Alabama & ND

[sdyotefan]

Sorry ND fans but I never thought ND should be #1 & here's why--
9/1/12 Youngstown State beats Pitt at Pitt 31-17
10/6/12 NDSU beats YS at NDSU 48-7
11/3/12 Pitt at ND loses to ND in 3 OTs 26-29

When will the BCS have a true playoff system instead of a bunch of meaningless bowl games that only each pair of teams playing is interested in except the last game or two? Maybe more games like tonight might help.

[#1CoyoteFan (Admin)]

And Alabama lost to Texas A&M, which lost to LSU, which lost to Alabama, oh and A&M lost to Florida, which beat LSU, which beat Texas A&M, which beat beat Alabama.

That's how that roundabout goes and makes no sense. N.D. beat everyone it needed to be and was undefeated and earned the No. 1 spot, honestly. Alabama lost a home game because of a bad interception at the end. That's how it goes.

[obc]

It appears it was accurate however to question ND's quality because of the teams that took them to the edge.

Big difference between the competitive string comparison - Florida, Texas A&M, LSU, Alabama VS Pitt, Youngstown State, NDSU, ND.

[Yote 53]

Comparitive scores are stupid.

The current state of college football comes down to two things; oversigning and academic standards. Until those two things are addressed and uniformly followed no conference or independant is going to challenge the SEC for dominance.

Frankly, I laughed at the post game pressers with the Alabama players. How did some of these guys even get into college?

[#1CoyoteFan (Admin)]

The real BCS champion is Washington. The writeup is done perfectly here, which shows that comparing scores means nothing.

espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/16612/why-washington-is-the-true-national-champ

In terms of oversigning, as they said last night, Nick Saban and the rest of college coaches work with a roster that is a lot smaller when Bear Bryant was the coach and had 150 players.

[obc]

You can take it to extremes like the article does or just look at match-ups for what they are. Many thought ND was not going to be a good match-up for Bama because some very average to below avg teams took ND to the brink. It was proven last night. There were at least three other teams that I can think of that would have been a better match up for Bama than ND.

[sdyotefan]

Comparitive scores are one of many indicators. The ND defense only gave up 10 pts / game this year but didn't play many high powered offenses and that fact was hammered home big time in the Alabama game. In a true playoff system ND would have probably lost in the quarter finals. Obviously polls, scores, sports writers, being undefeated in the regular season, etc all need to be replaced by a REAL playoff system with min of 16 teams.

[#1CoyoteFan (Admin)]

I am not a fan of Notre Dame, but they won the games they needed to against ranked teams. A Big East team beat Florida by the way and the Big East is suppose to be one of the worst conferences out there. Was it a bad matchup? Yes, but Notre Dame earned their way there. Kansas State stumbled and Oregon got totally overpowered by Stanford, so that's the way it goes.

Sorry those other teams lost, but in the history of the BCS, that's how it goes and if you want to complain about it, fine, but I am sure you can find ways to complain about the playoffs. Heck, people complain about the last teams out of the NCAA tourney and there are 60-some teams.

[Yote 53]

Jan 8, 2013 13:49:31 GMT -6 #1CoyoteFan (Admin) said:

The real BCS champion is Washington. The writeup is done perfectly here, which shows that comparing scores means nothing.

espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/16612/why-washington-is-the-true-national-champ

In terms of oversigning, as they said last night, Nick Saban and the rest of college coaches work with a roster that is a lot smaller when Bear Bryant was the coach and had 150 players.

It doesn't matter what happened in the past. In the past ALL of those schools played by the same set of rules. Notre Dame, Alabama, Nebraska, USC, Michigan, etc, all those schools stockpiled talent and had huge walk-on programs and rosters. Current rules of 85 scholarhip limit and roster size evened the playing field a little more for the rest of the non-elite schools.

I am talking about SEC schools signing 35 kids every signing period and then forcing out, medically releasing (it's an art form that one is), or straight up cutting kids 2-3 yrs into their program for no other reason than they didn't pan out athletically like they thought they would and they have some senior they want to bring in that they feel is a better prospect. Continually culling and upgrading your roster like that allows you to effectively sign an extra recruiting class every 4 years. You wonder how they can stockpile talent.

The Big Ten, by contrast, can only sign a max of 25 scholarships and are obligated to honor the 4yr scholarship. No cutting a kid after two years because he didn't project like you thought or because you really have a recruit you think has better promise.

The other conferences follow the same moral code when it comes to cutting scholarships. Not the SEC. In a recent meeting the presidents addressed the oversigning issue. The coaches wanted no part of it because they would lose their competitive advantage but the presidents voted in a soft limit of 25 scholarships per year. aTm has 35 verbal commits so far this recruiting season. So much for following those new conference rules.

Some of you might not have a problem with how the SEC conducts its business. I see it as these schools have basically semi-pro football teams and those kids happen to go to school, maybe (check out graduation rates). The NCAA is supposed to be about STUDENT-athletes, not athletes first.

BTW, Notre Dame's graduation rate = 97%. #1 in all college football.

Look it up and get informed. www.oversigning.com

[#1CoyoteFan (Admin)]

The SEC can only sign a max of 25 players as well.

[Yote 53]

Jan 8, 2013 16:41:03 GMT -6 #1CoyoteFan (Admin) said:

The SEC can only sign a max of 25 players as well.

We will revisit this thread on signing day. I guarantee there are SEC schools that have more than 25 signings.

[#1CoyoteFan (Admin)]

Yeah I am sure all of the rules that were in place when I covered signing day last year in the SEC are no longer in place. Arkansas got a player that was committed to Alabama cause they would've had more than 25. It's literally a rule, I am not making it up, but whatever I guess.