fssd
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Post by fssd on May 13, 2023 19:59:59 GMT -6
Again, you know all of this how? If the Dakota’s wanted a team in, they would be in. The MVC component know who butters the bread. Their conference is relevant because of us. And you can’t tell me that the MVC schools don’t know how big of a bone they were thrown to allow Murray State in. Common sense and knowledge of what's happened the past 15 years. Sorry I can't send you a video of Patty V laughing at the notion of throwing the Summit a bone. This problem impacts all of us, not sure why you're going head in the sand about it. The MVC holds all the cards in the MVFC because the Dakota schools have zero leverage. No amount of success is going to change that because it isn't opening any doors. NDSU wins NINE national titles and still find themselves at the mercy of the MVC schools when they decided to invite Murray State. You can't tell me the same grace would be given if the Summit decided to add a member with a football program as bad (and likely worse if they're interested in the Summit) than Murray State. MVC has held schools back from SL on multiple occassions: 1) First try by both SDSU and NDSU - MVC said SDSU only. They had to negotiate for another day to get in as a package deal. 2) UND and USD tried as a package deal and were denied. 3) USD was allowed in only after it looked like the Summit League was going to implode and then they would have the entire SL looking to get into MVC for basketball too. 4) UND tried while as a member of Big Sky and were told No. 5) Finally UND made the move to Summit League without a MVFC invite and played two season as an independent prior to getting into the MVFC. Now, I would say that things are finally turning between MVC and tSL. The MVC is still on top because of basketball but losing Wichita St., Creighton and Loyola of Chicago has hurt them significantly. Plus, you always hear rumors about Missouri St. The MVC has always been centered around St. Louis. But, recently it had become more centered around Chicago. And to be honest both of those cities have some areas of concern. Plus, the State of Illinois (ISU, S. Ill) is going to have some funding issues. Ultimately, the MVC is going to be fine. But there are some things to watch.
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Post by timt89 on May 17, 2023 14:09:36 GMT -6
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Post by nodak651 on May 17, 2023 15:48:24 GMT -6
I don't understand why so many people shit on this league. With IUPUI, IPFW, and now WIU gone, the makeup of the league is actually pretty legit. 4 Flagships and the rest of the schools are in major metro areas. Two well respected privates, ORU which is making a name for itself and has a brand new basketball facility, Omaha which has a great arena and centrally located, and UMKC which is a good school that just announced that they are looking to build a new on campus basketball arena. UMKC and Omaha were also decent enough to be considered by the MVC. This league will become better than the MVC if teams stick around. What conference would DU be invited to that they would actually leave for? Maybe a WCC without BYU or Gonzaga? Have fun with that.
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Post by kiyoat on May 17, 2023 16:55:34 GMT -6
I don't understand why so many people shit on this league. With IUPUI, IPFW, and now WIU gone, the makeup of the league is actually pretty legit. 4 Flagships and the rest of the schools are in major metro areas. Two well respected privates, ORU which is making a name for itself and has a brand new basketball facility, Omaha which has a great arena and centrally located, and UMKC which is a good school that just announced that they are looking to build a new on campus basketball arena. UMKC and Omaha were also decent enough to be considered by the MVC. This league will become better than the MVC if teams stick around. What conference would DU be invited to that they would actually leave for? Maybe a WCC without BYU or Gonzaga? Have fun with that. Nothing new here. The answer is: because they are snobs. Because some people will always think that there is nothing worthwhile in "flyover country" no matter how many championship-level teams and players come out of this area, or attendance records, or first-class events hosted. No matter how many times they are beaten by flyover teams. Because in their minds they are better, and the Great Plains are boring, cold, flat and lesser-than. Same reason the MVC has never seriously considered any of the Dakota schools for full membership. JMO I'm pretty sure Denver would jump at any offer from the WCC... the offer just never comes.
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Post by Yotes on May 18, 2023 11:25:40 GMT -6
I don't understand why so many people shit on this league. With IUPUI, IPFW, and now WIU gone, the makeup of the league is actually pretty legit. 4 Flagships and the rest of the schools are in major metro areas. Two well respected privates, ORU which is making a name for itself and has a brand new basketball facility, Omaha which has a great arena and centrally located, and UMKC which is a good school that just announced that they are looking to build a new on campus basketball arena. UMKC and Omaha were also decent enough to be considered by the MVC. This league will become better than the MVC if teams stick around. What conference would DU be invited to that they would actually leave for? Maybe a WCC without BYU or Gonzaga? Have fun with that. If being in a metro area makes a school attractive then let's get Chicago State. No one else wants them. (I kid). I think the Summit could be something if we had a stronger foundation. It's pretty shaky outside the Dakotas. The other schools all have their eyes elsewhere. A charter member just left. UMKC and ORU already left once. UNO tried joining the MVC and Horizon. Wouldn't be surprised if Denver joined the new WAC or WCC once (if?) Gonzaga leaves. St Thomas will be looking around once they're settled in at D1. So, who would want to be in a league with that kind of uncertainty? Probably not a school with other options.
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Post by GoYotes on May 20, 2023 17:28:59 GMT -6
This video is the archived WIU broadcast of their baseball game on Thursday vs ORU. They interviewed the WIU AD during the broadcast and he had a couple of interesting comments at the 2:32:45 point of the broadcast regarding the Summit League sponsoring both hockey and football: Hockey - "Summit League will be sponsoring hockey before very long; I really believe that" Football - "Summit League will be looking at how they manage football in the future. There is going to be another change coming with that and I think it will be an interesting situation, a scenario to watch for the management of FCS football here in the midwest"
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Post by Yotes on May 21, 2023 11:53:54 GMT -6
This video is the archived WIU broadcast of their baseball game on Thursday vs ORU. They interviewed the WIU AD during the broadcast and he had a couple of interesting comments at the 2:32:45 point of the broadcast regarding the Summit League sponsoring both hockey and football: Hockey - "Summit League will be sponsoring hockey before very long; I really believe that" Football - "Summit League will be looking at how they manage football in the future. There is going to be another change coming with that and I think it will be an interesting situation, a scenario to watch for the management of FCS football here in the midwest" The hockey part surprises me, though I don't follow it much, but I do think football needs to happen. The Summit is so hamstrung by the MVFC. It was a great deal 5-10 years ago to boost the football profile of the Dakotas, but the MVFC is threatening the health of all our other sports. Starting Summit football was a tall task before WIU left though. No idea how we get there now unless it's a bunch of D2 schools coming up.
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Post by Yotes on May 22, 2023 18:29:35 GMT -6
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Post by jmgg on May 22, 2023 21:37:50 GMT -6
I'm not a Zimmer fan, but this was a good article and analysis of the situation. Reading a story from him without any SDSU bias was a treat. Sitting still and doing nothing right now seams like the wise move for the Summit.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on May 23, 2023 11:47:04 GMT -6
Anybody who is a sports fan in this region should be a Zimmer fan. Guy's a gem.
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Post by yote18 on May 23, 2023 15:05:31 GMT -6
As much as some like to give Matt hell his article was pretty spot on for what the current outlook is. He mentions Augie but he also mentioned that they might not have the resources to do full D1 after the current Hockey project. The Minnesota schools don’t have the resources to jump up and I personally don’t think the state would let a second public D1 happen. You could look out west, BHSU would be a cool D2 to D1 transition and would be great Opportunity for rapid city and spearfish to shine but I highly doubt they can afford the jump.
Waiting while keeping an eye out is our best option. The blessing and curse of the summit league is no one wants us as a part of their league so we should be able to remain at 9 unless something really changes in the college landscape.
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Post by kiyoat on May 23, 2023 15:56:59 GMT -6
Well, we can do nothing only to a point. WIU, for all it's faults, still sponsored a bunch of sports that are critical to maintaining the Summit's NCAA auto-bid. What that means is that we probably will need to pick up another affiliate member or two in a men's team sport, like soccer or baseball. I don't know which sport we will have a deficiency in, but I'm pretty sure there will be one.
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Post by jackjd on May 23, 2023 18:03:30 GMT -6
I wonder if there may be greater advantages to having current Summit schools fill in some gaps by starting or re-starting programs. Any chance USD could restart baseball? I think the last varsity baseball team at USD played in the 1970s. The Coyotes had a good tradition in baseball and the Vermillion weather is much more suitable for spring baseball compared to Brookings, Fargo and Grand Forks.
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Post by jmgg on May 23, 2023 19:46:45 GMT -6
I wonder if there may be greater advantages to having current Summit schools fill in some gaps by starting or re-starting programs. Any chance USD could restart baseball? I think the last varsity baseball team at USD played in the 1970s. The Coyotes had a good tradition in baseball and the Vermillion weather is much more suitable for spring baseball compared to Brookings, Fargo and Grand Forks. USD had baseball in the 1970's thru sometime in the 1980's when it was eliminated. It started up again in the 1990's as a club sport and then progressed again as a sanctioned sport in the late 1990's through somewhere in the mid 2000's. I remember being at a coyote tailgate before a football game when the women's SOFTBALL team was selling off all the the baseball uniforms and gear to raise money for THEIR team. I'm not easily offended, but this PISSED ME OFF and I said so right there in the parking lot. Tacky--VERY tacky. Before we can have a baseball team again, we're going to have to decide if we are going to continue to be Title IX compliant or not. We will need to sanction some other women's sport first. Our women's to men's ratio on campus is far different than at SDSU.
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Post by yote18 on May 23, 2023 21:51:12 GMT -6
Well, we can do nothing only to a point. WIU, for all it's faults, still sponsored a bunch of sports that are critical to maintaining the Summit's NCAA auto-bid. What that means is that we probably will need to pick up another affiliate member or two in a men's team sport, like soccer or baseball. I don't know which sport we will have a deficiency in, but I'm pretty sure there will be one. Affiliate is probably our best shot at the moment. I really do wish we could convince a big sky or MVC team to fully jump over to help solidify us a bit. But both are likely to never happen unless some sort of shake up happens. Some mentioned baseball could be a sport USD restarts but idk if we’d have the funds to do so. Unless some corporate and alumni donors really start throwing some cash at us I think it’ll be a tough sell to start another program. The easiest, in terms of facilities, for USD to start would be a men’s soccer team. But again depends on what the league needs and who can afford to shuffle some things around.
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