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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 22, 2011 10:09:06 GMT -6
With the state budget the way it is and the U facing cuts that will result in far greater hardships than an adequate Cover 2 I don't think we'll be able to afford the kind of coaches that will make you folks happy. They're trying to do the best they can with the resources they have available. So we can either rally around our team and support them or we can choose not to. How do you know what resources are available, isn't the Morrell salary going to be used for the current D-Coordinator position(s). At least now we have a built in excuse when things don't go so well this season, NOT. Who knows if the budget cuts even effect the football program. The way it's going the athletic department is likely to be fully independant of state support anyway.
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Post by pierreyote on Feb 22, 2011 10:21:29 GMT -6
I just want to see some continuity in the D-coordinator position
2006- Glo 2007-Dodson 2008-Dodson 2009-Ed 2010-Morrel 2011-co coordinators.
Somewhat of a revolving door and hard to establish an identity with all the changes.
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 22, 2011 13:00:12 GMT -6
Continuity is hard to have when your coordinators are in demand. This is life at the FCS level. Glo, Dodson, and Morrel all left for jobs that advanced their careers. You can't help that.
I am not so concerned about having an experienced D coordinator. Good coaches are good coaches. Dodson didn't have "experience" but I think he did a heck of a job. I am more concerned about the co-coordinator arrangement. It did not work out very well years ago when we had a similar arrangement on the defensive side of the ball in the Rankin Era. I would rather have Ed decide on one guy to take the job, whoever it is.
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Post by coyotebiz on Feb 22, 2011 13:52:14 GMT -6
I will no doubt always be supportive of USD, their players and coaches. I just wonder how much actual effort was put forth to find a DC that had some experience in IAA or at least experience running a defense (any level). The players and other coaches deserve that their leader try and find the best available, I don't think that happened. Okay, I'm done now.
So what kind of changes can we expect to see next year with these two guys running the show? I am very very interested to see how the defense looks during the spring.
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Post by yoteforever on Feb 23, 2011 10:33:58 GMT -6
I will no doubt always be supportive of USD, their players and coaches. I just wonder how much actual effort was put forth to find a DC that had some experience in IAA or at least experience running a defense (any level). The players and other coaches deserve that their leader try and find the best available, I don't think that happened. Okay, I'm done now. So what kind of changes can we expect to see next year with these two guys running the show? I am very very interested to see how the defense looks during the spring. The harsh reality of this whole thing is the financing. We could have hired a D-Coordinator with FCS and FBS experience, it's just we don't have the funds and our coaches hands are tied. The hiring of the secondary coach from NDSU is big in the sense that he has coached at a school where funds are more flush, and has an inkling how things should be run. In addition, he has coached against Eastern Washington and all the MVC schools and brings with him a wealth of experience in that regard. I don't think our staff is making excuses, I truly believe that we are just that limited in funds to get the kind of staff we need to comepete. If I am right, then I think it is fair to say Ed has done a damned good job of being competitive. Maybe there is somewhere to look at public records, but my guess is we don't have an assistant coach making $50K/year. If that's the case, then something has to be done to change that.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 23, 2011 11:14:51 GMT -6
I will no doubt always be supportive of USD, their players and coaches. I just wonder how much actual effort was put forth to find a DC that had some experience in IAA or at least experience running a defense (any level). The players and other coaches deserve that their leader try and find the best available, I don't think that happened. Okay, I'm done now. So what kind of changes can we expect to see next year with these two guys running the show? I am very very interested to see how the defense looks during the spring. The harsh reality of this whole thing is the financing. We could have hired a D-Coordinator with FCS and FBS experience, it's just we don't have the funds and our coaches hands are tied. The hiring of the secondary coach from NDSU is big in the sense that he has coached at a school where funds are more flush, and has an inkling how things should be run. In addition, he has coached against Eastern Washington and all the MVC schools and brings with him a wealth of experience in that regard. I don't think our staff is making excuses, I truly believe that we are just that limited in funds to get the kind of staff we need to comepete. If I am right, then I think it is fair to say Ed has done a damned good job of being competitive. Maybe there is somewhere to look at public records, but my guess is we don't have an assistant coach making $50K/year. If that's the case, then something has to be done to change that. I would like to know what they did with the salary they were giving Morrell? Couldn't they have at least found someone for that type of money. In D2 there did not seem to be a problem paying coaches, but apparently now we can no longer afford it. I would say getting the funds in place for a respectable D-Coordinator would be a vital aspect in having a successfull football program. As far as Ed, we just simply disagree and we know that. I don't deny that USD can be competitive in games but it really comes down to wins and losses and comes down to improvement through the transition which against FCS competition we have not really seen. USD has shown that they can play up to an opponent from time to time but the Yotes have not proven that they can get through a difficult schedule and bring their "A" game the majority of the time. We are far enough through this process that we should be getting more than we have been. Last year was the telling year IMO. The year where things have to start being judged more than just staying in games against FCS clubs.
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Post by Yote 53 on Feb 23, 2011 11:52:21 GMT -6
Posted this in recent news articles but figured it would get more exposure here. www.volanteonline.com/sports/guarantees-help-football-team-financially-1.2477939It is just frustrating when the journalists at the school newspaper don't do simple research for an article. In the article "Guarantess help football team..." the reporter makes a couple of mistakes. First saying that USD received money for a guarantee game against Florida last year, it was Central Florida. Second, that USD will be competing in the Missouri Valley Conference against schools like SDSU, UNI, and Wichita State. Wichita State? they don't even have a football program. I know, not that big of deal. But these are simple mistakes that should not come out of the Al Neuharth Media Center. If sports reporters don't even know what is going on then how can we expect the general student population. I won't even go into the theme of this story is that the football program is flush with money. We've got a two page thread on this site about how money is so tight we can't afford to pay our coaches competitive salaries. Geez, which is it? Well, I know the answer. The football team is signing these money games in order to prop up the rest of the athletic dept, specifically, funding women's athletics. But let's not put something that controversial in print.
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Post by pierreyote on Feb 23, 2011 12:54:06 GMT -6
The harsh reality of this whole thing is the financing. We could have hired a D-Coordinator with FCS and FBS experience, it's just we don't have the funds and our coaches hands are tied. The hiring of the secondary coach from NDSU is big in the sense that he has coached at a school where funds are more flush, and has an inkling how things should be run. In addition, he has coached against Eastern Washington and all the MVC schools and brings with him a wealth of experience in that regard. I don't think our staff is making excuses, I truly believe that we are just that limited in funds to get the kind of staff we need to comepete. If I am right, then I think it is fair to say Ed has done a damned good job of being competitive. Maybe there is somewhere to look at public records, but my guess is we don't have an assistant coach making $50K/year. If that's the case, then something has to be done to change that. I would like to know what they did with the salary they were giving Morrell? Couldn't they have at least found someone for that type of money. In D2 there did not seem to be a problem paying coaches, but apparently now we can no longer afford it. I would say getting the funds in place for a respectable D-Coordinator would be a vital aspect in having a successfull football program. As far as Ed, we just simply disagree and we know that. I don't deny that USD can be competitive in games but it really comes down to wins and losses and comes down to improvement through the transition which against FCS competition we have not really seen. USD has shown that they can play up to an opponent from time to time but the Yotes have not proven that they can get through a difficult schedule and bring their "A" game the majority of the time. We are far enough through this process that we should be getting more than we have been. Last year was the telling year IMO. The year where things have to start being judged more than just staying in games against FCS clubs. I am not for certain CF but I believe from reading the article it appears they decided the coach from NDSU was too good to pass up. His salary along with some small bumps for the co coordinators probably took all of Morrell's previous salary.
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Post by coyotebiz on Feb 23, 2011 13:23:28 GMT -6
If funds are indeed the issue, I can accept that. I would rather have more money for increasing the number scholarships than paying coaches at this point in the transition, although that probably isn't the same money bucket.
Congrats to both of these guys, I am sure they are thrilled with the opportunity.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 23, 2011 14:27:25 GMT -6
I believe that getting a full coaching staff on board is worth trading in a few scholarships if that were the choice. Getting a solid D Coordinator is also more important than replacing seats in the Dakotadome but I am probably one of the only ones that thinks that way. I am 100% on board with wanting to see a winning product on the field first and foremost and the money should be allocated to that first and foremost. I absolutely hate excuses and if this is used as an excuse if we have a down year I am going to be livid. USD's defense has been such a weak point and now this.
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Post by jman1985 on Feb 23, 2011 22:37:04 GMT -6
First post to the board. Yay.
I agree with an earlier post about a need for continuity in that position. Think about it from a player's perspective — having to go through a new coach every year. Defense took a step up in 2010, but on some level, changes still need to made.
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Post by YoyoYotes on Feb 23, 2011 23:01:56 GMT -6
I do know the athletic department was in contact with at least two candidates that would have been willing to take the job at a reduction in pay just for the opportunity to help bring the program into the MVC. One of these in particular, both played and coached in the MVC at one point...earning at least two championships with the conference. Additionally, this coach had pro experience, coordinator experience, and connections with recruiting the southeast, especially Florida. It kills me that an article comes out stating that it is imperative for the program to recruit these areas to be successful, but then turns away direct connections to those regions. With the way the coaching business is going, coaches, especially experienced coaches, are wanting to take advantage of situations like this one. But too many times they are being passed over for younger, cheaper coaches. Think about it...it was pretty much three for one. I am sorry to say that this will be another year of treading water when it comes to the defense. I'm sure we will make plays, statistics says so, but we won't have anything outstanding. And once again we will find ourselves desperate for leadership on the defense...and possible in the top spot, too. I'm afraid small program mentality will cause our program to be lackluster when we move into the yard with the big dogs...
...but I hope I'm proven wrong.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 23, 2011 23:39:03 GMT -6
Yoyo Yotes,
Good post. Oh please don't tell me the Yotes passed on something bigger and better because of some wierd kind of a loyalty thing regardless of experience and upside. This makes me want to throw up in my mouth if USD is passing up something that would be good for the program in exhange for the loyalty factor when the long term result would be better going outside. I find Ed to be loyal, often times to a fault. I think he is stubborn and has trouble expanding his horizons in the coaching field.
Small town mentality will kill USD and I agree the Missouri Valley will be the kind of meat grinder this program isn't ready for. It's not the occassional big home game against North Iowa that will be our shortfall. The Yotes can play well for the short term. It's having 8 Missouri Valley Conference games to get through in 9 weeks that will be what this program does not yet have the mentality to get through.
I really feel as if this year is a lost opportunity and has the possibility to set us back at least 2 or 3 years. This year is kind of a preperation year, the kind of a year where a new staff would have been timed almost perfectly. They would have been able to put their mark on the team for a year before being able to hit the ground running in the MVFC.
This is what is scaring me right now. For all the world I want this program to succeed. I want a deep playoff run and with the proper pieces USD is capable of having success.
This is my worst fear. USD goes 5-6 or 4-7 this year. In the off season analysis Ed can go to Sayler and tell him that he didn't have the money to get a true D-Coordinator and whatever other financial excuse could be used. Sayler will buy it and the funding will allow for a D-Coordinator next off season. The same basic cycle will be used and everyone will be saying that the program is on the verge of turning the corner. In 2012 the Yotes will get swallowed up in the Missouri Valley and by then who knows what happens but the point is, we could have been two years ahead of the curve if we would have acted NOW, instead of down the road.
Yoyo what you just said if true needs to be heard but gives me a sinking feeling in the gut and makes me think even more that we need to blow this whole thing up and start from scratch with a fresh start. If Ed had anything to do with preventing those aspiring coaching from coming here you can count that as a major strike against his ability to lead a D1 football program.
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Post by pierreyote on Feb 24, 2011 10:20:37 GMT -6
No one said moving up would be easy. Historically the U typically has a smaller budget for athletics than XDSU and UND. There are various reasons for this and I believe things will/can change. We have to make do with the funds we have. I am sure every coach on campus, including Ed, would like to add, attract and retain coaches. I think he is doing fine with the situation. With that said I still expect the U to compete and win in the Summit/MVFC and I will not accept excuses for the lack thereof.
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Post by fomeryote on Feb 24, 2011 11:26:04 GMT -6
Having played in the Rankin era and experienced an informal co-defensive coordinator arrangement, I can share that it comes with its share of difficulties. Under this arrangement one coach was responsible for calling the front and the other the coverage. Unfortunately all of the fronts don’t correspond with certain coverages and when trying to mesh these two components play calls are rushed, or entirely wrong. Defensive plays are called based on offensive personnel groups and when last minute substitutions are made by the offense the defense has to respond accordingly – Now you have two coaches that need to respond accordingly meshing a front with coverage… It ultimately leads to last second calls, adjustments and out of position players.
I am supportive of the Yotes, but hope that the new “Co-Defensive Coordinator” arrangement isn’t the same type of model of the late 90’s.
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