PFW part 2

[kiyoat]

Just starting the thread so I can start the ORU thread without saying I skipped over this one.


Not much to say for this game, other than, ... It will be great to see our bench players?  Sorry to be so dismissive.  Seeing our bench players get some quality time on the court is actually a huge benefit, and a draw for fans that want to see Macy hit a career high in 3-pointers.  Nice to see the talent of the future starters.

That's all I got.

Massy says 89-45
W Nolan says 86-52

It will be interesting to see how long we keep the starters in.  Although I'm not a big fan of "style points", we are playing for tournament seeding as much as the win.

[elcoyote]

Does margin of victory count for anything in the RPI formula?

[kiyoat]

Jan 23, 2020 14:36:44 GMT -6 elcoyote said:

Does margin of victory count for anything in the RPI formula?

Nope.  Style points only affect the perception of poll voters and committee members.  And stats, I suppose.  Dawn has never been a coach that I've thought of as someone that will run up a score purposefully, for stats or any other reason.  So I'm probably off base in thinking it will be any different this year.

With NDSU and Omaha there was just too high a talent gap.  You can't tell players not to give all they have out there, and even our bench players were widening the point differential in the full last quarter of the NDSU game.  With SDSU, you can't afford to let off the gas on a quality opponent.  Not in this league, with insane arc-shooting.

I'll guess the PFW game will look a lot like the NDSU game.  Hopefully our bench will get a full quarter.

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I'm not sure if the NCAA is applying this equally to the Women's game as I only saw references in the article to the Men's Basketball Committee.  The last sentance of the article only refers to last year: The RPI still will be used by other Division I sports committees, including the Women’s Basketball Committee for the 2018-19 season.

www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-11-26/net-explained-ncaa-adopts-new-college-basketball-ranking


NCAA.COM | DECEMBER 16, 2019
The NET, explained: NCAA adopts new college basketball ranking

This story was originally published Aug. 22, 2018, and has been updated.

The NCAA has developed a new ranking system to replace the RPI as the primary sorting tool for evaluating teams during the Division I men’s basketball season. The new ranking system was approved in late July after months of consultation with the Division I Men’s Basketball Committee, the National Association of Basketball Coaches, top basketball analytics experts and Google Cloud Professional Services.

The NCAA Evaluation Tool, which will be known as the NET, relies on game results, strength of schedule, game location, scoring margin, net offensive and defensive efficiency, and the quality of wins and losses. To make sense of team performance data, late-season games (including from the NCAA tournament) were used as test sets to develop a ranking model leveraging machine learning techniques. The model, which used team performance data to predict the outcome of games in test sets, was optimized until it was as accurate as possible. The resulting model is the one that will be used as the NET going forward.

The NET was built to create a ranking system that was as accurate as possible while also evaluating team performance fairly. To ensure fairness, certain types of data were omitted from the model. Of key importance, game date and order were omitted to give equal importance to both early and late-season games. In addition, a cap of 10 points was applied to the winning margin to prevent rankings from encouraging unsportsmanlike play, such as needlessly running up the score in a game where the outcome was certain.

“What has been developed is a contemporary method of looking at teams analytically, using results-based and predictive metrics that will assist the Men’s Basketball Committee as it reviews games throughout the season,” said Dan Gavitt, senior vice president of basketball for the NCAA. “While no perfect rankings exist, using the results of past tournaments will help ensure that the rankings are built on an objective source of truth.”

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Found it here: www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/di-women-s-basketball-committee-elects-chairs-2019-21

The committee also conducted its annual summer assessment of the Ratings Percentage Index system, noting that the RPI will remain the sole provider of supplemental data for the evaluation of teams for at-large selection and seeding of the 2020 championship bracket. The committee also will take the next steps toward the possible use of NET for the start of the 2020-21 season. Steps include the analysis of women’s basketball statistical data over multiple years to build a women’s basketball algorithm that includes game results, strength of schedule, game location, scoring margin and net efficiency (offensive efficiency minus defensive efficiency).

[kiyoat]

Jan 23, 2020 15:36:10 GMT -6 @bristolpirate said:

Found it here: www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/di-women-s-basketball-committee-elects-chairs-2019-21

The committee also conducted its annual summer assessment of the Ratings Percentage Index system, noting that the RPI will remain the sole provider of supplemental data for the evaluation of teams for at-large selection and seeding of the 2020 championship bracket. The committee also will take the next steps toward the possible use of NET for the start of the 2020-21 season. Steps include the analysis of women’s basketball statistical data over multiple years to build a women’s basketball algorithm that includes game results, strength of schedule, game location, scoring margin and net efficiency (offensive efficiency minus defensive efficiency).

good find!  I wasn't aware of WBB considering this.

IIRC, the NET's "margin of victory" metric is capped at 10 points.  So winning by 35 points is the same as by 10 points.

I'm not sure I know if this benefits USD or not.  Traditionally, the RPI was better for P-5 teams than mid-majors, ..... but the way that top mid-majors can manipulate the RPI with SOS (Like our WBB team does) will change as well.  I guess we will have to see.  I'm in favor of a change.

[elcoyote]

All really good info. Thanks you two!

[kiyoat]

[kiyoat]

I think PFW's coach Williams is a decent coach. She has shown that in the past. They just don't have the horses this year. A bunch of transfers in the wake of the "scandal" last year has depleted their talent, I think. They certainly have the possibility to make things interesting in this game, but I'd bet against it.

If she can get some wins in the transfer market next year, they might be able to get some positive momentum, but at that point they will be members of the Horizon, so it really doesn't affect us anymore.

[Coyote Fan]

Dawn Plitzuweit in the pre game interview showed just what a perfectionist that she is. I remember when she first came to Vermillion her goal was to have the team continue to get better and better like it was a journey. Of course every coach would say that but she focused on practice to practice and game to game. Like every moments of practice was to be cherished. She was not kidding. This program just keeps raising their own bar higher and higher.

It's anyone's guess how ugly this one will get. It's not a question IF it will be Ugly but HOW ugly it will get. I am referring to nothing but the margin of victory. What are the odds of PFW winning today. I would have to say probably 200 to 1. How about 101-54.

[Coyote Fan]

Just an oberservation

after 1 quarter NDSU 13-12 over the Jacks, they had an 8 point lead not long ago.

after 1 quarter USD 27-4 over the Dons.

It is very apparent that the Coyotes motor is much higher octane than the Jacks engine. The Jacks look lackidasical for much of the first quarter. It is not just about talent but about effort. The Coyotes don't take anyone for granted. They could have just shown up and gone through the motions but they choose not to. This is a very special team and I will not take it for granted even though the future look white hot bright.

[yote18]

I don’t think it’ll hit 100. I’m gonna guess a final score of 87-42.

[Coyote Fan]

Jan 24, 2020 19:30:47 GMT -6 yote18 said:

I don’t think it’ll hit 100. I’m gonna guess a final score of 87-42.

They are on pace for 104 at this point. The Bison won't go away up 37-34 halfway through the third over the Jacks. Did the beat down in Vermillion affect their psyche. I am kind of glad the Yotes are done with Fargo now. They made the Bison look like a high school team and the Jacks are making them look like a pretty good mid major club. I have never seen a SDSU Women's team so tentative.

[Coyote Fan]

The most important part of the game is the number 25. Are you kidding me, especially with all the scrub time. The Coyotes score doesn't really even matter.

[Yotes]

What is it about women's basketball where these types of blowouts are kind of common? You would absolutely never see a 54-point margin in a conference game in the men's game. I understand that this is a nationally ranked team playing probably one who probably has a 300+ RPI, but even considering that this seems excessive.