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Post by yotefan on Jun 1, 2016 7:35:51 GMT -6
USD sent 17 athletes to the NCAA prelims at KU for track and field for the second year in a row. By comparison, SDSU sent 11 this year, which was a new school record for them. USD then qualified 3 athletes for nationals in Eugene, two in women's pole vault and one men's hurdler. The mighty Bizun sent 34 athletes to prelims, which outside of Power 5 conferences was the second most in the country. Despite sending twice the number of athletes to Eugene, NDSU only managed to tie USD by qualifying 3 athletes for Eugene. USD and NDSU have built elite track programs, but to my knowledge, USD is the only school with a D1 T&F National Champion so far to its credit in the Dakotas and USD has steadily sent as many or more athletes to Eugene than the Bizun. To say USD is not relevant in the track and field world is plain ignorance. Further, many of these athletes are XC runners in the fall or they play football and rely on blended scholarships from two sports to pay for school. Cutting one program therefore, even though coyotefan has deemed it "extremely irrelevant," would have a negative impact elsewhere, which I am sure would be extremely relevant to that impacted athlete and their family.
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Post by golfingyote on Jun 1, 2016 7:51:51 GMT -6
Also, just wanted to point out, we have more conference titles in men's golf(1) than we do in mens bball and football combined since going full time D1. Just a thought my man CF! Maybe we should dump football and bball to really hone in on that golf tradition
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Post by Yote 53 on Jun 1, 2016 7:56:22 GMT -6
Shaking my head at the Track and X Country comments from CF, that and he doesn't account for Title 9 and D1 minimum sports offerings. He's spot on about hockey and how it is growing in South Dakota. Every large size town has it (except Vermillion and I don't consider Vermillion large), exploding growth in many towns as there are more kids in the hockey programs than the basketball programs in quite a few, and two additional programs coming on line in Brandon and Spearfish. It would work at USD. As far as facilities go, just built a new arena but no discussion or forward thinking about building it with an ice plant. An auxiliary practice facility wouldn't cost more than a couple million dollars, five million would get you a really nice one, chump change when you look at what was just spent on the rest of the athletic facilities and what is about to spent on Dome renovations. As far as program costs, etc. Minnesota-Moorhead has a very recent feasibility study with detailed costs, etc. you can look up. Conference affiliation would not be an issue as a school like USD would be a shoe-in for the WCHA. I also like what CF says about lacrosse. It is a quickly growing sport across the upper Midwest. There is an opportunity for USD to jump into some growing spectator sports and carve ourselves a very big niche.
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Post by kiyoat on Jun 1, 2016 7:58:53 GMT -6
I suggest you go to a volleyball match sometime if you want to be entertained. Great sport, very competitive, and there are crowds there. I second that about Volleyball. Entertaining sport, and with the new facility, will likely draw bigger crowds. The other thing about women's volleyball is that I believe we could have a lot of success there because of the high-school and AAU talent in the area. The midwest is a women's volleyball talent hotbed.
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Post by yoteforever on Jun 1, 2016 8:45:29 GMT -6
If all you did was recruit Sioux county Iowa, you'd have a national power in no time. Lol
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Post by 91jack on Jun 1, 2016 13:02:08 GMT -6
Key upsets in volleyball and softball plus an escape by their football team, really some favorable occurrences for them this year. Surprised you're not going to put any weight on our swimming or golf teams, they play into this just as much as those basketball teams. The only reason I'm replying to this post is it brings up both volleyball and softball. SDSU just got new coaches in both those sports between two and three years ago. Does that mean that SDSU is gaining/passing USD or did they have a good year? Didn't USD just lose their softball coach? I guess if you look at it, there have been several new coaches on both sides that will change the head-to-head match ups. SDSU has volleyball, softball, MBB while USD has football, WBB and softball(there might be more). That makes up about half of the sports that go into that award or trophy or whatever they play for. I think that Track & Field is probably the sport that USD is best at. I would say that pole vaulting is their speciality. They have other track events that they are good at but not like pole vaulting. I would probably put WBB as the next best sport but I don't follow USD as well as most/all of you do so I could be off.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jun 1, 2016 17:27:30 GMT -6
When the swimming and golf teams average more than 100 fans per match/game than I will care more about them. Those are family and friend sports and really not much more. Has anyone here actually been to a golf tournament and followed the golf team in the gallery if they even let fans on the course during those events. extremely irrelevant sports which could be cut with barely anyone caring (and I am a good fan of pro tennis and golf) Cross Country Golf Swimming & Diving Tennis Irrelevant sports which gather just small followings Track & Field Soccer Softball Volleyball Depending on conference requirements I would favor cutting all the extremely irrelevant sports and would strongly consider cutting the Irrelevant sports to pool the resources for something relevant like Hockey. I would have no problem cutting some of those to add something like Lacrosse. I would probably check out a game or two of Lacrosse if USD offered it. I actually think USD could add hockey, have it at the Denny Sanford Premier Center and I think it could really be a hit. If Sioux Falls can regularly get 5-8K for a hockey game in the USHL I think it could do the same for college hockey as well. Hockey would be a great way for USD to bring something to the table that SDSU wouldn't have and something where USD could outshine SDSU as well. Hockey is a severely under tapped sport in South Dakota. The Coyotes could tap into some of it's potential. I honest;y don't think there's an AD in the country that doesn't dream of doing what you propose. There's just one minor little hitch in your proposal....TITLE IX. This is what's totally frustrating about your posts, is you make wild ones like this, but have relatively no clue as to the business side of your proposals. You just have negative rants. I like the idea of hockey, then you propose to move that sport to Sioux Falls. And we would practice where? Any clue what starting a hockey program would cost? I do, because I've researched it, let alone annual funding. And if they didn't win a national title by at least their second year, you wouldn't come anymore, because you don't support programs that lose. I suggest you go to a volleyball match sometime if you want to be entertained. Great sport, very competitive, and there are crowds there. I worked the Summit Legue track meet in May, and I was surprised t the crowd size that was there to watch, particular;y the final day, despite not very nice weather. I'm not a knowledgable guy in T and F, but someone correct me if I'm wrong, USD is relevant in the sport. In fact I believe we had a national champion recently. And we have (2) coaches on staff that are Olympiads. That's damned impressive to me. I know full well of Title IX and all the administrative challenges but just chose to ignore that when making my post. The board has been slowing down a bit lately so it's time to live on the edge a bit, go into the gray area to get some discussion going. It worked at least a little as the discussion has picked up a bit. I suggest everyone try living on the edge from time to time and explore some gray area as well. It's kind of fun. I don't think cutting men's golf would be all that horrible. It's just not a sport that is really cared about all that much in the north. Lacross is a borderline warm weather sport but I would think they could play it in just about any field conditions or weather. I imagine the Pioneers don't always have the best weather for the sport and it seems pretty successful there. I know hockey is expensive but at the same time go into a partnership with some of the businesses in Sioux Falls and take advantage of a great hockey facility. I don't believe the new arena would be able to hold hockey but maybe I am mistaken. Hockey would bring more interesting schools to the table as far as opponents then some of the other sports would. It would strengthen the school rivalries with Denver, Omaha and UND for sure and would give USD something that nothing else in South Dakota would have. I think it would be awesome. Even if the Yotes played all their games in Sioux Falls what it would do is gain exposure for the University as a whole and with the increased exposure would help the athletic program as a whole.
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Post by Yotes on Jun 1, 2016 18:23:29 GMT -6
I'd fully support a hockey team even if we had our home games an hour off campus. Just can't see it happening in a hundred years though. Cutting something like golf would never make it possible. Hate to hear that even mentioned to be honest. The student athlete does exist and not because there is a profit to be made - most will never play in front of a notable crowd anyways.
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Post by kiyoat on Jun 2, 2016 7:29:14 GMT -6
Hockey in SF would be a success IMO. There are lots of Hockey fans here already, and the sport is growing by leaps and bounds. D-1 Hockey would be a bigger draw than the Stampede, I think, and all the players on the Stampede are trying to earn scholarships anyway, so having a relationship with them would be great. Facilities here are excellent too. I think it would also get State thinking about upgrading their club hockey, which has a nice facility in Brookings. We could start in SF, and with future success think about an on-campus rink. Title IX would necessitate a women's hockey team, or dropping a men's sport. The other huge thing that would happen is waking up the SF alumni, and getting them more involved fans for all sports. Look what the SLT and WNIT has done already. Having a whole season of hockey would draw fans in, like crack cocaine... I wouldn't know about that, of course.
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Post by Yote 53 on Jun 2, 2016 8:11:45 GMT -6
I could definitely see 10,000/game at the Premier Center for USD Coyote hockey. That kind of attendance would rank USD at or near the top in the country for attendance, right next to UND. The program would be "Big Time" in no time. I don't think people are thinking serious enough about the opportunities presented here. USD would own the Sioux Falls market inside a couple of years as it would be non-stop talk about Coyote hockey like it is for Stampede hockey now.
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Post by Yotes on Jun 2, 2016 12:14:17 GMT -6
Let's really look at what would be needed to make hockey in Sioux Falls possible:
50 additional scholarships - 25 for a men's team and 25 for the women 8 additional coaches - 4 for each team Annual 20-game lease with Premier Center Facility on campus for practice, probably also hosting the women's games
Am I missing anything besides miscellaneous items like travel expenses? That's a ton of money that has to come from somewhere. We are going to need someone to start a USD Hockey campaign with the foundation for this to go anywhere.
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Post by Yote 53 on Jun 2, 2016 15:06:55 GMT -6
Men's hockey has a limit of 18 full scholarships and those can be divided out. Need to revise the scholarship numbers.
On campus rink for practice and women's games can be built for as little as $1 million (bare bones) but probably will need to come in at about $4-5 million. For perspective, the Scheel's IcePlex in Sioux Falls costs $8 million but has 3 sheets of ice. USD could realistically get by with one sheet of ice.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 3, 2017 10:50:08 GMT -6
After the Softball victory against the Jacks, we now lead in the Showdown Series 9-7.
Interesting breakdown so far of men's vs women's sports:
Our men's teams are 1-6 in points against the Jacks. Our women's teams are 8-1 in points against the Jacks.
only 5 more sports for points left: M/W golf, M/W Track and Field, W Tennis (plus 3 points for academics)
PS - I still stand by my earlier statement that nobody really follows the showdown series much, but it IS worth noting the domination of our women's teams. Good job, ladies!
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Post by usdtator on Apr 3, 2017 11:48:43 GMT -6
After the Softball victory against the Jacks, we now lead in the Showdown Series 9-7. Interesting breakdown so far of men's vs women's sports: Our men's teams are 1-6 in points against the Jacks. Our women's teams are 8-1 in points against the Jacks. only 5 more sports for points left: M/W golf, M/W Track and Field, W Tennis (plus 3 points for academics) PS - I still stand by my earlier statement that nobody really follows the showdown series much, but it IS worth noting the domination of our women's teams. Good job, ladies! I predict we take them in both mens and womens track and field, and surely academics... don't know much about our golf and tennis teams...
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Apr 3, 2017 11:59:15 GMT -6
Both teams get the +3 academic points no matter what I believe. Mens golf will be a toss up, Womens golf SDSU will most likely win, track and tennis I am not sure.
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