Tradition

[Yote 53]

So USD and SDSU have been playing football against each other for longer than NDSU has existed. Interesting.

[Yotes]

I'm shocked to learn no other public in-state rivalry is older. Florida-Florida State? Georgia-Georgia Tech? Clemson-South Carolina? Texas-Texas A&M? Michigan-Michigan State? Iowa-Iowa State? Nah, South Dakota-South Dakota State predates all of them.

[jackjd]

Sept 28, 2018 17:10:31 GMT -6 Yotes said:

I'm shocked to learn no other public in-state rivalry is older. Florida-Florida State? Georgia-Georgia Tech? Clemson-South Carolina? Texas-Texas A&M? Michigan-Michigan State? Iowa-Iowa State? Nah, South Dakota-South Dakota State predates all of them.

Your shock is not warranted. For example, look up two Ohio public universities: Miami U and U of Cincinnati. I think there are several other, older games series in not just D1 but in other divisions too. The USD and SDSU series is one of the older ones.

[jackjd]

Sept 28, 2018 11:46:04 GMT -6 Yote 53 said:

So USD and SDSU have been playing football against each other for longer than NDSU has existed. Interesting.

Lol. One year.

[kiyoat]

Sept 29, 2018 7:20:30 GMT -6 jackjd said:

Sept 28, 2018 17:10:31 GMT -6 Yotes said:

I'm shocked to learn no other public in-state rivalry is older. Florida-Florida State? Georgia-Georgia Tech? Clemson-South Carolina? Texas-Texas A&M? Michigan-Michigan State? Iowa-Iowa State? Nah, South Dakota-South Dakota State predates all of them.

Your shock is not warranted. For example, look up two Ohio public universities: Miami U and U of Cincinnati. I think there are several other, older games series in not just D1 but in other divisions too. The USD and SDSU series is one of the older ones.

You are correct about Cincinnati-Miami. That game was played December 8, 1888. The USD-SDSU game was played May 5, 1889. Almost exactly 5 months later.

There are no older rivalries in division II, and all the older division III rivalries involve private schools. So I guess we can amend the statement to “second oldest”. Regardless, I happen to think it’s a pretty darn impressive statistic. Not sure why you feel the need to dismiss it.

[elcoyote]

Sept 29, 2018 10:21:03 GMT -6 kiyoat said:

Sept 29, 2018 7:20:30 GMT -6 jackjd said:

Your shock is not warranted. For example, look up two Ohio public universities: Miami U and U of Cincinnati. I think there are several other, older games series in not just D1 but in other divisions too. The USD and SDSU series is one of the older ones.

You are correct about Cincinnati-Miami. That game was played December 8, 1888. The USD-SDSU game was played May 5, 1889. Almost exactly 5 months later.

There are no older rivalries in division II, and all the older division III rivalries involve private schools. So I guess we can amend the statement to “second oldest”. Regardless, I happen to think it’s a pretty darn impressive statistic. Not sure why you feel the need to dismiss it.

Because that's what he does.

[wrj]

I also had doubts about a contrived rivalry with a rock. I doubt that any amount of choreography could have made it real if the games wouldn't have become competitive and important. There is still a bit of that lacking in the Jackrabbits/coyote's rivalry. The status of it will rise when the coyote's win, especially if happens in Brookings. It explodes when it happens twice in a row.

To support my position, I ask you to compare the SDSU vs NDSU rivalry and the SDSU vs USD rivalry in women's basketball.

[Yote 53]

Or Men's basketball.

I would mention other sports, but honestly, SDSU sucks at all the other sports.

[kiyoat]

Looks like Stig forgot to bring the Little Brown Jug...

[sdyotefan]

I wish we could do the Sitting Bull trophy again with North Dakota! It was a nice bust of Chief Sitting Bull. That was a natural trophy given the cultural heritage of each state not some made up/contrived granite marker???

[kiyoat]

Nov 15, 2017 10:38:05 GMT -6 kiyoat said:

Nov 15, 2017 10:13:42 GMT -6 Yote 53 said:

So has this jug been resurrected as a trophy for the game? Or has all the discussion about it been that we want it brought back?

Here's the video that was linked earlier in this thread:




They talk about it from the 3:40 mark to 4:50

1. I was wrong about it being "lost" because SDSU has had it since 2001, the last time it was exchanged.  It's just been somewhat "forgotten" in the D-1 move.

2.  Coach Stig seems to be a proponent of promoting the rivalry, so I am going to assume we would get the trophy if we win on Saturday.

In case anyone missed it, we have a historic rivalry trophy that we are now owed. Time to get it back. Let’s go, Stig.

[sdyotefan]

My guess is that anything to do with a jug would be something Stig would want to get rid of anyway!

[kiyoat]

I was trying to find another link to the image of the USD/SDSU "Little Brown Jug", because the previous image links in this thread are now defunct.  No dice.  The only image of it on the interwebs I can find is that MidcoSN interview from 2016 with Stig, that still exists on YouTube.  There are historic photos of it in existence, just not available online.

I did find a reference to it from an SDSU student's graduate thesis on SDSU football history:

Vacura, James L., "A History of Intercollegiate Football at South Dakota State University" (1968).
Electronic Theses and Dissertations. 3510.
openprairie.sdstate.edu/etd/3510
(page 45)

In the fall of 1927, Roy c. Davis , a Vermillion jeweler, suggested that the University of South Dakota and South Dakota State College play for a "Little Brown Jug,¹¹ with the winning team taking it home and placing it in its trophy case until the next year. The University immediately issued a challenge to State College to try to win it. The challenge was accepted , and the annual football game between the two colleges increased in rivalry. The first game played for the jug found State College on the losing side. ⁸¹

Again, I'll repeat that I sincerely hope that this historic travelling trophy will not be sidelined by the corporate or marketing interests of the schools or donors.  History like this can't be replicated or replaced.  It is part of our heritage.  In eight years the Jug will be 100 years old.

I realize that the jug is probably somewhat unimpressive in size, and there may be some hesitation in having it handled roughly by players, etc.  But I see no reason not to "bring it back" in the same way that we are trying to make this football rivalry relevant again.

[wrj]

I wonder if the Davis Jewelry family of Vermillion is the same family as the Davis Pharmacy family.

[kiyoat]

Nov 26, 2019 11:46:56 GMT -6 wrj said:

I wonder if the Davis Jewelry family of Vermillion is the same family as the Davis Pharmacy family.

It's the same Roy C. Davis that owned the Pharmacy.  Not sure why the thesis called him a jeweler, but maybe he sold both?  Pharmacies used to be "general stores" of a sort.  It's still owned by his descendants, I believe.