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Post by fightsd on Nov 27, 2021 22:11:12 GMT -6
Maybe everyone else already knew, but when I looked at the 2-deep on defense, I was repeatedly saying 'who the #$%! is this guy'. Getting banged up is one thing, but I felt like nearly half the defense didn't see the field until the last week or two. But you have to give SIU credit - when they needed 9 yards on third down, they got 9.5. We couldn't get them off the field in the first half and that too our offense completely out of rhythm. They did to us what we had done to a number of teams this year. I think everyone is giving their offense too much credit. They had 1 legitimate touchdown drive today. The first one on a penalty I've never heard of before. Otherwise our defense never really broke. We bent, but we should be able to win games giving up 22 points. |
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Post by easmus on Nov 27, 2021 22:22:15 GMT -6
The Yotes once again just don't appear ready to play. They kind of just look happy to be here. One of the weaknesses all year has been the ability to pass downfield. They need to work on that in the off season. Today nothing is working on O at all. It seems like the line play has been so so as well. Luckily it is far from over. We were getting whatever we wanted on the first drive until the weird pick. Then it all went downhill. Every time we get something going there's a flag on the field, or lack there of even there clearly should have been one Opening pick, CVE stopped on his route & Camp didn’t know he was gonna stop. It appeared he stopped because he was gonna get hammered…he still got popped but also became an INT. Camp probably shouldn’t throw him into a huge hit but also tough to stop on a route like that. |
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Post by easmus on Nov 27, 2021 22:28:11 GMT -6
I agree that we improved greatly and have the foundation to continue to improve, but I honestly don't know what you mean that the better team didn't win. They pushed us around all game long. That's our next step. We turned the ball over 4 times today. Unforced turnovers. That was difference in the game. They ran the ball better than we did but that wasn't the difference in the game. I'm comparing this loss to the game we played with ISUr in the spring. They gave us 6 turnovers and that was why we won. We did the same thing to SIU today. Take away those picks and we win going away. I am not sure if I would call them unforced turnovers. Our OL got owned today. We couldn’t block their front 4, and they were stopping the run pretty well. So then we were in off schedule situations a lot and we couldn’t pass protect at all. Their DL had our OL on skates. Camp was under a lot of pressure. |
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Post by easmus on Nov 27, 2021 22:33:07 GMT -6
Maybe everyone else already knew, but when I looked at the 2-deep on defense, I was repeatedly saying 'who the #$%! is this guy'. Getting banged up is one thing, but I felt like nearly half the defense didn't see the field until the last week or two. But you have to give SIU credit - when they needed 9 yards on third down, they got 9.5. We couldn't get them off the field in the first half and that too our offense completely out of rhythm. They did to us what we had done to a number of teams this year. I think everyone is giving their offense too much credit. They had 1 legitimate touchdown drive today. The first one on a penalty I've never heard of before. Otherwise our defense never really broke. We bent, but we should be able to win games giving up 22 points. That’s exactly right. This game was hardly on the defense. They were down to some 4th stringers in the secondary. But the offensive inability to sustain any drives gassed the defense. At one point in the 1st half, the TOP was 16:8 in favor of SIU. Final was 35:25. |
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Post by fightsd on Nov 27, 2021 22:33:10 GMT -6
We turned the ball over 4 times today. Unforced turnovers. That was difference in the game. They ran the ball better than we did but that wasn't the difference in the game. I'm comparing this loss to the game we played with ISUr in the spring. They gave us 6 turnovers and that was why we won. We did the same thing to SIU today. Take away those picks and we win going away. I am not sure if I would call them unforced turnovers. Our OL got owned today. We couldn’t block their front 4, and they were stopping the run pretty well. So the. We were in off schedule situations a lot and we couldn’t pass protect at all. Their DL had our OL on skates. Camp was under a lot of pressure. He was definitely under a lot of pressure, but that's not really what caused the picks. They were just bad throws. None of them were particularly impressive defensive plays, we just kinda threw the ball to them. |
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Post by easmus on Nov 27, 2021 22:34:20 GMT -6
On the pick he was going to Samson, that was definitely a bad read. He just predetermined he was going there.
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Post by easmus on Nov 27, 2021 22:35:44 GMT -6
I told my 1st grade son today, I said this game will be different. Playoff games are different because the level of play is going to jump up a notch, because everybody is good. And we know SIU is good. And they were definitely on point tonight.
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Post by logicfan on Nov 27, 2021 22:52:23 GMT -6
The streak continues of teams losing the week after playing NDSU.
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Post by obc on Nov 27, 2021 23:03:04 GMT -6
The streak continues of teams losing the week after playing NDSU. Not factually accurate. YSU just routed SIU the final regular season game of the year and the week prior played NDSU. Missouri St and Illinois St also won the week after playing NDSU. Yes, sometimes teams lose after playing NDSU the week prior, but does the data point to it being higher than average for any of the other top half MVFC teams? I doubt it. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 27, 2021 23:04:40 GMT -6
The streak continues of teams losing the week after playing NDSU. It has merit and is a trend. The Coyotes we're never the same team after the hail Mary. The hunger just didn't seem there. They may have claimed differently but the onfield play just wasn't there. The team just went through the motions tonight and did not have playoff intensity. It was a really good year. Next year the schedule is brutal. Kstate, poly and Montana in the non con. The 2 teams that the Yotes don't play are w I'll and ind st. It will be difficult for sure. |
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Post by bobo on Nov 28, 2021 10:12:47 GMT -6
Let’s give SIU credit where credit is due. They were the better team today and executed the plays that were called offensively and did a good job of controlling the line of scrimmage defensively. Look at the stats of that game and they tell a story. SIU’s best players touched the ball the majority of the snaps and defensively they minimized any gains we made or waited on our QB to make multiple mistakes and he sure did that. Not going to win very many games that way.
This team is talented and can fill some graduation defensive gaps through the transfer portal or hope they have developed the next starter at LB. Their major needs are defensive tackle and adding depth and a couple of big physical run stoppers inside.
To be 100% honest, if they stay with the same offensive style, they need to move away from Camp and go with a more mobile guy who is a true dual threat. If they are going to adapt their offense to him, then tailor it to his strengths. Move the pocket more and design concepts that are not full field reads.
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Post by easmus on Nov 28, 2021 10:57:58 GMT -6
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Post by fightsd on Nov 28, 2021 11:39:48 GMT -6
Let’s give SIU credit where credit is due. They were the better team today and executed the plays that were called offensively and did a good job of controlling the line of scrimmage defensively. Look at the stats of that game and they tell a story. SIU’s best players touched the ball the majority of the snaps and defensively they minimized any gains we made or waited on our QB to make multiple mistakes and he sure did that. Not going to win very many games that way. This team is talented and can fill some graduation defensive gaps through the transfer portal or hope they have developed the next starter at LB. Their major needs are defensive tackle and adding depth and a couple of big physical run stoppers inside. To be 100% honest, if they stay with the same offensive style, they need to move away from Camp and go with a more mobile guy who is a true dual threat. If they are going to adapt their offense to him, then tailor it to his strengths. Move the pocket more and design concepts that are not full field reads. You keep saying they needed to get the best players touches but I feel like we did that. Camp spread the ball around pretty well I thought. You can't just throw it up to Vander Esch every time. And I couldn't disagree more with going away from Camp. We finally have a chance to develop a guy, a 5 year starter. As a freshman, he held his own with the MVFC. The only QB in the conference that was noticeably better than he was is that transfer from MSU, otherwise who would you rather have back there? |
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Post by bobo on Nov 28, 2021 20:32:42 GMT -6
If you think having our RB lead the team in catches on tailback screen plays and our best WR touching the ball 1 time distributing the ball effectively, then we come from a different school of thought on winning games. You NEVER want to walk out of a game you lost and look at the box score only to see that one of your best and most explosive players didn’t get the ball enough to affect the game. So the answer is NO we did not distribute the ball well. Look at the overall team stats for the year and tell me who should have touched the ball.
I never said go away from Camp, I ultimately think he has a nice upside in the right system, what I said was if we aren’t going to adjust the offense to his strengths then go to a dual threat QB, who has the ability to run on designed runs and has the instincts and ability to hurt a defense with his feet. He is a pocket passer with the ability to throw on the run, use that strength. But, he doesn’t see the field well, so minimize his full field reads and most important, get the ball out of his hand quicker cuz he takes too many sacks and hits.
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Post by elcoyote on Nov 28, 2021 22:25:25 GMT -6
If you think having our RB lead the team in catches on tailback screen plays and our best WR touching the ball 1 time distributing the ball effectively, then we come from a different school of thought on winning games. You NEVER want to walk out of a game you lost and look at the box score only to see that one of your best and most explosive players didn’t get the ball enough to affect the game. So the answer is NO we did not distribute the ball well. Look at the overall team stats for the year and tell me who should have touched the ball. I never said go away from Camp, I ultimately think he has a nice upside in the right system, what I said was if we aren’t going to adjust the offense to his strengths then go to a dual threat QB, who has the ability to run on designed runs and has the instincts and ability to hurt a defense with his feet. He is a pocket passer with the ability to throw on the run, use that strength. But, he doesn’t see the field well, so minimize his full field reads and most important, get the ball out of his hand quicker cuz he takes too many sacks and hits. He's a freshman. Do you think he's hit his ceiling already and won't improve as he gains more experience? |
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