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Post by kiyoat on Feb 15, 2021 11:02:58 GMT -6
about the NET/RPI rankings: Looks like USD/SDSU are holding steady in the NET and gradually backsliding in the RPI, as I expected.
As for the rest of the teams, i can't make heads or tails of which ranking makes more sense. There is quite a bit of disparity between the rankings. Hopefully we will have more clarity by the end of the season, with less movement up and down.
I think that the current ORU team is miles better than the early season team with an injured Kenni Jo Lippe. WIU just swept the Denver series, and continue to be an erratic enigma.
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Post by yote18 on Feb 15, 2021 11:12:09 GMT -6
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 15, 2021 13:24:57 GMT -6
Strange. You are correct, though. I wonder why my link was different? Well having the Jacks favored makes more sense.
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Post by yote18 on Feb 15, 2021 13:43:49 GMT -6
Strange. You are correct, though. I wonder why my link was different? Well having the Jacks favored makes more sense. It is strange, I did also see the bracket you were referring to by Creme. Not sure what’s up between the two since he wrote both. But what is interesting is that they still have USD in it either way. How much of that has to do with some name recognition from last season combined with the net and this seasons results? Cause I will admit we don’t really have the resume, IMO, for an at large. We can be discouraged about games being too close or losing to state, but our program is finally in a good position where we also are a constant presence on these sorts of things. Granted it’s not the final outcome, but it shows they’re paying attention and watching. Now if only our conference could step things up a bit. |
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Post by gopheryote on Feb 16, 2021 12:29:59 GMT -6
ESPN updated braketology after the top 16 reveal last night. www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/30423107/women-bracketology-brackets-all-shapes-sizesHas the Yotes as an at-large #9 seed. (Also has the Yotes as an at-large if there was a 48-team tourney.) I'll admit Charlie Creme knows more about this than me, but I don't see it. I see a ACC team who is 7-9 in the conference getting in before the Yotes - not that it is deserved, but just my level of confidence in how these things work. And I'd have the same thoughts if USD didn't fall asleep for the last two minutes of the SDSU game. It may be too early to read into it (especially since I'm so cynical about it), but as of today I wonder what this would mean for scheduling strategy going forward? SDSU and USD are pretty close in all the non-human rankings - close enough that most computers would consider a neutral site game a toss-up. One played almost all of its key games at home, one played none of them at home - obviously including two games against each other. If you go by the brackets today, scheduling harder appears to truly help, as a 'good loss' doesn't hut as much as it does in human polls. But it also changes what a 'good win' means, since where you play it matters more (USD isn't a 'good win' for SDSU). Though SDSU caught a bit of a luck break having the State-U games both in Brookings, it seems like both strategies may be working this year (again, I'm skeptical). |
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 16, 2021 14:32:13 GMT -6
Good catch! Looks like Creme now has the Jacks as a 6-seed, up from 8. That would put them in a great position. That's basically where we were projected as last March.......*sad emoji*
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 22, 2021 9:12:23 GMT -6
2/15/21 Monday NET-------------RPI34 USD--------- 27 SDSU38 SDSU------- 66 USD107 NDSU--------------- ----------------- 188 NDSU228 WIU-------243 KC 234 Denver--- 261 ORU236 KC---------266 WIU 244 UND-------274 Omaha 258 Omaha----288 UND 263 ORU------- 293 Denver2/22/21 Monday NET-------------RPI35 USD-------- 19 SDSU40 SDSU------ 73 USD107 NDSU--------------- ---------------- 190 NDSU227 KC-------- 259 ORU230 WIU------262 KC 242 Denver---263 WIU 252 Omaha---282 Denver 253 UND------285 Omaha 259 ORU-----320 UND |
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 22, 2021 9:36:20 GMT -6
on the NET/RPI rankings:
Shockingly, SDSU seems to be getting a big bump in the RPI for beating the best non-SD Summit team on the road. I wouldn't have predicted that big of a bump. It's getting close to the end of the season, so maybe that high RPI is going to hold up for them after all.
If the tournament was seeded today using exclusively the RPI, the Jacks would be a #5 seed, the Yotes would be a top 1/2 WNIT team and the Bison wouldn't get postseason. Sorry, but I don't buy that. The Bison in the WNIT would be a threat to win some games IMHO, and we should at least be considered a bubble team.
I like where the NET is placing the two SD teams (30-40), but probably reverse the two teams' rankings. The NET is at least a little closer to reality. Just needs a little tweaking. Maybe they need to weight the "Net Efficiency" a little less.
Here is an interesting comparison: ORU is nationally ranked the same in both polls (#259), but is at the bottom of the Summit in the NET, and at #4 in the Summit in the RPI. The rest of the teams are in exactly the same order.
To me that is a good illustration of how the RPI disenfranchises mid-major conferences. So I wouldn't want to go back to it.
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Post by gopheryote on Feb 22, 2021 12:18:21 GMT -6
on the NET/RPI rankings: Shockingly, SDSU seems to be getting a big bump in the RPI for beating the best non-SD Summit team on the road. I wouldn't have predicted that big of a bump. It's getting close to the end of the season, so maybe that high RPI is going to hold up for them after all. If the tournament was seeded today using exclusively the RPI, the Jacks would be a #5 seed, the Yotes would be a top 1/2 WNIT team and the Bison wouldn't get postseason. Sorry, but I don't buy that. The Bison in the WNIT would be a threat to win some games IMHO, and we should at least be considered a bubble team. I like where the NET is placing the two SD teams (30-40), but probably reverse the two teams' rankings. The NET is at least a little closer to reality. Just needs a little tweaking. Maybe they need to weight the "Net Efficiency" a little less. Here is an interesting comparison: ORU is nationally ranked the same in both polls (#259), but is at the bottom of the Summit in the NET, and at #4 in the Summit in the RPI. The rest of the teams are in exactly the same order. To me that is a good illustration of how the RPI disenfranchises mid-major conferences. So I wouldn't want to go back to it. Though the SDSU fans who read this board will think I'm trolling them, I keep thinking this SDSU team is a lot like the USD team that went undefeated in SL a few years ago. They both just seem to win, but not often because they were just dominant - just seemed to win close ones and generally over-achieve a bit as a group. So I wondered what the Massey ratings from that year were: USD 56; SDSU 41. So, even after beating them twice during the season (both road and home), USD was quite a bit behind SDSU. Seems like what is happening this year (undefeated conference, ranked below a team you beat twice). Just another similarity between the teams. |
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 23, 2021 11:51:20 GMT -6
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Post by seayote on Feb 23, 2021 13:43:26 GMT -6
Has it been confirmed that SDSU has likely lost two starters for the season? I haven't read it anywhere, but have heard it from multiple sources. They both played last Friday, but not Saturday.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 23, 2021 13:48:15 GMT -6
Has it been confirmed that SDSU has likely lost two starters for the season? I haven't read it anywhere, but have heard it from multiple sources. They both played last Friday, but not Saturday. . Zimmer tweeted it. No official statement yet afaik. |
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Post by announcerbob on Feb 23, 2021 15:47:48 GMT -6
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Feb 23, 2021 15:56:16 GMT -6
They sent Nelson back into the game for a minute or so in the first half after she hyperextended her knee before shutting her down. It looked like it could have been really bad but I could see her coming back from it.
There is almost no way that Selland's isn't a blown ACL. Like 99.9999 percent she's done, which is too damn bad.
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Post by announcerbob on Feb 23, 2021 16:03:03 GMT -6
I do feel bad for Selland, she has had her fair share of injuries. I wish I could get some word on Arens and Watson for this year! I haven't heard a peep. Has anyone?
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