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Post by Yotes on Aug 26, 2014 18:38:32 GMT -6
I'm only familiar with the Admissions process at USD (2.6 GPA or 21 ACT or top 50% of your class), do other large schools (like Nebraska) require a good ACT score for admission? He can actually be accepted to USD with less than that - he needs to meet the NCAA Div 1 initial elligibility requirements. NCAA DIVISION 1 INITIAL ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTSThanks for that info, I had never seen the NCAA's academic requirements before. Let's hope he makes it to campus with instant eligibility. |
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Aug 28, 2014 8:00:33 GMT -6
Seeing as the Argus released their HS Football preview today, I was intrigued by some of the rosters and players that are out there. There seem to be several with ideal size and/or accolades.
Does anybody know the story on Mikey Daniel from Brookings? There seems to be some hype around this kid as he attended the IMG Academy last year.
Likewise, there are a few big lineman around the state that seem to have the measurables, but I know nothing about their ability. Anybody have any insights?
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Post by summitfan on Aug 28, 2014 9:15:57 GMT -6
Thanks for that info, I had never seen the NCAA's academic requirements before. Let's hope he makes it to campus with instant eligibility. OBC is correct. The NCAA eligibility rules are the ones that matter. Most of the admission requirements for schools are for marketing purposes. Page 20 of the Board of Regents Factbook shows the ACT of the incoming freshman classes from SD and from out-of-state at each university. sdbor.edu/mediapubs/factbook/documents/FY14Factbook.pdfUSD had 1168 incoming high school seniors and 263 of them had an ACT of below 21. That is 22.5% SDSU had 2112 incoming high school seniors and 590 of them had an ACT of below 21. That is 27.9% SDSM&T had 519 incoming high school seniors and 20 of them had an ACT of below 21. That is 3.8% NSU had 356 students and 128 had an ACT of below 21. That is 36.0% DSU had 273 students and 93 had an ACT of below 21. That is 34.0% BHSU had 499 students and 215 had an ACT of below 21. That is 43.1% USD lists 21 ACT as a requirement but their percentage isn't that much different that SDSU which has 18 ACT as a requirement. That is because of the 2.6 GPA or 21 ACT or top 50% gives a lot of options plus waivers. The other schools are a higher percentage. Any SD school rarely rejects a tuition check. Sorry for all of the random details. My main point is that I imagine he could still get enrolled even at an FBS school or USD but he can't play unless he meets the NCAA requirements. The school requirements can be waived or have exceptions for any student. |
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Post by fightsd on Aug 28, 2014 9:22:44 GMT -6
Thanks for that info, I had never seen the NCAA's academic requirements before. Let's hope he makes it to campus with instant eligibility. OBC is correct. The NCAA eligibility rules are the ones that matter. Most of the admission requirements for schools are for marketing purposes. Page 20 of the Board of Regents Factbook shows the ACT of the incoming freshman classes from SD and from out-of-state at each university. sdbor.edu/mediapubs/factbook/documents/FY14Factbook.pdfUSD had 1168 incoming high school seniors and 263 of them had an ACT of below 21. That is 22.5% SDSU had 2112 incoming high school seniors and 590 of them had an ACT of below 21. That is 27.9% SDSM&T had 519 incoming high school seniors and 20 of them had an ACT of below 21. That is 3.8% NSU had 356 students and 128 had an ACT of below 21. That is 36.0% DSU had 273 students and 93 had an ACT of below 21. That is 34.0% BHSU had 499 students and 215 had an ACT of below 21. That is 43.1% USD lists 21 ACT as a requirement but their precentage isn't that much different that SDSU which has 18 ACT as a requirement. The other schools are a higher percentage and all have 18 ACT as a requirement so below 21 is no big deal. All of the schools even admitted several students with an ACT below 18. Any SD school rarely rejects a tuition check. Sorry for all of the random details. My main point is that I imagine he could still get enrolled even at an FBS school or USD but he can't play unless he meets the NCAA requirements. The school requirements can be waved or have exceptions for any student. Thanks summitfan. Most important part of this post is that the U is better than state once again. |
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Post by Yotes on Aug 28, 2014 11:16:20 GMT -6
OBC is correct. The NCAA eligibility rules are the ones that matter. Most of the admission requirements for schools are for marketing purposes. Page 20 of the Board of Regents Factbook shows the ACT of the incoming freshman classes from SD and from out-of-state at each university. sdbor.edu/mediapubs/factbook/documents/FY14Factbook.pdfUSD had 1168 incoming high school seniors and 263 of them had an ACT of below 21. That is 22.5% SDSU had 2112 incoming high school seniors and 590 of them had an ACT of below 21. That is 27.9% SDSM&T had 519 incoming high school seniors and 20 of them had an ACT of below 21. That is 3.8% NSU had 356 students and 128 had an ACT of below 21. That is 36.0% DSU had 273 students and 93 had an ACT of below 21. That is 34.0% BHSU had 499 students and 215 had an ACT of below 21. That is 43.1% USD lists 21 ACT as a requirement but their precentage isn't that much different that SDSU which has 18 ACT as a requirement. The other schools are a higher percentage and all have 18 ACT as a requirement so below 21 is no big deal. All of the schools even admitted several students with an ACT below 18. Any SD school rarely rejects a tuition check. Sorry for all of the random details. My main point is that I imagine he could still get enrolled even at an FBS school or USD but he can't play unless he meets the NCAA requirements. The school requirements can be waved or have exceptions for any student. Thanks summitfan. Most important part of this post is that the U is better than state once again. While our academic programs far outshine theirs, their enrollment is still higher . It confuses the heck out of me, but it isn't really relevant here |
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Aug 29, 2014 0:13:05 GMT -6
Seeing as the Argus released their HS Football preview today, I was intrigued by some of the rosters and players that are out there. There seem to be several with ideal size and/or accolades. Does anybody know the story on Mikey Daniel from Brookings? There seems to be some hype around this kid as he attended the IMG Academy last year. Likewise, there are a few big lineman around the state that seem to have the measurables, but I know nothing about their ability. Anybody have any insights? The quality of recruits coming from SD is getting better, no doubt. When SDSU made the jump, and later USD, the quality of football recruits in SD was a major problem. It's getting better, though. |
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Post by obc on Aug 30, 2014 6:29:10 GMT -6
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Post by obc on Sept 6, 2014 5:10:22 GMT -6
Calvin Strong 13 carries for 230 yds last night plus one reception for 23 yds. Game Summary |
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Post by jackjd on Sept 6, 2014 10:08:45 GMT -6
Most important part of this post is that the U is better than state once again. fightsd and Yotes: You’re doing a little cherry-picking on the statistics. Dig a little further and look at the stats comparing the number of 24 and greater ACT students entering SDSU and USD. Take a look also at the stats showing where the bulk of South Dakota top students enrolled when they decided to stay in state. SDSU has a particular role in developing the State as South Dakota’s land-grant institution. Land grant institutions should not have tough entrance requirements as a way of weeding out students who are capable and will benefit the state and nation with an education. USD and, as another example, SD Tech have different roles. I support the notion that USD and SD Tech should have tougher entrance requirements in an effort to attract the very best students coming out of high schools. But don’t think SDSU is somehow missing top students. It's not. SDSU's Briggs Scholars are students qualified to attend any institution in the United States. SDSU was the first institution to create a special scholarship for students with high ACT scores (the Jackrabbit Guarantee -- USD followed several years later with a similar scholarship.) Dig into the stats. Out of the nearly 1000 more incoming freshman students SDSU has over USD, compare the number of high-ACT students enrolling at SDSU and USD. Added later: I'll save some time for anyone interested: From the 2014 “Fact Book” on the Board of Regents website (these stats are for 2013 enrollments): South Dakota high school grads: 28-36 ACT scores: SDSU 121; USD 105; Tech 65 24-27 ACT scores: SDSU 426; USD 226; Tech 82 21-23 ACT scores: SDSU 301; USD 207; Tech 36 18-20 ACT scores: SDSU 238; USD 119; Tech 10 Less than 18: SDSU 61; USD 26; Tech 1 Grads of high schools outside South Dakota: 28-36 ACT scores: SDSU 112; USD 47; Tech 86 24-27 ACT scores: SDSU 252; USD 142; Tech 134 21-23 ACT scores: SDSU 252; USD 148; Tech 50 18-20 ACT scores: SDSU 227; USD 86; Tech 6 Less than 18: SDSU 64; USD 32; Tech 3 The above numbers tell us that for 2013 incoming freshmen, 911 enrolled at SDSU with 24 or greater ACT scores while 520 enrolled at USD with 24 or greater ACT scores. Good luck against William Penn. Make a statement for the MVFC! |
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Post by yotefan on Sept 6, 2014 20:35:41 GMT -6
I'd be interested in seeing the numbers from the Regents factbook for the last decade instead of just one year. In the recent past USD has had several years where it rivaled Ivy League schools and other bigs in the number of Fulbright, Goldwater, Truman, etc..scholars, while I don't ever recall similar bumper crops of academic braggadocio coming from up north. I'd also like to know how many of those high ACT Jacks ultimately end up in the same boat as JackJD did, which is at USD to get their JD, MD, MBA, etc...
Also, OBC-thanks for the Strong updates. Hopefully USD can hang on to that kid.
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Post by jackjd on Sept 6, 2014 21:45:56 GMT -6
I'd be interested in seeing the numbers from the Regents factbook for the last decade instead of just one year. In the recent past USD has had several years where it rivaled Ivy League schools and other bigs in the number of Fulbright, Goldwater, Truman, etc..scholars, while I don't ever recall similar bumper crops of academic braggadocio coming from up north. I'd also like to know how many of those high ACT Jacks ultimately end up in the same boat as JackJD did, which is at USD to get their JD, MD, MBA, etc... Hmmmm...this seems that you didn't like the discussion on ACT scores. I haven't looked up the Fulbright, Goldwater, Truman etc. scholars so I can't comment. I am aware USD has a right to be very proud of the number of Truman, Fulbright, Goldwater scholars. Both schools can claim a Nobel Prize winner...USD's in physics and, much more recently, SDSU's in Economics. Not sure what that kind of stuff tells us except those individuals who earn such recognition should be congratulated. You expressed interest in seeing the numbers from the Regents for the last decade. Aren't you going to look them up? You claim to have an interest in knowing how many SDSU students with high ACT scores go on to graduate school at USD -- on that topic, I do know some of the statistics as they apply to law schools and I don't think you'd like to see the comparative numbers of SDSU students going on to law schools who do not consider attending USD Law (on that point, I am aware of those stats because I have encouraged young people to consider USD Law but in recent years that has been a real uphill battle which may be getting steeper). Incidently, you can inquire of USD's law school whether an effort is being made (it is) to attract to USD Law more SDSU students because having students with backgrounds in sciences including, for example, engineering, Pharmacy, Biochemistry etc. would enhance the diversity of the law school's student body...but, those students are not considering USD Law. A significant number of SDSU grads go on to medical school but I am not familiar with the stats on which schools they are attending...same comment on MBAs and other graduate programs that are not offered at SDSU. Once you start thinking about those points, shouldn't you investigate how many USD undergrads get advanced degrees at SDSU? And where does cost of the graduate degree figure into the decision-making process? How many students select a particular school based on cost? And if a particular school, because of one's residency, is tremendously less expensive than other schools, but the least-costly school is not being selected by students...well, what's going on? (I should apologize. Some "questions" are more like accusations or attempts to imply something, aren't they. Maybe that's why I chose to post again -- there were some comments and 'questions'.) I know this is USD's message board and it does not surprise me that some USD fans are going to claim USD is superior to SDSU in all things. Similarly, you should not be surprised to learn that some SDSU fans are going to claim SDSU is superior over USD in all things. One thing seems certain: you cannot prove either of those positions...and if they could be proved with evidence, they'd probably shift and change back and forth over time. Back to what prompted me to comment in the first place: Some broad conclusions may be reached from information on the ACT scores of a group of students but you have to look at all the stats and be wary about some conclusions being drawn. (Don't we all know at least one person who blew the ACT and yet is one of the smartest people we know? And don't we all know at least one person who aced the ACT test but doesn't have a lick of sense and can only be considered an idiot in many situations?) SDSU has made a concerted effort to increase the number of high-ACT students and the effort has paid off. College administrators will state that there is a connection between high ACT scores and student success in college and it seems that conclusion is supported by evidence (USD Pres. Abbott said this when we were at USD student orientation for one of my kids). In my prior post, I pointed out that a much greater number of high-ACT students enrolled at SDSU than USD in 2013. Back to sports. I was in the crowd at SDSU's game with Cal-POLY today but I recorded the USD v. Wm Penn game and am watching it now. Congrats to the 'Yotes. I going to fast forward through the first half and just watch the second half. Sounds like the 'Yotes turned it on after halftime and won decisively and the replacement quarterback did a good job. |
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Post by obc on Sept 7, 2014 5:09:28 GMT -6
Anyone else tired of this debate? Just like Harvard and Yale this debate won't be settled.
My degree served me well just like a degree from SDSU has served my neighbor well. I also know USD grads and SDSU grads that struggle in their "careers".
Let's go get the Griz!
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Post by wrj on Sept 7, 2014 7:06:07 GMT -6
My daughter earned one of those aforementioned prestigious scholarships at USD several years ago. She, the university, and I were all rightfully proud. One thing that I noticed during that time was that USD was doing a very good job of selecting specific students who would be applicants, then assisting and coaching them through the application process. I absolutely agree that each one selected for these prestigious awards deserved to win, but a lot of the credit also goes to one person in the Honors faculty for effective coaching. She was not very well known, but a far better and more important coach for the university than you will currently find in your athletic department.
I agree with earlier posts. We will argue quality of schools ad nauseam. Beth serve the state of South Dakota well. Beat the Griz.
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Post by yotefan on Sept 7, 2014 7:43:57 GMT -6
wrj, I know exactly who you're talking about in the Honors department and couldn't agree with you more. Great point.
JackJD, on the contrary, the ACT discussion is one I have always found fun, but I'm with obc, the "debate" has worn out its welcome on this thread, so I will stand by my one and only post on the topic above.
Getting excited for the Griz and am hoping we won't see the triple option anymore.
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Post by jackjd on Sept 7, 2014 7:47:33 GMT -6
Anyone else tired of this debate? Just like Harvard and Yale this debate won't be settled. My degree served me well just like a degree from SDSU has served my neighbor well. I also know USD grads and SDSU grads that struggle in their "careers". Let's go get the Griz! Tired of the debate years ago! Grizz took care of Central Washington 48-14 in Missoula Saturday. I talked to a long-time Montana season ticket holder who told me Coach Glenn was a fan favorite out there. I hope the Coyotes can take away some of the remaining good will and add a W to the MVFC record over the Big Sky. |
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