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Post by obc on Nov 25, 2013 20:32:41 GMT -6
I was all for scheduling a tough OOC schedule in the past, now I am not so sure. Looking at how the MVFC was treated this playoff season it is apparant to me it is more important to have a shiny record with some fluff wins than it is to be a good team from a good conference. Maybe we should load up the OOC schedule with teams from weaker conferences and feast on them rather than the Montana and NAU type teams. Quality wins will come from inside the conference schedule so those will always be there. Not exactly true though, look at Youngstown. 8-4 record with an abysmal OOC schedule, their signature wins being SIU and us, and done for the year. I have no answer as to why our conference was absolutely snubbed despite being the top ranked conference in the FCS, other than the NCAA is just one awful organization. IMO you play one game to get paid (our athletic department needs the money), one division 2 game, and two cupcake FCS games from the Pioneer league or another team from a consistently weak FCS conference. On top of that I think eventually we will be playing UND every other year which most years will be tough. Hopefully with a little lighter scheduling you can give yourself the opportunity to be healthier heading into conference play. Winning the MVFC should be the goal. The rest will take care of itself. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 26, 2013 8:23:13 GMT -6
No D2 game. Agree on scheduling a Pioneer team or another one like that. UND every other year would help solidify the OOC schedule and can't wait for that to happen.
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Post by obc on Nov 26, 2013 8:29:39 GMT -6
No D2 game. Agree on scheduling a Pioneer team or another one like that. UND every other year would help solidify the OOC schedule and can't wait for that to happen. Why no D2 games? NDSU played Ferris St this year, and both Montana and UNI frequently play one D2 game to pad their schedule. Those schools cost a lot less to get than an FCS team. I think Butler cost SDSU roughly twice what Ferris St charged the Bison to get those games. I understand there is an advantage of not having a D2 game from a strength of schedule standpoint if you are not top two in the MVFC at the end of the year and hoping for an at-large bid - is that your thought? |
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 26, 2013 8:37:12 GMT -6
"I understand there is an advantage of not having a D2 game from a strength of schedule standpoint if you are not top two in the MVFC at the end of the year and hoping for an at-large bid - is that your thought?"
- This is exactly my thought. I understand they now look at these games differently but, honestly, it's a non counter for getting into the playoffs. Also, I want to see competitive football at the Dome. If we want a bodybag game schedule Drake. A D2 game is a waste of time and is a no win situation. If we blow them out, well, we're supposed to. If by a fluke we lose, that looks real bad.
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Post by obc on Nov 26, 2013 8:39:21 GMT -6
"I understand there is an advantage of not having a D2 game from a strength of schedule standpoint if you are not top two in the MVFC at the end of the year and hoping for an at-large bid - is that your thought?" - This is exactly my thought. I understand they now look at these games differently but, honestly, it's a non counter for getting into the playoffs. Also, I want to see competitive football at the Dome. If we want a bodybag game schedule Drake. A D2 game is a waste of time and is a no win situation. If we blow them out, well, we're supposed to. If by a fluke we lose, that looks real bad. That makes sense to me. If you could somehow get to conference play with 3 D1 wins you could feel good knowing a 5-3 conference record could get you into the playoffs. |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 26, 2013 9:05:02 GMT -6
No D2 game. Agree on scheduling a Pioneer team or another one like that. UND every other year would help solidify the OOC schedule and can't wait for that to happen. Why no D2 games? NDSU played Ferris St this year, and both Montana and UNI frequently play one D2 game to pad their schedule. Those schools cost a lot less to get than an FCS team. I think Butler cost SDSU roughly twice what Ferris St charged the Bison to get those games. I understand there is an advantage of not having a D2 game from a strength of schedule standpoint if you are not top two in the MVFC at the end of the year and hoping for an at-large bid - is that your thought? I'm pretty darn sure that NDSU played Ferris State because Montana State bailed on them pretty late. |
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Post by obc on Nov 26, 2013 9:07:33 GMT -6
Why no D2 games? NDSU played Ferris St this year, and both Montana and UNI frequently play one D2 game to pad their schedule. Those schools cost a lot less to get than an FCS team. I think Butler cost SDSU roughly twice what Ferris St charged the Bison to get those games. I understand there is an advantage of not having a D2 game from a strength of schedule standpoint if you are not top two in the MVFC at the end of the year and hoping for an at-large bid - is that your thought? I'm pretty darn sure that NDSU played Ferris State because Montana State bailed on them pretty late. And they had the opportunity to schedule UND that week and didn't. They also only played 11 regular season games versus 12 like most FCS teams this year. |
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 26, 2013 9:32:08 GMT -6
My two cents is this years schedule was about right. We played the money game (Kansas), and three schools from the Big Sky. Getting UND back would be good. Truthfully, I'd rather be 8-4 with this past seasons schedule, then 10-2 by playing Drake or someone like that. Playing equals or people perceived as better than us makes us battle ready. If you're 8-4 and heading off to Northern Arizona, you then know you can and should win that game.
Again, I'd rather be 8-4, make the playoffs and win some games, then be 10-2 against weaker schools, and be a one and done. Just my thoughts. Now, all that being said, playing Oregon for the money game is brutal. I just hope we are more physical than they are, that they run around us, because no one wants injuries from that game. Playing Kansas was perfect, as it alo gave us an outside, although realistic shot at winning. At Oregon, no shot. However, seeing their facilities would be cool enough to get me there.
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Post by jackl on Nov 26, 2013 10:28:38 GMT -6
No D2 game. Agree on scheduling a Pioneer team or another one like that. UND every other year would help solidify the OOC schedule and can't wait for that to happen. Why no D2 games? NDSU played Ferris St this year, and both Montana and UNI frequently play one D2 game to pad their schedule. Those schools cost a lot less to get than an FCS team. I think Butler cost SDSU roughly twice what Ferris St charged the Bison to get those games.I understand there is an advantage of not having a D2 game from a strength of schedule standpoint if you are not top two in the MVFC at the end of the year and hoping for an at-large bid - is that your thought? Wrong |
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Post by azsod73 on Nov 26, 2013 10:31:35 GMT -6
My two cents is this years schedule was about right. We played the money game (Kansas), and three schools from the Big Sky. Getting UND back would be good. Truthfully, I'd rather be 8-4 with this past seasons schedule, then 10-2 by playing Drake or someone like that. Playing equals or people perceived as better than us makes us battle ready. If you're 8-4 and heading off to Northern Arizona, you then know you can and should win that game. Again, I'd rather be 8-4, make the playoffs and win some games, then be 10-2 against weaker schools, and be a one and done. Just my thoughts. Now, all that being said, playing Oregon for the money game is brutal. I just hope we are more physical than they are, that they run around us, because no one wants injuries from that game. Playing Kansas was perfect, as it alo gave us an outside, although realistic shot at winning. At Oregon, no shot. However, seeing their facilities would be cool enough to get me there. Speaking of Oregon, I have watched them 4-5 times this year, Stanford man handled them (final score was closer than actual game), and last weekend a rather pedestrian Univ. of Arizona absolutely throttled the Ducks. In both games the Ducks were out manned on the line of scrimmage. Arizona pounded them with Ka'Deem Carey (5'10" 196#), 48 rushes for 206 yards. Of course Stanford, and even Arizona, have far more horse power than we can put on the field and we will have no chance of winning in Eugene, but it will be a great experience for the Yotes! |
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Post by obc on Nov 26, 2013 10:34:00 GMT -6
Why no D2 games? NDSU played Ferris St this year, and both Montana and UNI frequently play one D2 game to pad their schedule. Those schools cost a lot less to get than an FCS team. I think Butler cost SDSU roughly twice what Ferris St charged the Bison to get those games.I understand there is an advantage of not having a D2 game from a strength of schedule standpoint if you are not top two in the MVFC at the end of the year and hoping for an at-large bid - is that your thought? Wrong What was the cost? |
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Post by obc on Nov 26, 2013 11:03:43 GMT -6
Why no D2 games? NDSU played Ferris St this year, and both Montana and UNI frequently play one D2 game to pad their schedule. Those schools cost a lot less to get than an FCS team. I think Butler cost SDSU roughly twice what Ferris St charged the Bison to get those games.I understand there is an advantage of not having a D2 game from a strength of schedule standpoint if you are not top two in the MVFC at the end of the year and hoping for an at-large bid - is that your thought? Wrong I think I was able to find what NDSU paid Ferris St ~$180k. I do know that when USD traveled to Montana and McNeese St the program received about half as much as what the program now receives as a FCS team. The ferris st game was a very last minute add so I would guess that factored into the inflated price, that and the fact that NDSU can pay that with their strong ticket revenue per game. When USD has brought lower division teams in during transition they were paying $50-$75 k depending on distance the team was traveling. The FCS teams have wanted $100-$125. Sayler while still at USD said at a meeting that NDSU has driven up the price teams are asking to come play. |
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Post by GoYotes on Nov 26, 2013 12:55:34 GMT -6
I apologize in advance for continuing the drift from the title of the thread. From a reaching the playoff standpoint, the best non-conference opponent to schedule is the top team from a weak conference, especially if the Yotes can be their only FCS power conference opponent. The SRS rating system used by the selection committee is bases only on win-loss differential and strength of schedule. I don't fully understand how the strength of schedule component is calculated, but it appears that it is primarily on the win-loss differential of your opponents. SDSU hit a scheduling home run this year in scheduling SELA & Butler as I believe they would have made the playoffs, even with a loss to Youngstown.
Now back to the thread, I echo to earlier thanks to the seniors. For them and the program. Onward.
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Post by USDyotes on Nov 27, 2013 22:39:31 GMT -6
Congrats to Tyler Starr for getting the defensive player of the year award. Thanks for everything you've done for USD
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Post by 1bizon1 on Nov 28, 2013 8:31:47 GMT -6
The only reason NDSU played a D2 team this year is due to Montana backing out. They tried to find a D1 opponent to no avail. Otherwise I do not believe you will see that happening again.
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