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Post by kiyoat on Feb 9, 2018 13:23:40 GMT -6
Thanks kiyoat for doing all the number crunching!! Very interesting!! I nominate you to be our official statistician!!! Thanks. I will say that I am better at compiling data than interpreting it. I'll rely on the rest of you for that.
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Post by jackjd on Feb 9, 2018 13:32:18 GMT -6
So I guess we could say that SDSU plays games in an almost half empty stadium while USD plays in front of a near capacity crowd. Yeah, yeah, I know, the Great Cow Pasture is a bigger stadium, but there is something to be said for playing in front of an intimate, electric environment, even if it is smaller. Don't you think most athletic departments would prefer revenue over small, intimate crowds? The planned renovations for the Dakota Dome now in the pipeline (approval process about completed; financing is next; followed by construction) should significantly increase revenue potential and my guess is having increased revenue to support the entire department will be much preferred even if the percentage of seats filled is less than current percentages. If it could be determined that those in control at USD prefer to nearly guarantee percentage of seats sold is the most important factor, then the Regents should be told now so that the legislature and the SD Building Authority don't have to waste any time and resources putting together the financing, and so that the USD fundraisers don't have to work the donor base for the donated-part of the financial commitment, Fortunately, USD's leadership, the loyal financial supporters, and, I have to believe, an overwhelming majority of the fan base want to increase capacity, increase revenue and shoot for capacity crowds in the future. The Dome's current capacity is not something to be happy about. It is a drag on success -- think of it this way: what could the Coyotes be doing with a six-figure increase in revenue added to the athletic department's income statement? Suggestion, yote53: don't try to justify filling a stadium that is too small for the crowd that will attend games in a larger facility. Be a supporter of the Dome renovations -- write a big check and get that done. It'll be great for USD and great for the MVFC. (By the way, have you compared football home-game revenue of USD and what you call the great cow pasture at SDSU?)
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Post by elcoyote on Feb 9, 2018 13:32:32 GMT -6
Great job, kiyoat. I know you got capacity from Wikipedia, but I went to the WIU game and no way that place holds over 17,000. Anybody else been there? I don't think I'm wrong not that it's any big deal one way or another.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 9, 2018 14:05:16 GMT -6
Great job, kiyoat. I know you got capacity from Wikipedia, but I went to the WIU game and no way that place holds over 17,000. Anybody else been there? I don't think I'm wrong not that it's any big deal one way or another. Yes, that place holds like 1/3 of their stated capacity.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 9, 2018 14:30:20 GMT -6
Great job, kiyoat. I know you got capacity from Wikipedia, but I went to the WIU game and no way that place holds over 17,000. Anybody else been there? I don't think I'm wrong not that it's any big deal one way or another. Yes, that place holds like 1/3 of their stated capacity. Looks like the MVFC wiki site needs to be updated. When you link to Hanson Field, it states capacity at 16,368. Big difference, I know. I'll update the numbers.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 9, 2018 15:02:39 GMT -6
[...] there is something to be said for playing in front of an intimate, electric environment, even if it is smaller.[...] having increased revenue to support the entire department will be much preferred even if the percentage of seats filled is less than current percentages. [...] The Dome's current capacity is not something to be happy about. It is a drag on success [...] Both of you are making valid points, but I don't think that Yote 53 was really arguing against anything you said, jd. He just stated "there's something to be said...." which I agree with. He didn't say that playing in front of a capacity crowd trumps revenue potential. When you cut out the inflammatory stuff (on both sides) There really isn't an argument. Compare 10,000 fans in a 10,000-seat stadium versus 10,000 fans in a 30,000-seat stadium. There is a big psychological difference in the experience and perception. I don't think I have read a single poster in this forum ever argue that we shouldn't expand Dome capacity, so that is a straw-man argument, in my opinion. I do think that schools should choose their target size for facility expansion carefully, because you always want the perception that you are filling the stadium/arena. I think the SCSC and the Dyke are good analogies, in that, both of them are just a touch larger than their biggest capacity rivalry games. (no, that was not a sellout vs NDSU in my book. Close, though, and impressive) I think an ideal balance is when you are selling out 1 or 2 games a season (or more), and filling it at least half full (or more) the rest of the time. We have some work to do at the SCSC to get to that point, but the SDSU game was at about 85% capacity. And Frost's numbers are very comparable. Some might argue that the Dyke went too big too fast. I would say 18k might have been a better number, but that's just splitting hairs.
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Post by yoteforever on Feb 9, 2018 15:58:41 GMT -6
Thanks kiyoat for doing all the number crunching!! Very interesting!! I nominate you to be our official statistician!!! DILLY DILLY
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Post by jackjd on Feb 9, 2018 19:56:08 GMT -6
...but that's just splitting hairs. You missed a perfect opportunity for a pun: splitting hares.
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Post by aldewitt on Feb 15, 2018 1:46:02 GMT -6
These figures show the future of FCS growth is in the empty seats. Better marketing and better teams are the answer. I used 2 examples from our area SDSU for better marketing and UND for a better team. I stand by my original point. By the looks of things some schools schools must sell seats but due to terrible football teams have nobody there. UND would be a prime case in point. WIU is sitting on a gold mine with 79% of their stadium empty. 2016 & 2017 MVFC Football Home Attendance by school (as reported from each team's box scores). Rank--2016--2017-(change)--school--capacity*--(%full)#1--18,556-- 18,333-(-223)-- NDSU--19,000--(96%) #2--12,439-- 14,203-(+1,764)- YSU--20,630--(69%) #3--13,753--11,994-(-1,759)-SDSU-19,340--(62%)#4--10,156-- 11,440-(+1284)- ILS----13,391--(85%) #0---9,944--10,428-(+484)--UND---12,283--(85%)#5--12,123--- 9,696-(-2,427)- UNI---16,324--(59%) #6---8,835---9,347-(+512)---USD---10,000--(93%)#7--10,097--- 8,395-(-1,702)- MSU---17,500--(48%) #8---7,919--- 6,762-(-1,157)-- SIU---15,000--(45%) #9---5,153--- 4,489-(-664)---- INS---12,764--(35%) #10--4,910--- 3,477-(-1,433)- WIU---16,368--(21%) *capacity taken from Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Football_Conference
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