Post by Coyote Fan on Jan 25, 2013 18:57:49 GMT -6
OK I wanted to say one more thing about football than try to lay it to rest until closer to the season. Give me a chance to lay out what I consider a logical overservation.
I have been on record as saying I don't think the Coyotes should be retaining Wes as OC and Josh as QB. That is obviously not surprising and to many quite annoying. As I said I am going to try to put this to rest with my feeling about both of those players/coaches until the season starts.
This is my observation.
Joe Glenn comes onto campus and there is already a OC and a QB in place. Neither has a track record of being successfull at what they have done to the point he gets on campus. Neither should have probably been allowed to get where they were depending on talent available/funding availability. For whatever reason they were in place, much of it to do with the departing Meierkort. So of all the potential OC's available or QB's available (and I realise he only had so much say with what he had available in QB talent) it just happened to be that the best choices were already in place. Or isn't that what the common sense appproach should lead us to believe. I have a very hard time believing that was the case, moreso than Joe just not wanting to stir the pot.
So when Joe got on campus IMO the first thing he should have been doing is to get good internal advise on how to proceed/begin. Here is the problem. I don't believe there was a good football mind to be able to help him by giving him the crucial insiders advise that he needed, or at least advise that wasn't already playing the loyalty angle in keeping instead of turning over. I ask this, who was Glenn turning to in his first moments on campus. Sayler doesn't seem to know much about the game itself and I really don't know about Herbster. No one on staff seemed to be very experienced or had success at what they were doing.
IMO Glenn had to kind of make those calls based on his gut. Did he watch much film before heading out on the first recruiting trips. Did he not believe that the QB position was obviously up for grabs. I am not the expert obviously Glenn is. I am just asking the questions.
So lets fast forward a bit. We have an OC in place that is highly thought of from the inside but really unproven to be able to take any of the offenses he had to make them better than at best average. I don't think we have to even mention special teams but a quick mention none-the-less.
So the season is ongoing and the Yotes are struggling all over the field and getting crushed against the better teams more often than not. They stayed in some games and had chances but once again were not able to finish which has unfortunately been a hallmark.
I am not going to focus on D eventhough the D did have some issues as well. Since Glenn brought in "his guy" for that side of the ball I am going to stay away from this. But please chime in if you want to talk D.
Back to the O. The Yotes molded into a team that was very much a one sided football team on the offensive end. If they weren't gonna run it down your throat they probably weren't gonna get the job done. The backs were average MVFC backs and the QB was obviously a run first QB and than run some more. As the season went on defenses were definately adjusting to not allow the running game to make hay against them. As the season went on it was very apparent that Josh was very substandard passing the football. I know the line wasn't the best but it had more to do than with just the line. For everyone watching that even slightly knows football knew that we weren't winning many games passing the ball. Josh was painfully inaccurate and D's were honed in on the Yotes unfortunate circumstances trying to pass against them.
What was missing was a QB that could take control of a game by being able to be an onfield coach. What we were missing IMO was an experienced OC that could work with the QB and offense in general to try to move the ball by innovative and effective play calling.
So the season moves on further and Glenn didn't seem willing to experiment with what he had but instead stayed loyal to a fault with Josh. Kevin Earl never got a real opportunity to run the team expect for a very short span of time. By the SDSU game I think the team lacked such confidence that even a QB switch wasn't going to matter. I don't recall which game it was but Early did come in late into one game and ingited a spark in the offense. It seemed like the players had a wee-bit of confidence with him in the game. Earl never got the chance to follow up the next game but all we saw instead was a continually ineffective Josh and it seemed like he wasn't getting the guidance from the sidelines that he should have or could have gotten.
So the season goes by and 1-10 is the result. Based on media, message boards or whatever there doesn't really seem to be much concern about the season that went by.
Here is the biggest thing that concerns me with Glenn. It seems based on everything that has happened from then to now that Josh and Wes remain the undisputed guys at their position. So Glenn has basically made the decision that both are worthy to continue into next year that is despite nothing on the field that would suggest that either should continue.
As I said I am not the expert, just asking the questions. So if you are Glenn wouldn't you think it would be kind of risky coming off such a disappointing season to continue going with what you probably shouldn't have gone with in the first place. Meaning keeping Wes and Josh in place. It's apparent to most fans that neither the QB or the offense looked good. If Glenn would have come out recruiting hard for a potential replacement QB and at least explored the idea of a new OC doesn't he kind of gain in the eyes of people that were not in approval of his first season.
Isn't Glenn putting his neck on the line more by keeping in place these two rather than making a concerted effort to basically say this is a player personell problem.
As a football fan today based on my personal observations I don't see a program that is going to take the necessary steps to be amongst the big boys in the Valley.
If Glenn is right and Wes and Josh both turn out to really make strides next year and things dramatically turn around on the field I will be the first to eat crow. I would love a taste of that by the way, because being wrong would be very joyous.
IMO the fans of this program have a right to question some of the decisions that have been made over the past year. Certainly those that do should not be chastized. Many of the decisions just don't seem to add up. I don't think we can take the easy way out and say this is just about the players. My gosh Powell and Starr are animals and it seems neither were used very well. I do think we could use a player upgrade in some areas but not to the point where improved players are going to turn this into a team that pushes the top teams in the conference. It's gonna take both.
Fire away in responses but all I ask is to keep it civil. I put alot of thought into this post.
I have been on record as saying I don't think the Coyotes should be retaining Wes as OC and Josh as QB. That is obviously not surprising and to many quite annoying. As I said I am going to try to put this to rest with my feeling about both of those players/coaches until the season starts.
This is my observation.
Joe Glenn comes onto campus and there is already a OC and a QB in place. Neither has a track record of being successfull at what they have done to the point he gets on campus. Neither should have probably been allowed to get where they were depending on talent available/funding availability. For whatever reason they were in place, much of it to do with the departing Meierkort. So of all the potential OC's available or QB's available (and I realise he only had so much say with what he had available in QB talent) it just happened to be that the best choices were already in place. Or isn't that what the common sense appproach should lead us to believe. I have a very hard time believing that was the case, moreso than Joe just not wanting to stir the pot.
So when Joe got on campus IMO the first thing he should have been doing is to get good internal advise on how to proceed/begin. Here is the problem. I don't believe there was a good football mind to be able to help him by giving him the crucial insiders advise that he needed, or at least advise that wasn't already playing the loyalty angle in keeping instead of turning over. I ask this, who was Glenn turning to in his first moments on campus. Sayler doesn't seem to know much about the game itself and I really don't know about Herbster. No one on staff seemed to be very experienced or had success at what they were doing.
IMO Glenn had to kind of make those calls based on his gut. Did he watch much film before heading out on the first recruiting trips. Did he not believe that the QB position was obviously up for grabs. I am not the expert obviously Glenn is. I am just asking the questions.
So lets fast forward a bit. We have an OC in place that is highly thought of from the inside but really unproven to be able to take any of the offenses he had to make them better than at best average. I don't think we have to even mention special teams but a quick mention none-the-less.
So the season is ongoing and the Yotes are struggling all over the field and getting crushed against the better teams more often than not. They stayed in some games and had chances but once again were not able to finish which has unfortunately been a hallmark.
I am not going to focus on D eventhough the D did have some issues as well. Since Glenn brought in "his guy" for that side of the ball I am going to stay away from this. But please chime in if you want to talk D.
Back to the O. The Yotes molded into a team that was very much a one sided football team on the offensive end. If they weren't gonna run it down your throat they probably weren't gonna get the job done. The backs were average MVFC backs and the QB was obviously a run first QB and than run some more. As the season went on defenses were definately adjusting to not allow the running game to make hay against them. As the season went on it was very apparent that Josh was very substandard passing the football. I know the line wasn't the best but it had more to do than with just the line. For everyone watching that even slightly knows football knew that we weren't winning many games passing the ball. Josh was painfully inaccurate and D's were honed in on the Yotes unfortunate circumstances trying to pass against them.
What was missing was a QB that could take control of a game by being able to be an onfield coach. What we were missing IMO was an experienced OC that could work with the QB and offense in general to try to move the ball by innovative and effective play calling.
So the season moves on further and Glenn didn't seem willing to experiment with what he had but instead stayed loyal to a fault with Josh. Kevin Earl never got a real opportunity to run the team expect for a very short span of time. By the SDSU game I think the team lacked such confidence that even a QB switch wasn't going to matter. I don't recall which game it was but Early did come in late into one game and ingited a spark in the offense. It seemed like the players had a wee-bit of confidence with him in the game. Earl never got the chance to follow up the next game but all we saw instead was a continually ineffective Josh and it seemed like he wasn't getting the guidance from the sidelines that he should have or could have gotten.
So the season goes by and 1-10 is the result. Based on media, message boards or whatever there doesn't really seem to be much concern about the season that went by.
Here is the biggest thing that concerns me with Glenn. It seems based on everything that has happened from then to now that Josh and Wes remain the undisputed guys at their position. So Glenn has basically made the decision that both are worthy to continue into next year that is despite nothing on the field that would suggest that either should continue.
As I said I am not the expert, just asking the questions. So if you are Glenn wouldn't you think it would be kind of risky coming off such a disappointing season to continue going with what you probably shouldn't have gone with in the first place. Meaning keeping Wes and Josh in place. It's apparent to most fans that neither the QB or the offense looked good. If Glenn would have come out recruiting hard for a potential replacement QB and at least explored the idea of a new OC doesn't he kind of gain in the eyes of people that were not in approval of his first season.
Isn't Glenn putting his neck on the line more by keeping in place these two rather than making a concerted effort to basically say this is a player personell problem.
As a football fan today based on my personal observations I don't see a program that is going to take the necessary steps to be amongst the big boys in the Valley.
If Glenn is right and Wes and Josh both turn out to really make strides next year and things dramatically turn around on the field I will be the first to eat crow. I would love a taste of that by the way, because being wrong would be very joyous.
IMO the fans of this program have a right to question some of the decisions that have been made over the past year. Certainly those that do should not be chastized. Many of the decisions just don't seem to add up. I don't think we can take the easy way out and say this is just about the players. My gosh Powell and Starr are animals and it seems neither were used very well. I do think we could use a player upgrade in some areas but not to the point where improved players are going to turn this into a team that pushes the top teams in the conference. It's gonna take both.
Fire away in responses but all I ask is to keep it civil. I put alot of thought into this post.