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Post by Yotes on Nov 10, 2019 10:07:28 GMT -6
YF, no worries. It seemed very out of character for you to question another poster like that, but that's how I read it so that's where I went with it. I have no doubt it was a simple misunderstanding.
You always make excellent points in your posts and provide great insight. The investment in the program is in a different universe than it was 5 years ago and is still progressing, but honestly that isn't relevant to whatever is wrong with this football team. What exactly that problem is is anyone's guess. You're closer and will know better, but it's clearly an internal problem that has nothing to do with investments or the talent we can recruit with them. Any recent failures just feel worse in light of them.
It troubles me that you describe Bob as being mystified at how the season has gone. I'm not sure it's all that different from how last season went. The common catch all over the past several years has been leadership. Only when we had Streveler lighting it up and getting after all his teammates has this team been successful. A lack of leadership could explain wildly inconsistent performances. If that's the problem, then why is it so hard for this program to produce strong leaders? Is it a culture problem? Does it stem from the assistants? Why is it so difficult to get these guys to play with pride every single game? Please correct me if you think I'm barking up the wrong tree.
Bob's contract gives him time to figure this one out, and some relief from a hot seat while he works on it. I hope he does it. Following this program has been tiring the past two years, but I'll always be there and dragging whoever I can to the games. It gets a lot harder to find those people when the product often disappoints like it has. Still, I'll be in the stands whenever possible cheering until everyone around me is sick of it.
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Post by bobo on Nov 10, 2019 11:55:09 GMT -6
Why not focus on the good things that happened yesterday and more important during the week to get yesterday's result, instead of crabbing and moaning about what has not gone well. Frustrating, Yes. Obviously, there was some type of soul searching and communication going on to to turn out a terrific performance by the team/coaches and some tremendous plays being made on the field on both sides of the ball. I would say that the future looks quite bright with some of those key plays being made by young players, especially that TD catch in the back of the endzone by that freshman receiver, the OL and the way the defense played over all.
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 10, 2019 12:11:24 GMT -6
Why not focus on the good things that happened yesterday and more important during the week to get yesterday's result, instead of crabbing and moaning about what has not gone well. Frustrating, Yes. Obviously, there was some type of soul searching and communication going on to to turn out a terrific performance by the team/coaches and some tremendous plays being made on the field on both sides of the ball. I would say that the future looks quite bright with some of those key plays being made by young players, especially that TD catch in the back of the endzone by that freshman receiver, the OL and the way the defense played over all. This 112% |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 10, 2019 12:52:19 GMT -6
Why not focus on the good things that happened yesterday and more important during the week to get yesterday's result, instead of crabbing and moaning about what has not gone well. Frustrating, Yes. Obviously, there was some type of soul searching and communication going on to to turn out a terrific performance by the team/coaches and some tremendous plays being made on the field on both sides of the ball. I would say that the future looks quite bright with some of those key plays being made by young players, especially that TD catch in the back of the endzone by that freshman receiver, the OL and the way the defense played over all. The offensive line has been a very pleasant surprise all year and I could not believe that Carter Bell catch. I don't know how we keep coming into such great receivers. It's absurd. |
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Post by lakesbison on Nov 10, 2019 23:30:46 GMT -6
sdsu hilarious folks, thinking they are on par with NDSU.
usd is much closer to sdsu than sdsu is closer to NDSU.
Football does drive the bus, good on usd for seeing that. That's step #1. fundraising and culture are #2 and #3.
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Post by nccyote on Nov 11, 2019 10:50:07 GMT -6
I was absent for awhile from this board because of frustration with the last few years. As a former player, it has been tough to see our struggles while it seems our rivals just continue to improve. This season i had a lot of hope, and I got negative when things didn't go the way I believed they would. Like YF stated earlier, things can be darkest because the dawn. What I saw this last Saturday gives me renewed hope in where this program is going. Do I wish we could see that every week, absolutely. But at least we see the potential this staff has recruited and what we can do when we execute and play well. Like I said in the YSU thread, we have the talent to beat anybody in the country right now. We couldn't say that 5 years ago. Yes, we beat NDSU that one time, and it shocked everybody because we had no business beating that team. Right now, we have the talent to not only compete, but beat anybody we line up against. The biggest hurdle right now is consistency and execution.
These next 2 weeks are going to be huge for creating momentum for next year. Do we need to win both, no. It would be great if we did, but more than anything we need to compete and execute and show that we have the ability to be a factor in the MVFC. I don't want to have a defeatist attitude, but right now competing against NDSU and a win at home over sdsu would be a successful end of the season for me. Add that to the anticipation of the new football facilities and the dome renovation next year and we have a recipe for some renewed excitement going into next season. It's been mentioned before, building a football program is a process. Its taking longer than some would like, but these would be some big steps forward in creating some positive momentum for our program and fan base.
Go Yotes
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Post by elcoyote on Nov 11, 2019 12:27:37 GMT -6
I have to give Nielson credit for having the team ready to go against YSU. My thought going into the game was that if we came out and laid another uninspired egg that he had completely lost this team. Fortunately that didn't happen so that thought becomes a moot point and hopefully we can carry this momentum into the last few games of the season. There are many opinions out there about Nielson's coaching ability both on this board and out in the public's eye. Some remain convinced that Nielson is the guy, others are not and some swing from week to week depending on the result of the game and that's fine, to each his own. I don't think anyone on here ever wishes for the 'Yotes to get the crap kicked out of them just to make a point. If people have enough interest to be engaged here, I would imagine that they would not want anything but the best outcome for the football team, or any USD team for that matter. We only have nine seniors on this year's squad, but next season the "birthdays" excuse is gone once and for all as the classes will finally balance out. I still don't understand the consistently inconsistent play of this team, how we can look top ten one week and then nothing for a game or two, but here's to hoping that problem can be solved. Patience is running thin in many fan circles though and it's easy to understand why. I'm convinced Nielson is a good man and I admire his integrity, illustrated by the way he handled that fiasco two seasons ago. I'm also sure he knows football and know how to coach. But so far he has not done a good job of engaging or creating excitement and trust among the fanbase. That's a foundation that really needs to improve. He's seen by many as cold and indifferent which is most likely a total misconception, but it's out there. Some will disagree with this based on their own personal interactions, but, as I said, it's out there and hopefully can be changed. We all hope football can turn the corner for good and everything has been put in place to make this happen. These next two games will be telling, hopefully for the positive, and that, in turn, leads to a successful 2020 season. It will have been a long wait.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 12, 2019 15:37:33 GMT -6
so i have read about some peoples frustrations on why this program just cant get it together.
A program is only going to be as strong as the people around it expect it to be. There is really no pressure from any direction for things to improve. the fans, admin, etc just have too small of expectations.
my point is proven with the general feeling of the Joe Glenn era. There are way too many people that cannot seperate their feelings of Joe with objectivity. Many people consider it a successful era despite a 6-26 conference record. people made far too many excuses to accept his results despite and abysmal record.
People say Bob Nielson knows how to coach. He did at the D2 level but has yet to prove at a high FCS level that he can recreate it. I was concerned with his age a bit from the beginning. He isnt getting better just older. Remember when people were calling me out for suggesting Deboer. All he is doing now is kicking ass as Indiana OC. he was younger with upside but no one took him seriously.
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Post by wrj on Nov 12, 2019 16:13:42 GMT -6
CF, I was thinking about you a few days ago, wondering how you have been. It's good to see you back, my friend.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 12, 2019 16:39:38 GMT -6
so i have read about some peoples frustrations on why this program just cant get it together. A program is only going to be as strong as the people around it expect it to be. There is really no pressure from any direction for things to improve. the fans, admin, etc just have too small of expectations. my point is proven with the general feeling of the Joe Glenn era. There are way too many people that cannot seperate their feelings of Joe with objectivity. Many people consider it a successful era despite a 6-26 conference record. people made far too many excuses to accept his results despite and abysmal record. People say Bob Nielson knows how to coach. He did at the D2 level but has yet to prove at a high FCS level that he can recreate it. I was concerned with his age a bit from the beginning. He isnt getting better just older. Remember when people were calling me out for suggesting Deboer. All he is doing now is kicking ass as Indiana OC. he was younger with upside but no one took him seriously. Disagree with you on the bolded part. If there was no pressure there would not be pages of people posting here calling for coaching changes. There is plenty of pressure to put a contender on the field. |
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Post by notkiotees on Nov 12, 2019 16:45:04 GMT -6
I I I me me me.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 12, 2019 16:52:04 GMT -6
CF, I was thinking about you a few days ago, wondering how you have been. It's good to see you back, my friend. You don't want us to have anything nice, do you? |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 12, 2019 16:58:56 GMT -6
so i have read about some peoples frustrations on why this program just cant get it together. A program is only going to be as strong as the people around it expect it to be. There is really no pressure from any direction for things to improve. the fans, admin, etc just have too small of expectations. my point is proven with the general feeling of the Joe Glenn era. There are way too many people that cannot seperate their feelings of Joe with objectivity. Many people consider it a successful era despite a 6-26 conference record. people made far too many excuses to accept his results despite and abysmal record. People say Bob Nielson knows how to coach. He did at the D2 level but has yet to prove at a high FCS level that he can recreate it. I was concerned with his age a bit from the beginning. He isnt getting better just older. Remember when people were calling me out for suggesting Deboer. All he is doing now is kicking ass as Indiana OC. he was younger with upside but no one took him seriously. Yes, let's talk more about Joe Glenn a full five years after he retired. If anything the common opinion on him should be better than before now that we saw what he did without the investments the program has made since. Even the reigning MVFC coach of the year hasn't been able to find success here in the time since. How is life at the other board you set up? |
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Post by gopheryote on Nov 12, 2019 20:09:56 GMT -6
Yes, let's talk more about Joe Glenn a full five years after he retired. If anything the common opinion on him should be better than before now that we saw what he did without the investments the program has made since. Even the reigning MVFC coach of the year hasn't been able to find success here in the time since. How is life at the other board you set up? Relax a bit - YF brought up Glenn, not CF. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 12, 2019 22:17:51 GMT -6
I'll be honest, speaking of Joe Glenn, I thought his teams seemed bigger and more physical. That's something I have noticed in recent years, we don't seem near as physical and imposing. Joe was going down the right path there. I don't think his teams had the skill and athleticism of the current squad. Would love to see a mish mash of the two rosters and philosophies.
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