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Post by kiyoat on Oct 17, 2017 9:37:22 GMT -6
I'm hearing this from most of my friends and co-workers that are Jacks fans. Looks like there is a lot of discussion on this over at the Jacks board, too.
I guess I understand the angst, but not the lack of patience. I mean, hasn't he earned a down year? I think the Jacks football consistency over the last 6 or 7 years has been pretty rare in football. Sure, when you compare it to the Bisons' string of conference and national titles, it doesn't look as good, but to me firing Stieg would be short-sighted.
Thoughts?
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Oct 17, 2017 9:48:11 GMT -6
Very short sighted. There is still a lot of season left and they could run the table. Jacks fanatics have always been like this. They will hype up their team to the fullest and if things go slightly awry they are the first to call for the chopping block. There are plenty of level headed fans, but they aren't typically as vocal. Stig has been there for ages and now they want to axe him mid season. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but it's humorous to watch.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Oct 17, 2017 9:50:12 GMT -6
Agreed. I get the frustration, but you have to also look at what they currently have and what they might risk losing. We know what it is like to be in the dumpster, it isn't fun. It is an overreaction to me. They have lost to YSU, a likely top 10 or better team, and UNI, a team that is ALWAYS capable of knocking off anybody; a team with talent that seems to be lacking in sound coaching at times. UNI always gets better as the year rolls on. UNI is a team that I am NOT looking forward to playing in a couple weeks - just before we take on NDSU and SDSU.
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Post by kiyoat on Oct 17, 2017 10:25:10 GMT -6
Another thing to consider is stability with recruiting and system. Coaches have to foster those relationships with area high schools and AAU clubs, and having an identity is easier to recruit to.
As much as I am blown away by our staff's ability to install a new system here, get talent in, and coach up what we had... I am still envious of the area programs with long-established coaches like Stieg, AJ, and NDSU football (the system). They have much more clout in recruiting South Dakota and this local region because of stability.
Hopefully we can hang onto our hot coaches in FB MBB and WBB, but sooner or later they might get picked off like Amy W. Having a Coach like Stieg that is successful and long-tenured is rare in today's climate. Be careful what you wish for....
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Post by yote14 on Oct 17, 2017 11:17:46 GMT -6
They were good because Stieglemier has been there since 1846 and that stability got them through the transition successfully. Now they want to dog him?
In all honesty when I heard they were playing so many true freshman this year I thought A)They are going to have some struggles. A coaching staff that has been there as long as they have should have way more depth built up. B) Stig is all in this year knowing it's his last year regardless of what happens and he wanted to try and win a natty before retiring knowing they lose almost all of their talent to graduation this year and next year will be tough sledding no matter what.
My opinion is B.
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 17, 2017 11:51:44 GMT -6
Funny. I brought up them pulling all those redshirts, called them out for lack of depth, said they were overhyped and set to fail this season, and was summarily dismissed and shouted down over on AGS. And I have been proven correct so far.
My opinion is A. Stig has been there forever, no reason they should have depth issues to the point of pulling so many redshirts.
As to firing Stig, I think it is a bad idea. Stig will consistently put together a team that will be in the top half of the conference. Problem is that is the max, he's topped out, he'll never deliver the level of success the Bison have had. What's driving SDSU fans to talking like this is always playing second fiddle to the Bison, which had been acceptable to them thus far, but now they are seeing the Coyotes surging and looking like a national championship contending team. That was supposed to be the Jacks this season not the Coyotes. Oh the insanity! Instead they are floundering this season and future prospects don't look good due to what they will be losing. Time to make a reactionary decision. What could go wrong?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 17, 2017 12:05:29 GMT -6
When I called for heads to roll I took 10 times the grief for 1/10th the coach that Stig is. It's called expectations and they are tired of 7-4 or 8-3 seasons. I was given grief for being tired of 4-7 or 3-8 seasons. I hope as a fan base we can raise our expectations now that we have seen success in the major sports. I look at Stig much as I looked at Boots. Both were solid coaches but sometimes it is just time for a change or a new direction for the program. I can see it either way in Brookings whatever ends up happening after this year.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 17, 2017 12:07:10 GMT -6
They basically have to ride him out to retirement. You can't fire an alum with 30 years of service who consistently fields a playoff team. It will be a mess if they fire him, and that pleases me since he clearly isn't going to get any better.
This might not even be a discussion amongst those fans if the Yotes weren't suddenly looking like national contenders.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 17, 2017 12:09:42 GMT -6
Agreed. I get the frustration, but you have to also look at what they currently have and what they might risk losing. We know what it is like to be in the dumpster, it isn't fun. It is an overreaction to me. They have lost to YSU, a likely top 10 or better team, and UNI, a team that is ALWAYS capable of knocking off anybody; a team with talent that seems to be lacking in sound coaching at times. UNI always gets better as the year rolls on. UNI is a team that I am NOT looking forward to playing in a couple weeks - just before we take on NDSU and SDSU. The Coyotes can say the same thing about what they would risk losing. There were very few people that saw the need for a change in Glenn's 3rd or 4th year. Now that we have seen what risk can do I don't think we would go back to the safe and mediocre path again. There is no way under the last regime that the Coyotes would have even approached what they are doing now if they had stayed in place with all the coaches etc. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 17, 2017 12:23:29 GMT -6
They basically have to ride him out to retirement. You can't fire an alum with 30 years of service who consistently fields a playoff team. It will be a mess if they fire him, and that pleases me since he clearly isn't going to get any better. This might not even be a discussion amongst those fans if the Yotes weren't suddenly looking like national contenders. ^^^ All of this. Every single bit of it. |
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Post by usdtator on Oct 17, 2017 12:43:00 GMT -6
Stieg's coaching staff meeting on Monday...   |
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Post by azsod73 on Oct 17, 2017 14:09:43 GMT -6
Stigs 'bout right.
The annual (almost) argument over on the bunnie board whether to fire or keep him, reminds me of our old small town cop. People used to say if he were any better some bigger town would have hired him away and if he were any worse we would have fired him so he must be 'bout right.
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