At the end of the night when you lay your head down to go to sleep and you can't sleep then something is wrong and you aren't making good decisions. If you are able to sleep then that must mean that you are making good decisions in your life." Well I have been sleeping VERY good the last week or so.
All I know is that I am looking forward to my new endeavor here at the University of Mary. It is going to be a special opportunity for me and I embrace it. Who knows how the season will be for us. Who knows what lies ahead. Who knows what or where this opportunity will lead to in the future. I don't byt hopefully I will know soon. I will be following the Yotes as he season comes up and wish them the best of luck. If anything, I would just like to say thanks for everything in my time there (Feb. 17, 2005- July 16, 2011) It has been a great time, I enjoyed myself and good luck in the future. And if there are any questions at all I have no problem at answering them at all. Just give me a call. My number won't change (605)202-0464 and if it does then I am not that hard to find. Besides it is a lot better hearing it from the source that was actually there than from someone that wasn't there in the first place right Hopefully I have shed some light on the situation that has been butchered . Have a great day and GO YOTES...... Tony T.S. Spencer P.S. The answer to my little trivia question in the beginning is Urban Meyer. He is the only person that has been hired as a head coach that didn't have coordinator experience and that was when he coached WR at NOTRE DAME and got the Bowling Green State job. In the last 20 years there hasn't been a head coach hired as a head coach from the recruiting coordinator title that hasn't already had prior head coaching experience, or prior coordinator experience. That should sum it up pretty well.
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Post by YES on Jul 6, 2011 7:35:19 GMT -6
I wish you the best at U of Mary and thank you for all of your contributions to the University of South Dakota. You will be missed and always welcomed back.
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Post by 88grad on Jul 6, 2011 10:46:12 GMT -6
Tony I certainly hope all the best for you as you take on your new gig. I'm going to really miss your tipping me off to the trick plays while I'm shooting the games!
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Post by TS on Jul 6, 2011 18:33:42 GMT -6
88grad.......... No problem at all. It was my pleasure. The only thing is that sometimes the trick play or deep pass didn't work. But at least you were ready for the shot. I appreciate all of the sideline footage and action you got of the YOTES in my 6 years there. Made my Monday's at CJ Calloways better. I always enjoyed watching your footage with Warren's voice attached to the hilights. It was way much better than what we didn on computer from game film. Hahaha In fact I have a couple of your hilights here with me at U of Mary from the past two seasons. I also used them for recruiting weekends and we would play them in the lockerroom for our guys so it was a big hit. Still don't know how you did it at all but then again I guess that's why you are better than I am when it comes to computer stuff. Thanks a lot for everything and I will be looking for you patrolling the sideline once again when I see a game on Midcontinent this year.
Yes...........Thanks for the comment. I will definitely be back, and hope I get a chance to see you when I am back (don't know who you are by the name Yes, but I am sure I know who you are in person). I haven't left for good. And it is good to see that my Vermillion Papsort hasn't been revoked. lol
And with that being said, this is officially my last time ever on this message board. Like I said, hopefully I cleared up anything that you guys were wondering about or left in the dark about. Have a great time and I look forward to seeing you all when I am back in town soon. Good luck to all the players and staff of the YOTES. They will do well this year and I am looking forward to big things happening. Get behind them and cheer them on especially against Eastern Washington and Wisconsin....I see the YOTES as Great West Champions in 2011...........Have a great day and GO YOTES.............
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Jul 7, 2011 0:01:07 GMT -6
Thanks for the info TS, sorry I didn't respond sooner, but I had to work all day and all of that jazz.
Good to see a coach, or former coach, either way, jump on here and tell us what's up. From what I am getting at it, Ed was a bit upset that you are leaving because he values you as a coach, you are a bit upset you couldn't move up here and you want to be a head coach someday. What I am guessing is that the source was told something in anger from the source because they wish you would stay TS, and I don't blame them. The reason I didn't go to you is because I was just chatting with those sources and wasn't working on the stories. I don't work for a paper that covers USD, unfortunately.
It's good to know that you will be coming back to Verm and hopefully things go well up in Bismarck. Good luck on the route to becoming a head coach.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2011 21:24:33 GMT -6
As for all of the other things that were said on this board 99% of them have nothing to do with anything and aren't correct. It is funny to see how people come up with things and then see how many reactions they can get and then others run with it. I never cared about the 1 year contracts at all. I ALWAYS knew that if I did my job to the best of my ability that I would have good players, good people and I would have a job the next year. So the 1 year contract NEVER played a role in the reason for me leaving at all. There was no "law suit" that would have taken place at all like nidaros had posted. My references to a potential law suit are something that even you will have to be concerned about if and when you become a head coach. I was speaking in generalities about the potential of one occuring no where did I imply that this was part of your agenda. I think you are reading into my comments something that is not there. I do regret the comments about your contract not being renewed. Since Coyote#1 is the moderator of this board, you would think that he would have a better control over rumors, like hearing something from a DWU baseball coach. I bought into that and I am equally guilty and for that I apologize. If you read all my posts, I later conclude that this angle presented by Coyote#1 did not make sense particularily after reading your accompolishments at USD in your offical bio. Why would it be necessary for me to look at your bio? Well I am a big SDSU follower and check in here everyonce to see what is going on. I really dont know you and for me to start commenting was a big mistake. Again I apologize. Good luck at U OF MARY.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Jul 8, 2011 23:49:38 GMT -6
all you have to do is look up past DWU baseball coaches to know which one i am talking about, honestly. It's not that hard.
In terms of rumors....from my experience, there are always two or three stories spinning around that are put out there. After being around the sport and D-I football long enough, you figure out what the truths are.
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Post by former yote special teamer on Jul 9, 2011 8:32:55 GMT -6
#1coyotefan We know that you are talking about Ed himself but we all know that he is going to make himself look good. From what I heard from him is that "Tony took a job at an NAIA school." Well the last time I checked the University of Mary was a DII school so he doesn't even know what level they are. Ed has also told us as players that he was a great baseball coach, so we looked up his record and I think that he won one or 2 games in his only season. I think that Tony may be truthful in what he said in his post. I have never been told anything but the truth by Tony and I do trust him more than anyone on that staff. Hell, he even left his number if anyone had any questions at all. That says a lot to me. For someone to do that (leaves his number) means to me that he sure doesn't have anything at all to hide and if you did have any questions at all that he would let the truth be known. Ask yourself this. Would you rather trust someone that seems like a big shot and talks madness about his coaching staff, people in town, and does things wrong in the community like Ed, or someone like Tony that rarely goes out and is there for the kids and is respected by everyone in the administration and players? Just my opinion. I have been led wrong and lied too by Ed many times but Tony has always shot straight with me even if it wasn't what I wanted to hear at that time. He has a saying "If you don't want to know the truth then don't ask me." For some reason I am going to go with Tony on this one. As a player, I didn't find out what was going on and how Ed was until after I played for him. Not a lot of his players respect him at all. Ask players like Blake Hojer, Byron Thomas, Jake Arthur, Tyler Evans, Matt Murphy, Byron Bullock, what they think and that is just to name a few. I have the utmost respect for Tony and wish him the best at Mary. I gurantee that if you ask any kid on the football team there right now if they are sad to see him go that they will all say yes. In fact I talked to Tony the other day and he had nothing but great things to say about Ed, his family, USD and the players, but I know the truth because I know how Ed is. I know that Tony said that he is not going to get on this site anymore but if you find yourself on this site again at all Tony then myself and other former Yotes will be pulling for you. Good Luck. Whooo Rah.............
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Jul 9, 2011 12:32:17 GMT -6
Yote Special Teamer nailed it on the head with this last post. To clear up what I meant, if it seemed confusing, I am not calling calling coaches liars, but most to all are good at bending the truth a lot or not saying things....which is part of the job. It's definitely not to the level of Jim Tressell, let's put it that way. I do think TS is one of the more truthful coaches and I think he meant his posts and what he has told me throughout the year.
I am going to defend Ed's record at DWU...it is not good...but it was the first year the program was restarted, so I will give him that haha.
Very interesting post by yote special teamer. I think Ed knows Mary isn't an NAIA school, I think that is just his way of demeaning the school.
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