steelsd
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Post by steelsd on Jan 23, 2022 16:40:22 GMT -6
Who gives a holy hell if a team runs up the score on a bad opponent? Our WBB team could put up 100 on several SL teams on any given night. I don't think we gain much as a team from doing that, but again who cares? I trust Dawn to get the players the minutes they need. If AJ wants to play his starters deep into the second half, have fun. We know who the better team is and it's been proven time and again over the past few years. Running up the score on a bottom dweller doesn't change that. Weren’t you behind at the half at home to that “bottom dweller?” And the answer to your question is yote18 cares.
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steelsd
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Post by steelsd on Jan 23, 2022 16:41:44 GMT -6
Well, your lack of comprehension about my making a post related to the actual subject posted seems like a thing you need to figure out yourself. That makes no sense at all. No, you certainly don’t.
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Post by oldhare on Jan 23, 2022 17:09:13 GMT -6
I like how you look at things. Don't you remember when USD beat UND 85-46? Lamb- 30 minutes (average 32 minutes.game) Krull- 31 minutes (average 32 minutes/game) Korngable- 26 minutes (average 32 minutes/game) Watson- 24 minutes (average 26 minutes/game) Sjerven- 23 minutes (average 24 minutes/game) Nelson (24) and Irwin (23) played the most minutes for SDSU and they played as many minutes as USD's fewest minutes for a starter. SDSU played the last players off the bench 8, 8, 8, 8 and 9 minutes. USD's last players off the bench played 2, 3, 5, 5 and 7 minutes. Burkhard played 4.5 minutes less than she normally plays. That is just about half of a quarter and about 80% of her normal minutes. According to your calculations, Korngable was the only USD player that played less than her normal minutes. I know that SDSU won by more than 39 but I would think that should be a big enough margin to play USD's bench more, too. SDSU has scored at least 71 points in 10 of their last 11 games. The only game they scored less than 71 points was when USD shut them down. USD held them to 42 points. That was a combination of USD's great defense and SDSU having an off night. USD is just that much better than the other teams SDSU has played in that stretch. Unfortunately, you are preaching to the choir. Rather than defending the minutes and margin, this board was commenting around that time about it being too many minutes for the starters. It was Oldhare who tried to make it look like the regulars didn't play much for SDSU, implying minutes were appropriately shared.
And though we all get the negatives, I know I was generally happier with the Denver game, where it was out of hand early, and the regulars sat (and Denver shaved ~20 points off the lead). Thank you pointing out that AJ is not allowing his starters to play but an average of 123 minutes/game. I thought 107 minutes was conservative, but only 16% cutback. It is not quite in the ballpark of calling AJ out for running up the score, but the teams that are being shellacked in the Summit may have some needs for improving. Players need to stay or get into game condition on every team. Meanwhile, I am trying to figure out why AJ does not play starters up to 35 minutes on a regular basis. February 5 is not likely going to be an argument over playing time for starters and unlikely discussion of running up the score.
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 23, 2022 17:28:44 GMT -6
Rather than cherry picking individual games a more comprehensive review would probably yield more accurate results…. But I’m not going to waste my time on such a petty project.
If I had to guess, id say that both teams probably are playing starters a little bit longer than they did when the RPI was used. There are a ton of factors that affect it besides wanting a good scoring margin, though. Like Oldhare and others have mentioned, keeping starters in a rhythm, working on schemes in a way you just can’t in a practice scrimmage, etc. who knows.
I think both coaches know what the stakes are, and that the three in-state matchups is what to prepare for, and stay healthy for. Overworked starters can be a limitation too. Let them decide what is worth it. They probably have a better idea than us knuckleheads.
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 23, 2022 17:38:56 GMT -6
Although I do enjoy these nonsensical d@ck measuring contests that are usually set in motion by triggered rabbit fans responding to the “jack signal” when any perceived slight occurs. Predictable.
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Post by fightsd on Jan 23, 2022 18:07:40 GMT -6
Who gives a holy hell if a team runs up the score on a bad opponent? Our WBB team could put up 100 on several SL teams on any given night. I don't think we gain much as a team from doing that, but again who cares? I trust Dawn to get the players the minutes they need. If AJ wants to play his starters deep into the second half, have fun. We know who the better team is and it's been proven time and again over the past few years. Running up the score on a bottom dweller doesn't change that. Weren’t you behind at the half at home to that “bottom dweller?” And the answer to your question is yote18 cares. Yes. And we still won. Do state fans care about halftime scores? I guess I'm more interested in the W-L column.
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yote18
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Post by yote18 on Jan 23, 2022 19:12:03 GMT -6
Weren’t you behind at the half at home to that “bottom dweller?” And the answer to your question is yote18 cares. I don’t necessarily care since I haven’t posted on it nearly as much as you. But being ahead 40 at half time and deciding to not throw in the the deep bench players is kind of a questionable call. The entire team had confidence by that point and WIU was already just going through the motions so I doubt the lead would’ve slipped away very much. But like others have said every coach is different, dawn likes to leave starters in and work others off the bench to fix issues she notices and AJ wants to build confidence. Sorry board didn’t know a comment about running up the score would cause such an outcry, I’ll be sure to fast and ask the jackrabbit gods for forgiveness.
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Post by elcoyote on Jan 23, 2022 19:12:25 GMT -6
Although I do enjoy these nonsensical d@ck measuring contests that are usually set in motion by triggered rabbit fans responding to the “jack signal” when any perceived slight occurs. Predictable. They certainly have the thinnest skins imaginable. Just imagine the reception if one of our posters went over on their board to try and inform them of the errors of their ways. It would be entertaining although I'm pretty sure said USD poster would be banned for life and possibly be subject to arrest and prosecution.
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Post by announcerbob on Jan 23, 2022 19:31:28 GMT -6
I have to completely disagree with you elcoyote on you comment about arrest and prosecution. It is pretty clear they do not do either of those things in JackLand!!!
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Post by Coyote Fan on Jan 23, 2022 21:22:06 GMT -6
Right now the Coyotes have the edge in the regular season Summit play as well as head to head. The Jacks used to have the bid edge at the Summit tourney but because the Coyotes have won the last two I now consider that even. The Jacks do have a decided edge in their NCAA tourney play.
I think the programs are close but I do give the edge to the Coyotes over the past few years. Probably starting with the WNIT championship.
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 28, 2022 10:59:29 GMT -6
Right now I'd go with: 1. USD 2. SDSU 3. UND 4-8 ? 9A Omaha 9B Denver 1. USD 2. SDSU - - 3-8 ? 9A Omaha 9B Denver my thoughts at the moment. I think the middle tier are capable of an upset over the SD teams if the conditions are right, .... but it isn't likely. Next week's title bout should be closer than the previous one, and will be "championship match #2 of 3". Must-see.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 3, 2022 11:38:06 GMT -6
Reaching the Summit: WBB Podcast new episode:
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 4, 2022 12:22:33 GMT -6
Last night eight teams played, and there seems to be a middle and bottom tier forming:
1. USD 2. SDSU - 3T KC 3T UND 5T ORU 5T NDSU - 7T WIU 7T UST 9T Denver 9T Omaha
(remember, this is a power poll. #3 through #6 are not actually tied. 7th and 9th are, though.) The middle tier teams all beat the bottom tier teams yesterday. The Jacks can tie it up at the top tomorrow, or the Yotes can pull away.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 10, 2022 16:48:41 GMT -6
Another Reaching The Summit WBB podcast is out (They release one every thursday).
There is an interview with Cobbins and Collins from NDSU that is pretty good. OTOH, if you'd like to listen to Jacks or Yotes coverage, .... don't bother. There is literally zero mention of either program outside of Collins saying the SCSC is his favorite arena, and Cobbins naming Frost.
I get it that just focusing on just those two programs would likely be unfair to the rest of the league, and could turn off those fans, ... but no discussion whatsoever of the two elite programs in the league (that have the largest followings)? I guess I'd call that an over-correction. That would be like a WCC podcast refraining from discussing Gonzaga and BYU, or an MVC podcast not bothering to discuss Missouri State or Northern Iowa.
Sorry, I know this is a volunteer effort. Just disappointing to me. I wanted a little discussion of the big USD/SDSU game and it's aftermath/ implications. I'd guess a lot of others would have liked that as well.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 11, 2022 2:40:48 GMT -6
Cobbins is getting the best arena confused with the best fans in an arena. The Jacks likely have the best basketball fans in the league. The Coyotes arguably have the best arena in the league.
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