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Post by gorabbits on Jul 31, 2017 12:30:55 GMT -6
The AGS preseason poll is out. It is traditionally one of the most accurate polls. They have James Madison as the overwhelming #1 pick with 64 out of a possible 75 first place votes. USD is in the others receiving votes category. The voters are 75 fans who participate in the AGS forum. (I am one of the voters) I had you on my top 25 ballot as did many others. Good luck this year (except when you host us.) There are 6 MVFC teams on the list. www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?193895-AGS-Poll-Results-PRESEASON-07-31-2017 |
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Post by yoteforever on Jul 31, 2017 20:25:05 GMT -6
6 in the top 25 plus USD ranked 33rd.
At this point I feel is somewhat accurate. I stand by my predictions...we beat SDSU in Vermillion. Yet they win the league. Coyotes go 7-4 and 5-3 in The Valley.
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Post by YoKid on Jul 31, 2017 21:25:40 GMT -6
6 in the top 25 plus USD ranked 33rd. At this point I feel is somewhat accurate. I stand by my predictions...we beat SDSU in Vermillion. Yet they win the league. Coyotes go 7-4 and 5-3 in The Valley. Wow...insane schedule 1 x FBS school 3 x #2-10 4 x #11-22 *will have to beat 4 ranked teams (or an FBS team plus 3 ranked teams) to meet your prediction... |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 8, 2017 19:55:40 GMT -6
I don't understand how South Dakota State can be ranked as high as #4 in the country in any poll when they have never actually made it to the final four when it counts in the post season. They nearly lost to Villanova at home in the playoffs and got pasted by NDSU. I really don't understand that reasoning ranking them so high when they have proven time and time again when the going gets tough in the playoffs they don't come through. At least NDSU, Youngstown, Illinois State etc have made deep runs further then anything SDSU has ever done. I am not standing up for USD as they have virtually done nothing themselves but they also have not been over rated in any pre-season poll either.
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Post by easmus on Aug 8, 2017 20:06:01 GMT -6
The funny thing is there are a lot of State fans with the same thoughts about them. That Stig can't win the big game.
No matter what, our schedule is brutal. We have to beat Drake, Indy St, and SIU. Pick up 3-4 other wins and you should be in the playoffs. I'm starting to think no one should be off likits for playing time, even freshmen. We have to stop talking about turning the corner and actually turn it one of these days. We need momentum. If true freshman need to play to give us the depth we need to compete in November, play them.
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 9, 2017 8:36:29 GMT -6
Rankings is one thing but which team is actually better is quite another. Rankings are based on wins/losses, history, and politics. Is USD the 33rd best team in FCS? Heck no, we'd probably paste half the teams in front of us. Seriously, look who is "ranked" ahead of USD. Grambling? Fordham? Lehigh? I remember when a highly touted and ranked Colgate team came to the Dome and an average-to-bad USD squad beat them up and handed them their only loss on the year.
Truth is the MVFC is a beast of a conference that beats up on each other. Put USD in any other conference and we're probably ranked in at least the top 15, an expected playoff team, and would suffer 2 maybe 3 losses tops on the season. For an example see UND in 2016 and now #11 UND in 2017.
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Post by dave on Aug 9, 2017 11:45:47 GMT -6
I don't understand how South Dakota State can be ranked as high as #4 in the country in any poll when they have never actually made it to the final four when it counts in the post season. They nearly lost to Villanova at home in the playoffs and got pasted by NDSU. I really don't understand that reasoning ranking them so high when they have proven time and time again when the going gets tough in the playoffs they don't come through. At least NDSU, Youngstown, Illinois State etc have made deep runs further then anything SDSU has ever done. I am not standing up for USD as they have virtually done nothing themselves but they also have not been over rated in any pre-season poll either. We don't advance in the playoffs because we are always sent to NDSU in the early rounds. |
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Post by Yotes on Aug 9, 2017 11:58:32 GMT -6
I don't understand how South Dakota State can be ranked as high as #4 in the country in any poll when they have never actually made it to the final four when it counts in the post season. They nearly lost to Villanova at home in the playoffs and got pasted by NDSU. I really don't understand that reasoning ranking them so high when they have proven time and time again when the going gets tough in the playoffs they don't come through. At least NDSU, Youngstown, Illinois State etc have made deep runs further then anything SDSU has ever done. I am not standing up for USD as they have virtually done nothing themselves but they also have not been over rated in any pre-season poll either. We don't advance in the playoffs because we are always sent to NDSU in the early rounds. I said that same thing to a coworker today. Something about how the team wants to be a top 4 team this year, my rebuttal being they might finally be able to avoid Fargo and advance in the playoffs then. |
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Post by Yotes on Aug 9, 2017 12:06:29 GMT -6
Rankings is one thing but which team is actually better is quite another. Rankings are based on wins/losses, history, and politics. Is USD the 33rd best team in FCS? Heck no, we'd probably paste half the teams in front of us. Seriously, look who is "ranked" ahead of USD. Grambling? Fordham? Lehigh? I remember when a highly touted and ranked Colgate team came to the Dome and an average-to-bad USD squad beat them up and handed them their only loss on the year. Truth is the MVFC is a beast of a conference that beats up on each other. Put USD in any other conference and we're probably ranked in at least the top 15, an expected playoff team, and would suffer 2 maybe 3 losses tops on the season. For an example see UND in 2016 and now #11 UND in 2017. You aren't remembering this entirely right. The 31-21 victory was USD's only win on the year, and Colgate did sweep their conference, but finished with a record of 8-4. I think the playoff committee recognized the weakness of the Patriot League and didn't even give Lehigh (finished 10-1) a playoff spot. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 9, 2017 12:15:56 GMT -6
Rankings is one thing but which team is actually better is quite another. Rankings are based on wins/losses, history, and politics. Is USD the 33rd best team in FCS? Heck no, we'd probably paste half the teams in front of us. Seriously, look who is "ranked" ahead of USD. Grambling? Fordham? Lehigh? I remember when a highly touted and ranked Colgate team came to the Dome and an average-to-bad USD squad beat them up and handed them their only loss on the year. Truth is the MVFC is a beast of a conference that beats up on each other. Put USD in any other conference and we're probably ranked in at least the top 15, an expected playoff team, and would suffer 2 maybe 3 losses tops on the season. For an example see UND in 2016 and now #11 UND in 2017. You aren't remembering this entirely right. The 31-21 victory was USD's only win on the year, and Colgate did sweep their conference, but finished with a record of 8-4. I think the playoff committee recognized the weakness of the Patriot League and didn't even give Lehigh (finished 10-1) a playoff spot. We had one win that year? That explains it. Too much post game tailgating trying to forget what I just saw in the Dome. |
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Post by Yotes on Aug 9, 2017 14:18:50 GMT -6
You aren't remembering this entirely right. The 31-21 victory was USD's only win on the year, and Colgate did sweep their conference, but finished with a record of 8-4. I think the playoff committee recognized the weakness of the Patriot League and didn't even give Lehigh (finished 10-1) a playoff spot. We had one win that year? That explains it. Too much post game tailgating trying to forget what I just saw in the Dome. Amen to that. The point stands though, absolute worst team in MVFC beats a team that swept their conference. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 9, 2017 16:17:49 GMT -6
We don't advance in the playoffs because we are always sent to NDSU in the early rounds. I said that same thing to a coworker today. Something about how the team wants to be a top 4 team this year, my rebuttal being they might finally be able to avoid Fargo and advance in the playoffs then. Playing the Bison is only part of their problem. One of the reasons that the Jacks tend to be over-rated is that they drop 1 or 2 games a year that they should win such as home against Cal Poly or at Western Illinois. Playoff teams have those things happen but serious title contenders don't allow that to happen. Those kinds of games can't happen if a team deserves a ranking of top 8 in the nation. NDSU doesn't do that and because of it they end up at home for the playoffs. The Jacks by stumbling during the regular reason make their own path tougher then it could be. The Villanova home game is a perfect example of a team that really doesn't have a very good home field advantage and nearly lost that game. The Jacks got pasted by the Bison which in turn got beat on their home field by James Madison. Their last second win in the regular season in Fargo means very little when the playoff game ends up being a totally different story. The Jacks were unlikely to go on the road and beat a team like James Madison or similar and have to win about 2 of those types of games to make the championship. As nice as the Jacks new stadium is it is not a great home field advantage especially when the weather gets colder and the attendance drops. The Coyotes on the other hand have a nice home field advantage if they can ever be good enough to take advantage of it. 7,000 in the Dakotadome is going to seem more daunting then 12,000 in an outdoor stadium. The Jacks have not been good enough whether during the regular season or post season to be able to have that crucial type test with the Sam Houston's, Jacksonville State's or Eastern Washington's of the world. Those are the types of teams that the Jacks would have to beat and the types of teams that they haven't been good enough to get to a matchup against. That is why I believe that Jacks have traditionally been a bit over rated and at a ranking as high as #4 in the country is a bit undeserving based on their recent history. |
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Post by elcoyote on Aug 9, 2017 18:14:34 GMT -6
I think the jacks would probably handle JSU or SHSU if they got the chance to play them. I also think we'd have a good shot against them too as would most teams in the MVFC. Many of those teams are somewhat paper tigers in that the schedules they play really don't test them at all except for one or two games. They're simply not the week in week out slugfests that the MVFC provides. This bunch is just an entire different animal. Have an off day in this conference and you're beat. As much as we've struggled in the MVFC in the past, and I do think we're slowly but surely climbing the ladder, put us into many of those other conferences and we'd probably would have been a playoff team by now. Look at what we've done non conference over the past few years, regularly beating playoff teams from other conferences. I do agree the new stadium in Brookings probably isn't the best suited for their current style of play. I would think more of a ground and pound attack instead of the aerial acrobatics would be more suitable in November on the northern plain. But you never know, there can be some very nice days that late in the fall too.
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Post by YoKid on Aug 9, 2017 20:29:33 GMT -6
I saw SDSU play 2 games- TCU & Cal Poly...
Very impressive versus TCU; they were in the game until the 4th quarter... However, against Cal Poly not so much; the score was close, but the game really wasn't... With that said, I don't think it's too far fetched to rank them 4th; they appear to be a top2 MVFC team.
USD has to prove they belong, maybe this is the year, but until then I'll pass on the should-of/could-of/would-of...
Note: Villanova was not a bad team, they lost to JMU 20-7 and made the playoffs as did Cal Poly. SHSU has a solid program and are located in a hot recruiting area (Houston/DFW). They got smashed by JMU, but that was their only loss...
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