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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 2, 2015 19:11:21 GMT -6
I have been doing some thinking about this but the football program is at a major crossroads right now. The program is coming off of 3 absolutely horrible seasons in a row and there is little sign that things will improve and also little sign from administration that they are going to do much to change the trends. How can the program come off as putrid of a year in 2014 that they came off of only to do absolutely nothing to show intangible signs of improvement in the off season. The plans to renovate the dome have been put on a hold and who is to say that it's not on permanent hold. Does it really make sense to renovate an aging and outdated facility.
So the facility is outdated the team is really, really bad right now so conceivably could the program simply be disbanded. Could the administration just pull the plug on Coyote Football. It actually would make alot of sense. Many of the USD programs are on the rise headlined by the success of the Women's basketball program and the rising success of the Men's basketball program. Track is looking strong and other programs are holding their own. Football on the other hand just can't seem to find a way to sustain any momentum. Really since 1986 the program has been bad much more than they have been good.
The Basketball teams are the shining light of the athletic department and a brand new facility is on the way. Instead of wasting any more money on the football program why not put those resources to use in other ways. USD could add sports and be more of an all around player in the Summit League. Take some of the money put towards the football program and give it back in coaches salaries to Amy Williams and Craig Smith. Keep these stars in Vermillion and get rid of all the bad karma that is Coyote Football.
Administration why not take a serious look at this for the overall betterment of Coyote Athletics.
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Post by yanktonyote on Apr 2, 2015 20:07:56 GMT -6
IDIOT TROLL
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Post by sdyotefan on Apr 2, 2015 20:47:19 GMT -6
coyotefan really needs to be permanently banned. His vindictiveness toward the Coyote football program, previous basketball coaches, etc is reason enough. Administrators I don't know if you want to have a poll or whatever but I believe many posters believe as I do. I for one am totally tired of his rants!!!
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 2, 2015 21:06:07 GMT -6
coyotefan really needs to be permanently banned. His vindictiveness toward the Coyote football program, previous basketball coaches, etc is reason enough. Administrators I don't know if you want to have a poll or whatever but I believe many posters believe as I do. I for one am totally tired of his rants!!! Message boards are for opinions and everyone is entitled to an opinion so live with it. If the football program can't get it right than why do it at all. This is certainly no grounds for a ban, there were no rules broken simply making a statement. People are entitled to disagree all they want. |
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Post by jackjd on Apr 2, 2015 22:53:06 GMT -6
(My sympathy: gonna be a long off-season, guys.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 1:59:57 GMT -6
It doesn't help that USD football is in the best FCS conference in the country. If they were in just about any other football conference they would finish in the top half of those conferences. Just look how the Montana and NAU games went this past season and the year prior. The Valley is just one tough cookie.
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Post by golfingyote on Apr 3, 2015 6:37:24 GMT -6
coyotefan really needs to be permanently banned. His vindictiveness toward the Coyote football program, previous basketball coaches, etc is reason enough. Administrators I don't know if you want to have a poll or whatever but I believe many posters believe as I do. I for one am totally tired of his rants!!! Message boards are for opinions and everyone is entitled to an opinion so live with it. If the football program can't get it right than why do it at all. This is certainly no grounds for a ban, there were no rules broken simply making a statement. People are entitled to disagree all they want. We will almost all disagree. However, 99% of us will agree that you are a dipshit for starting this thread. *warn me/do what needs to be done for my vulgarity. |
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Post by Yotes on Apr 3, 2015 6:53:07 GMT -6
I have hope that this year will be the best yet under Glenn. 2013 we were really facing in the right direction, even with about half the schedule just barely slipping through our fingers. Last year we came out with a ton of confidence against Oregon. Then Kevin Earl broke his thumb and all confidence was shot. I'm not going to predict a huge upswing this year. I however am not going to give up on the team 5 months before the season starts.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 3, 2015 7:52:02 GMT -6
So the facility is outdated the team is really, really bad right now so conceivably could the program simply be disbanded. Could the administration just pull the plug on Coyote Football. It actually would make alot of sense. Take some of the money put towards the football program and give it back in coaches salaries to Amy Williams and Craig Smith. Keep these stars in Vermillion and get rid of all the bad karma that is Coyote Football. Administration why not take a serious look at this for the overall betterment of Coyote Athletics. No, you won't get banned for voicing your opinion, but these right here are just some stupid statements. Pull the plug on football and put the money into the bouncy ball, great idea, and women's basketball at that. I know there are a lot of people that are happy about the WBB team's success, but in the end it is only women's basketball. It does not move the needle like a successful football program does. Heck, the football team has been horrible these last few years yet there are a lot of people still showing up at games and tailgating. A lot more than come to watch basketball. Do you want support for the athletic department to just crater to nothing. I know plenty of people that would completely disassociate with the university if that happened, including myself. People still complain about dropping baseball and that was a minimal impact sport. Drop football and you might as well shut down the athletic department. |
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Post by 91jack on Apr 3, 2015 8:55:57 GMT -6
So the facility is outdated the team is really, really bad right now so conceivably could the program simply be disbanded. Could the administration just pull the plug on Coyote Football. It actually would make alot of sense. Take some of the money put towards the football program and give it back in coaches salaries to Amy Williams and Craig Smith. Keep these stars in Vermillion and get rid of all the bad karma that is Coyote Football. Administration why not take a serious look at this for the overall betterment of Coyote Athletics. No, you won't get banned for voicing your opinion, but these right here are just some stupid statements. Pull the plug on football and put the money into the bouncy ball, great idea, and women's basketball at that. I know there are a lot of people that are happy about the WBB team's success, but in the end it is only women's basketball. It does not move the needle like a successful football program does. Heck, the football team has been horrible these last few years yet there are a lot of people still showing up at games and tailgating. A lot more than come to watch basketball. Do you want support for the athletic department to just crater to nothing. I know plenty of people that would completely disassociate with the university if that happened, including myself. People still complain about dropping baseball and that was a minimal impact sport. Drop football and you might as well shut down the athletic department. I could maybe see this argument a little more at SDSU if their football team was struggling and if they have to drop equestrian. That way they could even out their scholarships to comply with title 9. It will be interesting to see what they will do if equestrian has to be dropped. It looks like fans mostly show up for football and basketball. You probably make more money off of football tickets than all of your other sports combined. You might have to take out the SDSU basketball games and maybe one or two other games but football gets people going. I don't know as much about USD's football team as you guys do but I thought that this year would be their year. It seemed to me that they will have a ton of seniors next year (in football, WBB, MBB- I don't know much about your other sports). We will see what happens next year and take it from there. I could see coach Glenn walk away after that. He has had time to get his players and they will be upperclassmen so you can't blame it on that anymore. I guess if you pulled football you would have many more mens scholarships to win the Summit League Commisioners Cup but what is that really worth? It sounds impressive but would you rather win that(or the Corn Growers Cup- or whatever that called) or get to tailgate and watch a good football game? Would you just jack up the scholarships for the sports you have or look to add sports like baseball, wrestling, etc... to comply with title 9? My opinion is that the fans want to watch and follow football. You give this coach another year and take it from there. If you have to move on that way, do it. You might hire a coach like Amy Williams, Criag Smith, your track coaches, etc... and your program will be back. I would go into what sabdakotastate wrote about the MVC being the toughest conference in FCS but I think the Summit and MVFC is where they belong and don't want people to think they should run somewhere else. |
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 3, 2015 9:37:21 GMT -6
There won't be banning for someone's opinion being expressed.
I want to address CF's post on dropping football. The easy thing to do is lash out at how ridiculous it is, but I will say his,post has sparked some early discussion on which direction the program is going. I want to add the element of where it came from. And the absolute need ( in my opinion ) for it to remain relavent.
Back when Ed Meierkort was dismissed as coach, the vast majority on here felt it was the right thing to do. I took an opposite position, but not for the reasons some assumed at the time. No matter what everyone's impression or feelings they had of Ed ( remove his personal story ), Ed won his fair share of games at USD. He wasn't told of the transition from D2-D1 at the time of his hiring, and he didn't back away from scheduling opponents that he could get that would be assumed to be better than the Coyites at the time of scheduling. The criticisms of a few of the lessor opponents weren't warranted in my opinion because we couldn't get people to come to Vermillion at the time. Hell, it's still difficult. We pulled off the upset at Minnesota, we knocked off number 1 Eastern Washington in the Dome, and we beat some really good schools. In addition to those wins, the Coyotes played an exciting brand of football. The football argument against Edwas he couldn't win on the road, and there was some truth to that. But my biggest criticism of the fire was he wasn't even brought in to meet woth the AD and have a face to face at his shortcomings, and a plan to deal with them in a favorable light. I get the personal stuff, so please don't bash his post because I get it. I'm purely talking about the football side of issues. Also, and this bothered CF and others at the time, but another criticsm of Ed was he was to close to the boosters. This is where I say...WTF? Who funds the program? Who writes the checks? Do you seriously want a coach that alienates the boosters and alumni?
That fire hurt USD in the coaching world. Joe Glenn's hire was a job well done to try and take the sting out of it, because Joe is just one hell of a guy. But firing Ed for he reasons that were given (substitute Ed's name with George or Tom or Dick, I don't care) made a lot of coaches look at USD in a different set of eyes. Again, forget Ed's personal issues in Vermillion, I'm purely talking about the coaching side.
Now fast forward to today. Anyone that knows me know for a fact I bleed Coyote red. It hasn't been till the past 8-10 years or so that I was in a financial position to do more than join Howling Pack and sponsor a schlorship for football. Just recently my wife and I made a major gift pledge to the Arena project because in my mind there is no institution I feel stronger about than USD. I had the good fortune of playing here, and I know for a fact, had I not played football, I wouldn't have had the success in the business world I did. It came as a result doing the many things you learn as a player and teammate, and implementing them to business. Planning, treating people right, risk taking, etc...I could go on, but I wont. So because of this belief, we made a pledge.
So why the post? Football has to remain, no questions asked. And I will tell you that the funds are getting close to the point where they can announce a Dome renovation
sometime soon. The Dome is NOT ANTIQUATED, but it needs some face lifting. I have been promised the Dome project will happen. If it doesn't, or if administration drops football, Im not sure I would set foot back on campus, it would hurt that much. Something I believe in so much to be taken away would be an atrocity. Whether we start the turn this year, next year, or in five years, just understand the downturn started with how the previous coach was handled. ( whether he had it coming or not). I believe in Joe Glenn, and if he says he simply can't get it done, then I'll trust him to say so. Until then, get out your checkbooks and support this program with whatever yiu can afford. Don't be a fan that criticizes but won't back it up with financing. It's easy to not write the check.
Join Howling Pack, and make a pledge if you can. I want another 100 years of Coyote football.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 3, 2015 13:03:49 GMT -6
^^^ One of the best posters on this board folks.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Apr 3, 2015 15:16:55 GMT -6
^^^ One of the best posters on this board folks. Agreed. 100% |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 3, 2015 16:49:40 GMT -6
Honestly I am surprised there isn't even more backlash with this topic. Why does it have to take a sense of controversy to get this board hopping. Isn't the Summit League basketball tourney enough to get that to happen on it's own. This post goes up and suddenly other topics get more attention as well.
I realize the chances of football getting cut are probably slim but at the same time there needs to be a serious sense of urgency to get it going then. That goes from top to bottom. It starts with the admin funding it properly to the coaches and players being held accountable and goes all the way down to the fans. Where is the outrage and where is the backlash with this program right now from the fans. Do people just not care or do people just don't want to comment if it's not positive. Lets get real here, there are serious problems with the competitiveness with the program. The Yotes are losing to the mediocre Valley teams and basically gettting run off the field by the top tier Valley teams. That should never be considered acceptable in any way, shape or form. There are a bunch of nice guys in the program but nice doesn't equal wins. Maybe a little more edge needs to be inserted in there somewhere. Coach Glenn is too nice at times and is kind of an "aww shucks" type of guy.
If we are going to have a football program lets start by having everyone be held accountable on all levels of the program. That includes the fans. They should never accept this type of losing year in and year out, which has what it has become. A good housecleaning after the season (assuming the Yotes finish no better than 3-5 in the Valley) would be a great place to start.
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Post by sdyotefan on Apr 3, 2015 21:48:04 GMT -6
So cf you can continue to post but I for one will not read any of your posts in the future. So post away....
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