Bob Nielson 200 Wins

[coyotecrazie5]

Great video on coach, congrats!!!

[thebacksackdad]

Bob's a complete class man, and all in the program as well, as it all starts at the top!

[obc]

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How have we done under Bob Nielson so far? I am a huge fan of Bob and think he is the right coach for the job. He is obviously facing some major challenges. Below are the numbers, I am curious what everyone thinks about them:

MVFC record: 2-3 this season (40%), 9-12 overall (42.9%) - the program is 15-38 since joining the league under both HCs (28.3%)

Bob's Yotes have 15 wins and 17 losses overall (46.8%)
The teams that Bob's Yotes have beaten have a combined record of 68-94. (41.9%) Those opponents averaged 4.53 wins and 6.26 losses. Avg margin of victory for USD was 17.6 with an average score of 40.73 to 23.13

The teams Bob's Yotes have lost to have a combined record of 136-61 (69%) Those opponents have averaged 8 wins and 3.58 losses. Avg margin of loss for USD was -13.17 with an average score of 24.47 to 37.64

Bob's Yotes have 9 MVFC wins and 12 MVFC losses so far (42.9%) USD has averaged 3 MVFC wins a year so far and 4 losses - (obviously we don't have full year data yet).
The MVFC teams Bob's Yotes have beaten have a combined MVFC record of 24-42 (36.4%) Those opponents averaged 2.66 MVFC wins and 4.66 losses. Avg margin of victory for USD was 13.66 with an average score of 35.66 to 22.
The MVFC teams Bob's Yotes have lost to have a combined MVFC record of 58-29 (66.7%) Those opponents averaged 4.83 MVFC wins and 2.41 losses. Avg margin of loss for USD was -13.5 with an average score of 22.91 to 36.41

Since USD had their trouble last season with three DBs getting kicked off the team USD has won 5 and lost 9 (35.7%) USD is 3-6 in the MVFC since then (33.3%)
USD beat SIU twice - they were 2-6 last year in the MVFC and are currently 1-4 in the MVFC.
USD beat Nichols St on the road - probably their best win after those suspensions.
USD beat No Colorado - they currently have a 2-7 record overall
USD beat Missouri St - they currently have a 2-3 conference record and just lost to SIU last week.

The post suspension and post Streveler era is proving challenging. Lots of rebuilding to do. I do believe USD is committed to investing the money and resources to make a winner. That cannot come fast enough.

[Yotes]

My current thoughts aren't exactly positive. The team seems to be getting worse every week and is looking about as bad as it ever has at the D1 level, the exception being that 2014 season (and possibly 2012). This coming in year 3 of a staff that inherited a 5-6 team. The players don't seem to care about playing at all. I'd put that squarely on the staff and have to ask how they are ever going to fix that. Bob built a winner at WIU, and had a good season with Streveler at the helm, but I'm starting to wonder if he has peaked here.

[sportschic]

Oct 28, 2018 9:03:50 GMT -6 obc said:

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How have we done under Bob Nielson so far? I am a huge fan of Bob and think he is the right coach for the job. He is obviously facing some major challenges. Below are the numbers, I am curious what everyone thinks about them:

MVFC record: 2-3 this season (40%), 9-12 overall (42.9%) - the program is 15-38 since joining the league under both HCs (28.3%)

Bob's Yotes have 15 wins and 17 losses overall (46.8%)
The teams that Bob's Yotes have beaten have a combined record of 68-94. (41.9%) Those opponents averaged 4.53 wins and 6.26 losses. Avg margin of victory for USD was 17.6 with an average score of 40.73 to 23.13

The teams Bob's Yotes have lost to have a combined record of 136-61 (69%) Those opponents have averaged 8 wins and 3.58 losses. Avg margin of loss for USD was -13.17 with an average score of 24.47 to 37.64

Bob's Yotes have 9 MVFC wins and 12 MVFC losses so far (42.9%) USD has averaged 3 MVFC wins a year so far and 4 losses - (obviously we don't have full year data yet).
The MVFC teams Bob's Yotes have beaten have a combined MVFC record of 24-42 (36.4%) Those opponents averaged 2.66 MVFC wins and 4.66 losses. Avg margin of victory for USD was 13.66 with an average score of 35.66 to 22.
The MVFC teams Bob's Yotes have lost to have a combined MVFC record of 58-29 (66.7%) Those opponents averaged 4.83 MVFC wins and 2.41 losses. Avg margin of loss for USD was -13.5 with an average score of 22.91 to 36.41

Since USD had their trouble last season with three DBs getting kicked off the team USD has won 5 and lost 9 (35.7%) USD is 3-6 in the MVFC since then (33.3%)
USD beat SIU twice - they were 2-6 last year in the MVFC and are currently 1-4 in the MVFC.
USD beat Nichols St on the road - probably their best win after those suspensions.
USD beat No Colorado - they currently have a 2-7 record overall
USD beat Missouri St - they currently have a 2-3 conference record and just lost to SIU last week.

The post suspension and post Streveler era is proving challenging. Lots of rebuilding to do. I do believe USD is committed to investing the money and resources to make a winner. That cannot come fast enough.

OBC there are a lot bigger and more challenges here than the suspensions and Strevy. There weren’t any suspensions on the first and second levels and as a matter of fact most of them were starters last year. If you don’t get any pressure on a QB and have predictable offense ... you can have an Allstar defense if they are on the field as much as our defense is and the opposing QB has all day to throw...well you know. Your a stat guy look up how many minutes the defense is on the field as opposed to the offense... I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Oh wait and your freesafety is your leading tackler the last 2 games and top 2 the games prior. We beat a very good Nichols team last year and almost came back to beat even a better team with a majority of starters in that game starting this year. I would have to say there are way bigger problems that the stats don’t identify. This team lacks leadership, swagger and confidence. There is not one organization, business, team Etc in this world that can be successful without a leader. You can have the most talented, smartest, subordinates and with no leadership will crumble. No leadership, no culture, no success!

[obc]

Coach Bob's Yotes best wins based on how the opponent finished the year

2017 Western Illinois 38-33 on the road - WIU was 8-4 overall and 5-3 in the MVFC
2017 Nicholls St 38-31 on the road in the playoffs. They were 8-4 overall
2016 Weber St 52-49 in 2OT at home. Weber St was 7-5 overall
*** 2017 Drake 77-7 on the road - Drake was 7-4 overall - they are non-scholarship so I do not count this as a top win
2016 ILL St 27-24 at home - they were 6-6 overall and 4-4 in the MVFC
2017 YSU 31-28 at home - they were 6-5 overall and 4-4 in the MVFC
*** 2017 Bowling Green 35-27 on the road - Bowling Green finished 2-10 - I count this as one of the best wins because they are BCS

Coach Bob's Yotes worst losses based on how the opponent finished the year

2018 YSU 17-29 on the road - YSU is currently 3-5 and 2-3 in the MVFC with a loss at home to non-scholarship Butler
*** 2018 Kansas St 24-27 on the road - Kansas State is currently 3-5 - I do not consider this one of the worst losses since they are Power5 BCS
2018 UNI 28-42 at home - UNI is currently 4-4 overall and 3-2 in the MVFC - this remains to be seen - I think UNI is a solid team and this is not one of the worst losses
2016 SIU 28-35 on the road - SIU finished 4-7 overall and 2-6 in the MVFC

From a subjective perspective I think USD's best performances came against 2017 Bowling Green, 2017 YSU, and 2017 Nicholls St.
I think our worst performances were against 2016 New Mexico (new team that could not stop the option - even a little bit), 2018 NDSU (steamrolled), 2018 UNI (turnovers and sloppy play), 2017 ILL St (just beat the hell out of us), 2018 Weber St (team got completely man-handled), and 2018 YSU (USD didn't show up to play and really only showed fire in the third quarter).
Most heart-wrenching losses were 2016 WIU (USD fumble at the goal line about to score and put the game away. WIU ends up scoring and wining 34-35), 2017 SDSU at home 28-31. 2017 UNI on the road- fell apart at the end of the game with turnovers after a big lead. 2016 UND on the road - huge lead at half and completely melted down to lose in OT.

[gopheryote]

Geez - seriously? A quick glance at history will show this is probably expected (and likely explain the leadership void). Here is one google search with FBS (where they usually schedule 3 wins):
Heisman-winning QBs have averaged a win percentage of 86.9 in their final season with their respective teams since 2000. The year after Heisman winners leave, those teams have an average win percentage of 68.8. The difference is an average of 11.5 wins compared to 8.8

[obc]

I would certainly expect a void to be created by losing a player of Streveler's quality. Right now - I think this team is much more talented than the 2015 Yotes (the year before Streveler), but will likely not have a better record. The season gets to play out obviously and I am hoping they run the table and get to 6-5 - finishing the year with a win up in Brookings. That 2015 team took some beat-downs for sure, but also finished 3-5 in the MVFC and beat NDSU on the road. The 2018 Yotes to date have also had a few clunkers and beat-downs (Weber St, YSU, UNI, NDSU). They had an almost win at a Power 5 school, a sloppy win against a terrible Northern Colorado team, and its best win against another bottom half MVFC team in Missouri State (They are a solid FCS team just bottom-half MVFC). The other win was a road win at another bottom MVFC team in SIU. A road win in this conference is big no matter which team, but the fact is they are near the bottom of the conference.

For the record, I think Nielson can and will get it right. We are just unfortunately performing like we are further off from being a top-half MVFC team than I would have guessed coming into the year. I had hoped that while Streveler was here the rest of the team would progress around him more, so that when he left the incremental improvement at all the other positions would help the team hold on better than they have. Hope the team wins out. They have the talent - but they have had the talent all year. Leaders need to step forward now.

[easmus]

That’s my biggest concern is the lack of development from last year to this year. When you played lots of young guys last year, they should be better this year. That hasn’t happened at a lot of positions. Not sure if that is a function of all the coaching changes or something else.

[yoteforever]

Oct 28, 2018 11:37:26 GMT -6 sportschic said:

Oct 28, 2018 9:03:50 GMT -6 obc said:

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How have we done under Bob Nielson so far? I am a huge fan of Bob and think he is the right coach for the job. He is obviously facing some major challenges. Below are the numbers, I am curious what everyone thinks about them:

MVFC record: 2-3 this season (40%), 9-12 overall (42.9%) - the program is 15-38 since joining the league under both HCs (28.3%)

Bob's Yotes have 15 wins and 17 losses overall (46.8%)
The teams that Bob's Yotes have beaten have a combined record of 68-94. (41.9%) Those opponents averaged 4.53 wins and 6.26 losses. Avg margin of victory for USD was 17.6 with an average score of 40.73 to 23.13

The teams Bob's Yotes have lost to have a combined record of 136-61 (69%) Those opponents have averaged 8 wins and 3.58 losses. Avg margin of loss for USD was -13.17 with an average score of 24.47 to 37.64

Bob's Yotes have 9 MVFC wins and 12 MVFC losses so far (42.9%) USD has averaged 3 MVFC wins a year so far and 4 losses - (obviously we don't have full year data yet).
The MVFC teams Bob's Yotes have beaten have a combined MVFC record of 24-42 (36.4%) Those opponents averaged 2.66 MVFC wins and 4.66 losses. Avg margin of victory for USD was 13.66 with an average score of 35.66 to 22.
The MVFC teams Bob's Yotes have lost to have a combined MVFC record of 58-29 (66.7%) Those opponents averaged 4.83 MVFC wins and 2.41 losses. Avg margin of loss for USD was -13.5 with an average score of 22.91 to 36.41

Since USD had their trouble last season with three DBs getting kicked off the team USD has won 5 and lost 9 (35.7%) USD is 3-6 in the MVFC since then (33.3%)
USD beat SIU twice - they were 2-6 last year in the MVFC and are currently 1-4 in the MVFC.
USD beat Nichols St on the road - probably their best win after those suspensions.
USD beat No Colorado - they currently have a 2-7 record overall
USD beat Missouri St - they currently have a 2-3 conference record and just lost to SIU last week.

The post suspension and post Streveler era is proving challenging. Lots of rebuilding to do. I do believe USD is committed to investing the money and resources to make a winner. That cannot come fast enough.

OBC there are a lot bigger and more challenges here than the suspensions and Strevy. There weren’t any suspensions on the first and second levels and as a matter of fact most of them were starters last year. If you don’t get any pressure on a QB and have predictable offense ... you can have an Allstar defense if they are on the field as much as our defense is and the opposing QB has all day to throw...well you know. Your a stat guy look up how many minutes the defense is on the field as opposed to the offense... I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Oh wait and your freesafety is your leading tackler the last 2 games and top 2 the games prior. We beat a very good Nichols team last year and almost came back to beat even a better team with a majority of starters in that game starting this year. I would have to say there are way bigger problems that the stats don’t identify. This team lacks leadership, swagger and confidence. There is not one organization, business, team Etc in this world that can be successful without a leader. You can have the most talented, smartest, subordinates and with no leadership will crumble. No leadership, no culture, no success!

This post by sportschic is 100% spot on. The Coyotes have completely lost their way. Lost their swagger and confidence. There is ZERO leadership going on in that locker room right now. Sportschic is correct when she says that there’s no entity out there, whether it’s a business, organization or team that can thrive, let alone survive, without leadership. That is what made Chris Streveler such a good player. He literally WILLED his teammates to rise above it all. There was no greater testimony to that leadership than the game against Sm Houston State when he literally put his team on his back and put them in a position to win despite being down nearly 30 points. He got in everyone’s face and personally challenged them to rise above it all. I was there and just feet from the sideline. I witnessed it personally. Now, that being said, it’s highly unlikely that there’s another Streveler on our team from a leadership perspective. But somewhere inside there have to be 2-3 individuals that collectively can turn this thing around. If not, then we have giant issues not only this year, but into the future. I refuse to believe that’s the case.

This generation of young kids is 180 degrees opposite from my era ( dinosaur here ). They reflect the crap they see on TV where someone makes one stinking play and they showboat like they just won the Super Bowl. That crap drives me wild. I can’t stand it. But the truth is we have that issue as well. We’ve had numerous unsportsmanlike penalties earlier this year for that very thing. Honestly, it wants to make me puke. But here’s somethings that are not happening. When we make a play stopping someone from a first down, I don’t see that excitement collectively for making a play. I’m not talking about show boating, but rather the celebration excitement that comes from making a big play. I also don’t see a sideline where the non players are tuned into the game but rather they are joking around, dancing to the music or the loud speaker, etc. There just isn’t focus.

And I’ll close this post with this. It started last year with the suspension of those three players. That set us back big time. With them, we win the Sam Houston game and likely make the semis. That killed us. Not only did it kill us in 2017,but now we lost three key secondary players in one year. Then we have had the awful injury to Nathan Schultz, who’s a total home wrecker on the field. Not only a good player but has that nasty disposition that’s required to jack guys up. Then this past Saturday I noticed Kameron Cline didn’t play. I’m not sure what the issue is but now we are down another player. If he was withheld to something other than injury, then there’s another dumb thing that keeps piling on. Our secondary has to play soft due to inexperience, but if our D line doesn’t get pressure up front then they’ll get tore apart. Plus they’re tired. They are on the field a lot.

Offensively we know we have issues up front. It just isn’t happening. Austin also has not played well the past few games. He’s made some poor choices but my guess is that he’s well aware of that. I don’t know if you make a change for the sake of making a change or not, but I do know it’s poisonous for a parent to come on this board and say anything less than what’s needed to be said to be supportive. Again, a reflection of today’s me first society.

Someone posted in another thread that maybe Coach Nielson has peeked. That’s not even close to being right. I don’t care whether it’s a sports team or a business, but sometimes the best laid plans that look like they are foolproof just don’t happen. I thought 2018 was the year where we were competing for a title. That’s not the case, but I do believe that the pieces are in place for this Coach to take us to another level. Bobs a proven winner, and he has impeccable character. Simply put he does things the right way. Bob will win at USD. The package is there to make it happen. It just might take a little longer than we thought.

BUT DO NOT GIVE UP ON HIM OR HIS STAFF....AND DONT GIVE UP ON OUR PLAYERS

[usdtator]

Oct 29, 2018 7:29:37 GMT -6 yoteforever said:

Oct 28, 2018 11:37:26 GMT -6 sportschic said:

OBC there are a lot bigger and more challenges here than the suspensions and Strevy. There weren’t any suspensions on the first and second levels and as a matter of fact most of them were starters last year. If you don’t get any pressure on a QB and have predictable offense ... you can have an Allstar defense if they are on the field as much as our defense is and the opposing QB has all day to throw...well you know. Your a stat guy look up how many minutes the defense is on the field as opposed to the offense... I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Oh wait and your freesafety is your leading tackler the last 2 games and top 2 the games prior. We beat a very good Nichols team last year and almost came back to beat even a better team with a majority of starters in that game starting this year. I would have to say there are way bigger problems that the stats don’t identify. This team lacks leadership, swagger and confidence. There is not one organization, business, team Etc in this world that can be successful without a leader. You can have the most talented, smartest, subordinates and with no leadership will crumble. No leadership, no culture, no success!

This post by sportschic is 100% spot on. The Coyotes have completely lost their way. Lost their swagger and confidence. There is ZERO leadership going on in that locker room right now. Sportschic is correct when she says that there’s no entity out there, whether it’s a business, organization or team that can thrive, let alone survive, without leadership. That is what made Chris Streveler such a good player. He literally WILLED his teammates to rise above it all. There was no greater testimony to that leadership than the game against Sm Houston State when he literally put his team on his back and put them in a position to win despite being down nearly 30 points. He got in everyone’s face and personally challenged them to rise above it all. I was there and just feet from the sideline. I witnessed it personally. Now, that being said, it’s highly unlikely that there’s another Streveler on our team from a leadership perspective. But somewhere inside there have to be 2-3 individuals that collectively can turn this thing around. If not, then we have giant issues not only this year, but into the future. I refuse to believe that’s the case.

This generation of young kids is 180 degrees opposite from my era ( dinosaur here ). They reflect the crap they see on TV where someone makes one stinking play and they showboat like they just won the Super Bowl. That crap drives me wild. I can’t stand it. But the truth is we have that issue as well. We’ve had numerous unsportsmanlike penalties earlier this year for that very thing. Honestly, it wants to make me puke. But here’s somethings that are not happening. When we make a play stopping someone from a first down, I don’t see that excitement collectively for making a play. I’m not talking about show boating, but rather the celebration excitement that comes from making a big play. I also don’t see a sideline where the non players are tuned into the game but rather they are joking around, dancing to the music or the loud speaker, etc. There just isn’t focus.

And I’ll close this post with this. It started last year with the suspension of those three players. That set us back big time. With them, we win the Sam Houston game and likely make the semis. That killed us. Not only did it kill us in 2017,but now we lost three key secondary players in one year. Then we have had the awful injury to Nathan Schultz, who’s a total home wrecker on the field. Not only a good player but has that nasty disposition that’s required to jack guys up. Then this past Saturday I noticed Kameron Cline didn’t play. I’m not sure what the issue is but now we are down another player. If he was withheld to something other than injury, then there’s another dumb thing that keeps piling on. Our secondary has to play soft due to inexperience, but if our D line doesn’t get pressure up front then they’ll get tore apart. Plus they’re tired. They are on the field a lot.

Offensively we know we have issues up front. It just isn’t happening. Austin also has not played well the past few games. He’s made some poor choices but my guess is that he’s well aware of that. I don’t know if you make a change for the sake of making a change or not, but I do know it’s poisonous for a parent to come on this board and say anything less than what’s needed to be said to be supportive. Again, a reflection of today’s me first society.

Someone posted in another thread that maybe Coach Nielson has peeked. That’s not even close to being right. I don’t care whether it’s a sports team or a business, but sometimes the best laid plans that look like they are foolproof just don’t happen. I thought 2018 was the year where we were competing for a title. That’s not the case, but I do believe that the pieces are in place for this Coach to take us to another level. Bobs a proven winner, and he has impeccable character. Simply put he does things the right way. Bob will win at USD. The package is there to make it happen. It just might take a little longer than we thought.

BUT DO NOT GIVE UP ON HIM OR HIS STAFF....AND DONT GIVE UP ON OUR PLAYERS

Amen Brother Yoteforever!!! What he said...!

[Yotes]

I'm going to be devil's advocate here. It's stated the we have no leadership on the roster, doesn't that all come from the top? If the staff isn't breeding leadership that seems like a failure on their part. Especially following having such a natural in Streveler on the roster for them to use.

[yoteforever]

Yotes,
That’s a fair question to ask but let me present it to you in another way. Is it leadership from a players perspective if the coaching staff “makes” you try and lead? Leaders take it upon themselves to risk leaving a comfort zone they live in to encourage others around them to perform at levels they have yet to achieve. I guaranty you there are leaders in that locker room that are being silenced from the perceived threat of being alienated in some fashion.

A natural leader risks all to motivate and drive others to achieve a goal that currently isn’t attainable. That’s leading. There’s risks to leading, and that could be being left out, made fun of, or the changing of attitudes of what you perceived as friends no longer are.

Last weekend the ‘78 team that won the league title outright started the season 1-3. Players from that team held a “come to Jesus meeting” where there was a tremendous amount of things said. That meeting was called by players that emerged as leaders to call out all that was wrong, and challenged everyone in that room to make a choice. Stop the nonsense that was keeping them from winning or get the hell out. At first the numbers were small, but that number changed as players witnessed their own teammates and friends stand up and be held accountable.

I was told this morning by 3 different people that Simmons actually got in the face of a couple of guys not playing as they were jacking around during the game at a time when that’s the last damned thing they should be doing, and when he walked away, they mocked him and laughed at him. That’s cancer. And that’s the kind of crap that has to stop.

Long answer for your question Yotes, but there’s a time things have to happen not orchestrated by coaches.

[yoteforever]

Yotes,
That’s a fair question to ask but let me present it to you in another way. Is it leadership from a players perspective if the coaching staff “makes” you try and lead? Leaders take it upon themselves to risk leaving a comfort zone they live in to encourage others around them to perform at levels they have yet to achieve. I guaranty you there are leaders in that locker room that are being silenced from the perceived threat of being alienated in some fashion.

A natural leader risks all to motivate and drive others to achieve a goal that currently isn’t attainable. That’s leading. There’s risks to leading, and that could be being left out, made fun of, or the changing of attitudes of what you perceived as friends no longer are.

Last weekend the ‘78 team that won the league title outright started the season 1-3. Players from that team held a “come to Jesus meeting” where there was a tremendous amount of things said. That meeting was called by players that emerged as leaders to call out all that was wrong, and challenged everyone in that room to make a choice. Stop the nonsense that was keeping them from winning or get the hell out. At first the numbers were small, but that number changed as players witnessed their own teammates and friends stand up and be held accountable.

I was told this morning by 3 different people that Simmons actually got in the face of a couple of guys not playing as they were jacking around during the game at a time when that’s the last damned thing they should be doing, and when he walked away, they mocked him and laughed at him. That’s cancer. And that’s the kind of crap that has to stop.

Long answer for your question Yotes, but there’s a time things have to happen not orchestrated by coaches.

[easmus]

Then I damn well hope the coaches know who the knuckleheads are and cut them no matter who they are as soon as is legal and bench them immediately.