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Jan 4, 2012 14:53:58 GMT -6
Post by littleyote on Jan 4, 2012 14:53:58 GMT -6
Well, coyote fans, I think it is official. This group of young men have zero respect for their coaches, and the coaches give them zero respect back. I stated it earlier on here that the program was in trouble and a few fans agreed, but most thought nothing of it and responded with comments like, "I would hope no one would change anything in a program based on comments from an anonymous forum". I would say this to those fans, if you have ever been involved in management of a business the first thing you learn is that the knowledge you gain in the coffee room is equally as important as knowledge you gain in the board room. Make no mistakes college basketball is a business. Sayler is the CEO and Boots is a department manager and the players are the employees. Right now there is serious conflict between the employees and the management. Management makes comments after a game stating "I would hope they are sick of losing and would figure out a way to change that". How are the employees to take a comment like this, are they to take as they are to take over the management position of the department? How can management expect to gain any respect from his employees with comments made like this in public? I can only imagine that if he is willing to make a comment like this in public, what his comments are like face to face with his employees. Does this mean he should hold his employees hands every step of the way? Absolutely not, But he is management, the only way management works is through mutual respect. Respect is not something that is automatic. Respect is something that is earned. Every good business man knows that if you treat your employees good your employees will help make your business grow and be successful. Currently management has totally broken the spirit of these employees, this has been going on for a few years now. I would encourage any of you fans to talk to the seniors of this team, especially the ones that have been here all 4 years. There is no doubt that these players are looking forward to the end of the season, more than they are to the success of it. When players are playing with the attitude of "I can't wait till this is over" rather than" how can I make this team more successful" we have a problem. Is it 100% managements fault, probable not, but they are in charge. It is up to them to figure it out, that's what they get paid for is it not. The comment was made a while back on here to the effect that the coaching staff does not have time to talk to the fans or the youth after a game or mingle with the public as they have more pressing things to do. This coaching staff is hired full time to lead the USD mens basketball team, they require the players to be their year around, if you cant get the feel of what is happening to your team you're not doing your job. Maybe your right they do not have time to talk to the fans but I think the fans have a way better handle on what is happening than the coaches do. I am also sure that the "CEO" does not read this forum either, but maybe a fan or any one could encourage him to have coffee with his employes to get a feel for how well his management team is doing, I bet he would be very surprised.
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Jan 4, 2012 16:02:10 GMT -6
Post by 59coyote on Jan 4, 2012 16:02:10 GMT -6
Congrats Littleyote, if your message doesnt attract many responses then apathy has really taken over. David Sayler has shown his ability to act when needed and I hope he doesn't wait too long to move to correct this one. This team has no chemistry and that will tear the program apart. It seems that all involved lost interest at the same time. Also, no team can be a contender with JB playing 20 minutes a game. Go Yotes!!
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Jan 4, 2012 18:13:52 GMT -6
Post by Coyote Fan on Jan 4, 2012 18:13:52 GMT -6
I do agree that a happy employee is a productive employee. I have lived that in real life. I have worked for some real crappy management and my work suffered or I didn't want to be there. Right now I work from very good management and the employees are happy. I am happy and I really try to uplift those around me. It's give and take but what is being said makes sense. I don't see much fun being had on the court. We can make every excuse in the book but right now things just aren't jiving and the Summit League is not an excuse. Good teams reveal their character in tough circumstances. What is being revealed is not a pretty picture.
We can agree or disagree or just simply agree to disagree but the bottom line is that we as fans need to be heard. I feel on such an island when it comes to basketball. Lately I have been the only one participating in game threads and what do I get to show for it but a declining karma rate. Telling the truth is very unpopular but no one should be affraid to do it. I always carry the motto I would rather be honest with myself and be unpopular than cheat myself from the truth and fit in with the crowd.
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Jan 4, 2012 18:34:31 GMT -6
Post by Coyote Fan on Jan 4, 2012 18:34:31 GMT -6
When Boots started this transition I really felt that he was renergized. I can't speak for him but I get the impression that burnout may be setting in.
I can't believe that I would say this but I feel a disconnect with USD athletics right now. I don't have any plans to go to any games the rest of the year including the SDSU games home or road. Maybe I will change my mind and go but I really don't see the point of spending the $30-$40 including travel to go to a game and based on the attendance figures I am not in the minority. I would be watching a lethargic team in a lethargic atmosphere. I choose to sit at home and watch online but honestly it's very painfull having to listen to the play by play.
How long has it been since Learfield Sports has been hired on? Just exactly what are they doing to help USD market themselves? So far it appears to be not much. What is USD doing to help market themselves? It certainly appears to be not much.
We have a major dilemma with basketball attendance that needs immediate attention that apparently is being put on the backburner. You would think someone in the athletic department would do something.
Whatever happened to the fun halftime entertainment. I remember going to games at Augustana where they would have the tumblers perform at halftime. I think USD did something like that as well at some point. Whatever happened to the hot tub being put on the side of the court. What ever happened to the fun surrounding the games in general? USD is going to have to invest in their fans. They can't expect people to just show up because. Obviously the Summit League alone has not been the ticket.
I will keep saying this but USD caters very well to the select few but does almost nothing to cater to the everyday fan. Ok that is like beating a dead horse but why is the horse dead in the first place. These things should be basic marketing and gameday 101.
I wonder if USD would be willing to release how many people are watching online or how many people are listening on the radio. It would be very interesting to know the estimated numbers.
The last time I remember a really fun atmosphere in the dome was during the 2007 NCC conference tourney final when the Yotes played a very spirited game with Minnesota State. I still remember Jesse Becker taking his man off the dribble almost at will in that game.
Heck when it comes to basketball if you want a fun time watch the quickly rising Minnesota Timberwolves on Fox Sports North. I haven't watched them since the playoff years but watching Love, Rubio, Berrea and D-Will has been very fun and energizing. I can't stop watching that team this year.
I really cherish the years when it was fun every game of NCC play to come to the dome. The fans were much more into it and the team had much more heart. It was a give and take. The exact opposite of what we are seeing this year.
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Jan 4, 2012 18:55:07 GMT -6
Post by azsod73 on Jan 4, 2012 18:55:07 GMT -6
Regarding Dave Boots, I am afraid we may be seeing a Rich Glas scenario repeated. Glas was a highly succesful coach at UND but was unable to maintain a high level program at UND. They eventually parted ways but after far too much mediocrity.
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Post by yoteforever on Jan 5, 2012 0:02:21 GMT -6
When Boots started this transition I really felt that he was renergized. I can't speak for him but I get the impression that burnout may be setting in. I can't believe that I would say this but I feel a disconnect with USD athletics right now. I don't have any plans to go to any games the rest of the year including the SDSU games home or road. Maybe I will change my mind and go but I really don't see the point of spending the $30-$40 including travel to go to a game and based on the attendance figures I am not in the minority. I would be watching a lethargic team in a lethargic atmosphere. I choose to sit at home and watch online but honestly it's very painfull having to listen to the play by play. How long has it been since Learfield Sports has been hired on? Just exactly what are they doing to help USD market themselves? So far it appears to be not much. What is USD doing to help market themselves? It certainly appears to be not much. We have a major dilemma with basketball attendance that needs immediate attention that apparently is being put on the backburner. You would think someone in the athletic department would do something. Whatever happened to the fun halftime entertainment. I remember going to games at Augustana where they would have the tumblers perform at halftime. I think USD did something like that as well at some point. Whatever happened to the hot tub being put on the side of the court. What ever happened to the fun surrounding the games in general? USD is going to have to invest in their fans. They can't expect people to just show up because. Obviously the Summit League alone has not been the ticket. I will keep saying this but USD caters very well to the select few but does almost nothing to cater to the everyday fan. Ok that is like beating a dead horse but why is the horse dead in the first place. These things should be basic marketing and gameday 101. I wonder if USD would be willing to release how many people are watching online or how many people are listening on the radio. It would be very interesting to know the estimated numbers. The last time I remember a really fun atmosphere in the dome was during the 2007 NCC conference tourney final when the Yotes played a very spirited game with Minnesota State. I still remember Jesse Becker taking his man off the dribble almost at will in that game. Heck when it comes to basketball if you want a fun time watch the quickly rising Minnesota Timberwolves on Fox Sports North. I haven't watched them since the playoff years but watching Love, Rubio, Berrea and D-Will has been very fun and energizing. I can't stop watching that team this year. I really cherish the years when it was fun every game of NCC play to come to the dome. The fans were much more into it and the team had much more heart. It was a give and take. The exact opposite of what we are seeing this year. Holy F bomb Coyotefan. I just don't get you. I don't know basketball as well as football, but my butt has been in the seats at all but 2 home games this year, and I am not sure you have gone yet. Yet you keep attacking tht the " privileged few" are being catered to while the average fan gets ignored.....if you are the "average fan" complaining then why isn't your ass in the bleachers next to mine cheering for USD? What do you want Sayler to do, drive up to SF and pick you up, give you free tickets, and feed your family? Holy shit, I am sick and tired of hearing this same old complaint. Do you know why no one responds to your game posts? Because our asses are in the Dome backing our team. I can't really respond to your posts while I watch a game. I swear to God if you had your way, there wouldn't be a coach left. You remind me of the MANAGER that says to his best employee for 20 years but has been sick for a few months, I appreciate what you did for me the past 20 years, but what have you done for me lately? Holy crap, either get to the Dome and be a part of it, or shut your mouth. One or the other. You give zero $ and now you don't even go to games, but yet you are an expert? If Joe Glen doesn't go at least 8-3 next year, you damn well better be yelling for his scalp. Why fire Boots? Hell, let's just shoot him. I mean really, what has he done for us lately? After all, we are USD. Yes I know you expect a title every year in every sport or else we failed.
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Post by jman1985 on Jan 5, 2012 0:19:01 GMT -6
I agree. Can we please back off Boots right now?
Let's examine his last 4 years:
2010-11: Took a team that struggled early in the season all the way to the Great West Conference title game, only losing in double OT despite not having Charlie Westbrook that whole weekend.
2009-10: Guided the Coyotes to an 11-1 record in the Great West, won the conference title and advanced to the CIT.
2008-09: With no conference title to play for, the Coyotes still went out and won 20 games.
2007-08: Saw his team nearly make an amazing comeback against Northern State in the first round of the D2 regional tournament.
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Post by Iceman on Jan 5, 2012 0:23:29 GMT -6
Excellent post yoteforever!
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Post by yote on Jan 5, 2012 8:45:17 GMT -6
While I don't always understand his personnel decisions and substitution patterns, Boots has been a rock for the program for 20+ years and you can't deny his success - even and maybe especially during the transition. He has had very few teams that weren't competitive.
This year is not shaping up to be a typical Boots year. No pride in the D, especially the match-up zone, and no continuity on offense make it tough to watch.
That being said, Boots has had more than a few slow starts to seasons and has found a way to turn them around.
I agree - this season seems especially daunting - but to say Saylor needs to oust him is a bit premature.
To address other posts, I totally miss the hot tub and other festivities that used to take place just like I miss the doubleheaders and back to back's we used to enjoy and I think that is the challenge of the U is to get the fun back to the games. That being said, even in the "good years" there were many dead times in the Dome, especially during break.
Let's face it, the new D-1 scheduling is just plain hard to get excited for, both in terms of the unfamiliarity of the teams we're playing and the lack of doubleheaders.
And addressing the SDSU transition - yes, it appears they would beat us pretty good, but I don't see many fans in those seats either for typical games. Remember - they are many years ahead of us in transition and this is one of the first decent men's teams they've had. They were flat out horrible for a few years.
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Post by bocephus57 on Jan 5, 2012 9:21:21 GMT -6
I couldn't agree more littleyote.. Very well said. Especially the statement about management taking the spirit out of the employees and it's been going on for years. Even the players that have endured all four years have been anxious to be done and get away from that atmosphere.. Boots has been great for the program but it's time for some new blood.
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Jan 5, 2012 12:27:59 GMT -6
Post by Coyote Fan on Jan 5, 2012 12:27:59 GMT -6
No one said directly that Boots should be fired? We just expect better right now. If Boot's himself is not happy with how things are going, why should we?
As far as transition goes the Great West title year was a good year but none of the other years have been anything to write home about. I don't know how anyone could call the 2007-2008 season a success. USD was pre season #1 in the country that year and had all the talent in the world. The completely stumbled their way to a #8 seed in the regional and didn't win a post season game. That year was a total underachieving year. That team arguable did not deserve to make post season. Based on how they finished the year they definately should not have made it.
As far as game threads I guess all the Coyote fans were also in Fort Wayne, Macomb and Michigan during those game threads so weren't able to participate. My bad.
Yoteforever do you think USD is doing enough to draw the common ordinary fan to games? If you say yes I will lay off my comments, but can you honestly say yes?
I hate to break it to you but the common ordinary USD alum fan is not going to come to games out of loyalty. They need reason to come. I am just a portion of the problem but wouldn't you say if USD isn't doing enough to get one of their most hard core long time fans to come to the game that there is a problem. I am not asking to be catered to myself. I am just trying to represent the common ordinary fan that is missing from the bleachers at basketball games as of late. I try to look at things big picture.
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Jan 5, 2012 12:59:01 GMT -6
Post by Charlie on Jan 5, 2012 12:59:01 GMT -6
While I don't always understand his personnel decisions and substitution patterns, Boots has been a rock for the program for 20+ years and you can't deny his success - even and maybe especially during the transition. He has had very few teams that weren't competitive. This year is not shaping up to be a typical Boots year. No pride in the D, especially the match-up zone, and no continuity on offense make it tough to watch. That being said, Boots has had more than a few slow starts to seasons and has found a way to turn them around. I agree - this season seems especially daunting - but to say Saylor needs to oust him is a bit premature. To address other posts, I totally miss the hot tub and other festivities that used to take place just like I miss the doubleheaders and back to back's we used to enjoy and I think that is the challenge of the U is to get the fun back to the games. That being said, even in the "good years" there were many dead times in the Dome, especially during break. Let's face it, the new D-1 scheduling is just plain hard to get excited for, both in terms of the unfamiliarity of the teams we're playing and the lack of doubleheaders. And addressing the SDSU transition - yes, it appears they would beat us pretty good, but I don't see many fans in those seats either for typical games. Remember - they are many years ahead of us in transition and this is one of the first decent men's teams they've had. They were flat out horrible for a few years. The lack of double headers is really going to hurt overall attendance in my opinion. USD loses the casual fans who aren't going to drive any significant distance for a single game on a Monday or Thursday night. However, I think over the course of time things will get better. No one likes change which this season and the next few seasons will be hard. Once people become more familiar with the schedule and the new Summitt league opponents, the attendance will improve. It will just take some time. As far as Boots goes, it is too early for fans to start jumping ship in the season. They have a lot of games left. From my coaching experience, all it takes is one defining moment to turn things around. I just hope it happens sooner rather than later.
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Jan 5, 2012 17:44:57 GMT -6
Post by yoteforever on Jan 5, 2012 17:44:57 GMT -6
No one said directly that Boots should be fired? We just expect better right now. If Boot's himself is not happy with how things are going, why should we? As far as transition goes the Great West title year was a good year but none of the other years have been anything to write home about. I don't know how anyone could call the 2007-2008 season a success. USD was pre season #1 in the country that year and had all the talent in the world. The completely stumbled their way to a #8 seed in the regional and didn't win a post season game. That year was a total underachieving year. That team arguable did not deserve to make post season. Based on how they finished the year they definately should not have made it. As far as game threads I guess all the Coyote fans were also in Fort Wayne, Macomb and Michigan during those game threads so weren't able to participate. My bad. Yoteforever do you think USD is doing enough to draw the common ordinary fan to games? If you say yes I will lay off my comments, but can you honestly say yes? I hate to break it to you but the common ordinary USD alum fan is not going to come to games out of loyalty. They need reason to come. I am just a portion of the problem but wouldn't you say if USD isn't doing enough to get one of their most hard core long time fans to come to the game that there is a problem. I am not asking to be catered to myself. I am just trying to represent the common ordinary fan that is missing from the bleachers at basketball games as of late. I try to look at things big picture. Honest to Christ, what is it you want? What is going to attract the " average fan" as you put it? Bands at half? Acrobats? What is it that you expect and yet hold the ticket price to what it is? Just answer me that.
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Jan 5, 2012 18:20:12 GMT -6
Post by Coyote Fan on Jan 5, 2012 18:20:12 GMT -6
No one said directly that Boots should be fired? We just expect better right now. If Boot's himself is not happy with how things are going, why should we? As far as transition goes the Great West title year was a good year but none of the other years have been anything to write home about. I don't know how anyone could call the 2007-2008 season a success. USD was pre season #1 in the country that year and had all the talent in the world. The completely stumbled their way to a #8 seed in the regional and didn't win a post season game. That year was a total underachieving year. That team arguable did not deserve to make post season. Based on how they finished the year they definately should not have made it. As far as game threads I guess all the Coyote fans were also in Fort Wayne, Macomb and Michigan during those game threads so weren't able to participate. My bad. Yoteforever do you think USD is doing enough to draw the common ordinary fan to games? If you say yes I will lay off my comments, but can you honestly say yes? I hate to break it to you but the common ordinary USD alum fan is not going to come to games out of loyalty. They need reason to come. I am just a portion of the problem but wouldn't you say if USD isn't doing enough to get one of their most hard core long time fans to come to the game that there is a problem. I am not asking to be catered to myself. I am just trying to represent the common ordinary fan that is missing from the bleachers at basketball games as of late. I try to look at things big picture. Honest to Christ, what is it you want? What is going to attract the " average fan" as you put it? Bands at half? Acrobats? What is it that you expect and yet hold the ticket price to what it is? Just answer me that. I have actually been very tame on my comments on the basketball program for quite awhile before this season. I am seeing some troubling things. I am either listening on the radio or watching online almost every game so I have a reasonable understanding of what is going on. So what is it that I want? I want a team that I know is giving their best effort at least a majority of the time. I don't think we are seeing that but maybe I am just totally wrong. 0-5 tells another story. Not playing better against Southern Utah at home tells a story. I guess if asking for better than a 0-5 start in the Summit is asking too much than Coyote fans are in REAL, REAL trouble. If I was complaining when the Yotes were 2-3 in the Summit and drawing at least 2K per game that would be a different story but I think it's more than fair to complain a little bit about what we are seeing all around when it comes to mens basketball.
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Jan 5, 2012 20:06:09 GMT -6
Post by yoteforever on Jan 5, 2012 20:06:09 GMT -6
Honest to Christ, what is it you want? What is going to attract the " average fan" as you put it? Bands at half? Acrobats? What is it that you expect and yet hold the ticket price to what it is? Just answer me that. I have actually been very tame on my comments on the basketball program for quite awhile before this season. I am seeing some troubling things. I am either listening on the radio or watching online almost every game so I have a reasonable understanding of what is going on. So what is it that I want? I want a team that I know is giving their best effort at least a majority of the time. I don't think we are seeing that but maybe I am just totally wrong. 0-5 tells another story. Not playing better against Southern Utah at home tells a story. I guess if asking for better than a 0-5 start in the Summit is asking too much than Coyote fans are in REAL, REAL trouble. If I was complaining when the Yotes were 2-3 in the Summit and drawing at least 2K per game that would be a different story but I think it's more than fair to complain a little bit about what we are seeing all around when it comes to mens basketball.
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