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Post by kiyoat on Oct 16, 2023 16:05:23 GMT -6
We're all just lowly South Dakotans, right? Speak for yourself! I'm a self-important, high-falutin' pompous ass of a South Dakotan.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Oct 16, 2023 16:22:03 GMT -6
Oh, lots of people will tell you I'm arrogant as hell.
But it ain't rooted in wearing blue or red in Brookings or Vermillion.
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 16, 2023 16:26:11 GMT -6
Oh, lots of people will tell you I'm arrogant as hell. But it ain't rooted in wearing blue or red in Brookings or Vermillion. Must be a West River thing
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Oct 16, 2023 16:31:29 GMT -6
They'd tell you my head was big growing up East River too.
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Post by elcoyote on Oct 16, 2023 21:09:18 GMT -6
Oh, lots of people will tell you I'm arrogant as hell. But it ain't rooted in wearing blue or red in Brookings or Vermillion. I used to love reading your twitter account. Made me laugh, but I haven't seen it for a while. Did the thought police get to you?
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Post by 90yote on Oct 17, 2023 8:23:01 GMT -6
To me the attendance issue is largely demographic. Brookings is TWICE the size of Vermillion. Brookings was 15k in 1980 and has grown to 24k. Vermillion has "grown" from 10k to 12k in that time. And it's safe to assume that a similar ratio exists between the number of alums in these towns and within a 30-mile radius. Or it's even worse. So you're telling me that attendance is much higher in the first town that has also had sustained success in the two biggest revenue and attended sports? No kidding.
The sustained success is also a big factor as someone else posted in this thread. That stadium up north was half-empty for non-rival or Hobo Day games until they made a run to the championship game in 2020. Since then they are either selling out or coming close to selling out every game. They've captured the casual fan, and it's a great environment. How many straight seasons have they made the FCS playoffs? How many NCAA tourneys have they made in MBB? That matters too.
Those are the two big factors. And yes, attendance needs to improve at USD. Nobody disputes this. But volleyball and women's basketball show that support is there, even with demographic challenges. I don't think anyone is concerned that there will be a ton of blue fans in the SCSC tonight to watch their volleyball program try to win their 3rd out of the last 28 matches against USD.
But I think it will improve with sustained success, though I argue that alumni support helps the main revenue sports more than others. Hopefully football is taking that step this year, and the potential event next weekend that I'm apparently not supposed to talk about would help further.
I don't know if the *volume* of support will ever be equal between these schools, but I think USD attendance can and will improve.
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Post by yotenation on Oct 17, 2023 10:08:46 GMT -6
The farmer references make for good rubbing but I agree it is a little overdone.
Same for the SDSU claim that Vermillion is a hellhole while Brookings is some sort of cultural mecca.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Oct 17, 2023 10:25:47 GMT -6
Oh, lots of people will tell you I'm arrogant as hell. But it ain't rooted in wearing blue or red in Brookings or Vermillion. I used to love reading your twitter account. Made me laugh, but I haven't seen it for a while. Did the thought police get to you? Yeah, it got me fired and essentially blacklisted from any South Dakota jobs in my field. Once Elon took over I wasn't really liking the vibe around the place so I shut it down. It was fun while it lasted but in the end my freedom of speech didn't do me many favors in freedom loving South Dakota. Oh well.
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Post by gopheryote on Oct 19, 2023 6:36:07 GMT -6
I know winning always helps attendance, but like others have said, there is more to it. I am not sure if it is culture or what, but something is missing. Somehow SDSU has turned football games into events where 18,000+ show up for virtually every game. I have been to a couple of USD games at SDSU and the overall experience (parking, concessions, harsh weather later in the year, game production, etc) is at best equal to that at USD and is some instances substandard to that at USD, but yet they pack them in and we don't I know the purpose of institutional advertising isn't to put butts in the seats at athletic events, but I don think our lack of institutional advertising plays a part in our attendance woes. You watch any state sponsored high school championship on TV, you always see multiple SDSU ads and zero USD ads. If you use the SD Scores ap to follow SD high school FB, VB & BB, SDSU ads always pop up and zero USD ads. Bringing up the attendance thing again to share one 'well what do you expect' and one unpopular opinion. First, regarding SDSU - this moment in time is literally the best it has ever been and ever will be. It is the first year after the first undefeated/NC - it is not the appropriate comparison. (It would be fair to compare to SDSU 8-10 years ago, before they were consistently in the top 5) Second - the unpopular opinion. Rather than brag about not paying for news outlets (Argus, SiouxFallsLive, SC Journal, etc.) we should all be subscribing and clicking on every article they write about USD. Engage with the writers on social media (not as a jerk or disagreeing with them or SDSU fans - just normal engagement) We can't get coverage and build up buzz for Yotes events if the only people talking about it are on this board. And media outlets will only dedicate time/attention if it drives eyeballs. I don't care if you don't read anything else - click on the USD stuff.
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Post by 90yote on Oct 19, 2023 12:13:06 GMT -6
I know winning always helps attendance, but like others have said, there is more to it. I am not sure if it is culture or what, but something is missing. Somehow SDSU has turned football games into events where 18,000+ show up for virtually every game. I have been to a couple of USD games at SDSU and the overall experience (parking, concessions, harsh weather later in the year, game production, etc) is at best equal to that at USD and is some instances substandard to that at USD, but yet they pack them in and we don't I know the purpose of institutional advertising isn't to put butts in the seats at athletic events, but I don think our lack of institutional advertising plays a part in our attendance woes. You watch any state sponsored high school championship on TV, you always see multiple SDSU ads and zero USD ads. If you use the SD Scores ap to follow SD high school FB, VB & BB, SDSU ads always pop up and zero USD ads. Bringing up the attendance thing again to share one 'well what do you expect' and one unpopular opinion. First, regarding SDSU - this moment in time is literally the best it has ever been and ever will be. It is the first year after the first undefeated/NC - it is not the appropriate comparison. (It would be fair to compare to SDSU 8-10 years ago, before they were consistently in the top 5) Second - the unpopular opinion. Rather than brag about not paying for news outlets (Argus, SiouxFallsLive, SC Journal, etc.) we should all be subscribing and clicking on every article they write about USD. Engage with the writers on social media (not as a jerk or disagreeing with them or SDSU fans - just normal engagement) We can't get coverage and build up buzz for Yotes events if the only people talking about it are on this board. And media outlets will only dedicate time/attention if it drives eyeballs. I don't care if you don't read anything else - click on the USD stuff. Regarding the media...yes. It's all driven off of engagement and clicks. A few years ago, I heard a couple of people at the Argus (including Zimmer) say that the difference between the number of clicks on SDSU and USD stories was vast. It was NOT CLOSE. So that's why the Argus had a full-time reporter for SDSU and why they did not for USD.
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Post by yote18 on Oct 19, 2023 12:29:13 GMT -6
I’d also add in with the media coverage that if you don’t want to support the Argus that’s fine. But don’t boycott the Sioux City, Yankton, and other media that do promote USD. Sioux City is a market with great potential for the school that we for some reason don’t try to tap into. The Sioux Falls media will always be more reliant on what’s “popular” at the time and right now it’s SDSU. Once we have more consistent success we’ll get their attention. If we want to build strong media attention though we should focus on supporting a grass roots method. Support the small papers, blogs, accounts etc. that write any piece on the Yotes and the attention will slowly build.
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 19, 2023 14:04:03 GMT -6
I agree with the above comments about supporting and being willing to pay for the media that provide coverage of USD. Rather than worry about the media that don't provide decent coverage of USD, I support and pay for those that do. Midco (we are blessed to have Jay Elsen covering the Yotes & the Summit League Network is fantastic), Yankton Press & Dakotan (the only print media that consistently provides coverage of all home games for all sports), Sioux Falls Live / Mitchell Daily Republic (they don't cover the Yotes as well as the Bunnies, but their new guy that covers the Yotes is pretty good and a subscription also gives you access to coverage of NDSU & UND by the Fargo Forum and Grand Forks Herald) are all sources that I subscribe to and recommend to anyone who wants to follow the Yotes. Goyotes.com and the radio coverage provided by John Thayer and crew are fantastic free sources of all things Coyotes. With Jay Elsen & John Thayer we have 2 of the very best.
With regards to other sources, especially the Argus & Sioux Falls TV coverage, I pretty much ignore them. The Argus is a joke. KELO was much better when Sean Bower was in charge. Dakota News Now is pretty good when Mark Ovenden is providing the coverage. Zach Borg, on the other hand......, I, along with many other Coyotes fans that I have visited with, refuse to watch.
I agree on the Sioux City market, but when I check out the Sioux City media websites, I don't find much coverage of the Yotes.
With regards to the "number of clicks", if you go to a retail store to make a purchase and they don't have what you are looking for, pretty soon you stop going to the store.
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Post by gopheryote on Oct 19, 2023 20:33:55 GMT -6
I agree with the above comments about supporting and being willing to pay for the media that provide coverage of USD. Rather than worry about the media that don't provide decent coverage of USD, I support and pay for those that do. Midco (we are blessed to have Jay Elsen covering the Yotes & the Summit League Network is fantastic), Yankton Press & Dakotan (the only print media that consistently provides coverage of all home games for all sports), Sioux Falls Live / Mitchell Daily Republic (they don't cover the Yotes as well as the Bunnies, but their new guy that covers the Yotes is pretty good and a subscription also gives you access to coverage of NDSU & UND by the Fargo Forum and Grand Forks Herald) are all sources that I subscribe to and recommend to anyone who wants to follow the Yotes. Goyotes.com and the radio coverage provided by John Thayer and crew are fantastic free sources of all things Coyotes. With Jay Elsen & John Thayer we have 2 of the very best. With regards to other sources, especially the Argus & Sioux Falls TV coverage, I pretty much ignore them. The Argus is a joke. KELO was much better when Sean Bower was in charge. Dakota News Now is pretty good when Mark Ovenden is providing the coverage. Zach Borg, on the other hand......, I, along with many other Coyotes fans that I have visited with, refuse to watch. I agree on the Sioux City market, but when I check out the Sioux City media websites, I don't find much coverage of the Yotes. With regards to the "number of clicks", if you go to a retail store to make a purchase and they don't have what you are looking for, pretty soon you stop going to the store. Valid points. The difference, of course, is that we need the media to accomplish something we are all working on. Probably reasonable to say we need the media more than they need us right now. You can go somewhere else to buy a shirt and still be pretty much the same situation (got a shirt, just took an extra stop).
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